This is really infuriating. In what world does a competent GM not protect a top 3 or 5 pick at all costs, especially in a trade that you only made to gain cap space? This makes sense if you acquired some young stud. God I really really dislike BT.
In a world where the GM is already looking at potential future GM positions with other organizations after the season and is planning an exit strategy. I think he went all in hoping to have a good season to build his resume, but he already knew the pick conditions wouldn't end up being his problem.
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This is really infuriating. In what world does a competent GM not protect a top 3 or 5 pick at all costs, especially in a trade that you only made to gain cap space? This makes sense if you acquired some young stud. God I really really dislike BT.
Been a time or two i thought he maybe did her purpose.
This is really infuriating. In what world does a competent GM not protect a top 3 or 5 pick at all costs, especially in a trade that you only made to gain cap space? This makes sense if you acquired some young stud. God I really really dislike BT.
You can't protect a top-3 pick at all costs. If you protect it one year, it generally rolls over and becomes an unprotected pick the following year. GMs don't like to accept trades involving a pick that is protected more than once, because their careers might be over by the time their team finally receives it.
Look at the Hanifin trade. The 2025 1st was protected, but since the conditions were met, it becomes a 2026 1st – unprotected.
It takes two to tango. In the circumstances, when Treliving was trying to trade a pick that already had conditions on it, there was a limit to how much BS in the way of additional conditions the Habs were willing to accept. I think the trade probably reached that limit exactly, because I've never seen a more complicated one.
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This is really infuriating. In what world does a competent GM not protect a top 3 or 5 pick at all costs, especially in a trade that you only made to gain cap space? This makes sense if you acquired some young stud. God I really really dislike BT.
Yeah, from a bargaining position standpoint, no team would've backed out from a deal if he put in that extra condition. OVER CAP SPACE! Unbelievable at the time and even worse now. Gosh I hate this thing hanging over our head.
Tre seemed like a hard working GM but I really dislike how he basically quit on the team and was more interested in his own quest for glory than the team itself. It seemed like his last year he was focussed on leaving and checked out. He knew that this mess was going to be a bad look for him and selfishly left knowing someone else would have to clean it up.
In comparison when Darryl was GM he made some pretty awful moves but I never questioned his loyalty to the organization. He was committed right to the end but ultimately his body of work was his downfall. Tre took the easy way out and ended up getting the “dream job” being in Canada’s hottest market where your job is a lot easier due to the fact that UFA’s actually want to join the organization.
I’m glad Conroy is driving the bus right now for two reasons. First, he makes moves that Tre wouldn’t do such as giving youngsters a chance and not wasting picks for depth/washed up role players. Secondly I believe he is committed to the Flames 100% and would have a sense of pride and ownership if he messed up as bad as Tre did. No taking you ball and running away for the next opportunity.
Tre seemed like a hard working GM but I really dislike how he basically quit on the team and was more interested in his own quest for glory than the team itself. It seemed like his last year he was focussed on leaving and checked out. He knew that this mess was going to be a bad look for him and selfishly left knowing someone else would have to clean it up.
Do you honestly believe Bean and the owners just sat there and watched Treliving deliberately wreck their team out of spite? Ridiculous.
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Do you honestly believe Bean and the owners just sat there and watched Treliving deliberately wreck their team out of spite? Ridiculous.
To be clear I don’t agree with Ferrari but it doesn’t have to be Bean sitting back and letting anything happen. Treliving has to bring a compelling vision that suits the hockey and business side to Bean. What’s clean is they went all in towards the end with a series of short sighted moves - doubling down on Huberdeau with a long term deal; signing Kadri to a long term deal; dealing Monahan with futures high picks to get rid of him. Those should be questioned. Could be an organizational failure or specifically on Trelivings head.
To be clear I don’t agree with Ferrari but it doesn’t have to be Bean sitting back and letting anything happen. Treliving has to bring a compelling vision that suits the hockey and business side to Bean. What’s clean is they went all in towards the end with a series of short sighted moves - doubling down on Huberdeau with a long term deal; signing Kadri to a long term deal; dealing Monahan with futures high picks to get rid of him. Those should be questioned. Could be an organizational failure or specifically on Trelivings head.
Considering the Flames wanted Treliving back, I suspect the state of the team as it was and as it is now, was due to an organizational decision on their direction. Ie: stay competitive.
For all we know, Treliving may have been advocating for a rebuild/retool behind the scenes anyway. After all, the history of this team, long before Treliving entered the picture, is to avoid rebuilding at all costs. The only time they’ve done it is when it was forced on them. Treliving decision to leave may have been, in part, due to the lack of autonomy. Maybe he felt he had done all he could and it was Conroy’s time. Clearly, he didn’t need to worry much about his reputation around the league and would land on his feet in short order.
If CGY’s pick is top-10 and Florida’s is not: Montreal gets Florida’s
If CGY’s pick is not top-10: Montreal gets the better of the two picks
If CGY and FLA’s picks are both top-10: Montreal gets CGY’s pick unless it is 1st overall
We should sticky this somewhere.....
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Considering the Flames wanted Treliving back, I suspect the state of the team as it was and as it is now, was due to an organizational decision on their direction.
I find the organization to be rudderless and have no idea what they are doing, allowing the players to drive direction of the hockey club. Been that way since Treliving arrived and has continued under Conroy. Yes, Conroy dealt his UFAs as he stated, but it was extremely disturbing to hear him say he was trying to sign guys right up until the moment he traded them. That showed no resolve, no plan, and no desire to have control over your players. That was frustrating but explained so much.
I find the organization to be rudderless and have no idea what they are doing, allowing the players to drive direction of the hockey club. Been that way since Treliving arrived and has continued under Conroy. Yes, Conroy dealt his UFAs as he stated, but it was extremely disturbing to hear him say he was trying to sign guys right up until the moment he traded them. That showed no resolve, no plan, and no desire to have control over your players. That was frustrating but explained so much.
It's also a negotiation tactic. Moreover, it means that Hanifin at $7.5M x 8 would've been worth more to the Flames than what they got back for him, which I tend to agree with. The direction of this team is to have a constant influx of Wranglers, and have competition from within to fill the bottom of the roster and some spots higher up the lineup.
Conroy seemed to negotiate hard, both on trades, and on contract extensions. He only made his moves after his price was met or he ran out of time. He didn't move Markstrom for a subpar return, and he wasn't shy about retaining salary to get more assets.
The prices for rentals last year were higher, but that's something you can't control, and it's still better than letting our UFAs walk for nothing.
Thank you everyone for explaining the conditions around Florida's 1st. I was hoping there was a chance the flames could have both Vegas' 1st and Florida's 1st in 2026.
My hopes and dreams have been crushed like an Oilers fan excited to buy that new pair of sweatpants that will never go on sale.
I find the organization to be rudderless and have no idea what they are doing, allowing the players to drive direction of the hockey club. Been that way since Treliving arrived and has continued under Conroy. Yes, Conroy dealt his UFAs as he stated, but it was extremely disturbing to hear him say he was trying to sign guys right up until the moment he traded them. That showed no resolve, no plan, and no desire to have control over your players. That was frustrating but explained so much.
“extremely disturbing”
Who says CP is over the top?
It really just meant his plan isn’t to do a scorched earth rebuild, never has been, never will be, and it’s tough to know how many times that needs to be clear before people stop acting shocked and “disturbed” when that information is reiterated.
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