05-01-2023, 09:12 AM
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#1301
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Memento Mori
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Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts
Treliving biggest mistake as GM was the summer for Gulutzan and Brouwer.
To think we had Johnny Matthew Sam and Sean with Gio Dougie and TJ and to hire a dollar store coach what mistake.
That's when the team needed a a elite coach to come in.
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Maybe too early for an elite coach but definitely GG was the wrong choice. Brouwer and then Neal sunk the team long term. I do fear the Huby and Kadri contracts will do the same.
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05-01-2023, 09:14 AM
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#1302
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Scoring Winger
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Originally Posted by dustygoon
Coach of NHL's top team that just got knocked out says Bennett and Tkachuk were the difference.
The hell. That is straight to the nuts.
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Yep... @1:35 of this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-baaU0WKBCU
That is a huge flag against the org and mishandling of top end drafted players. 
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05-01-2023, 09:14 AM
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#1303
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Originally Posted by FanIn80
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Lets see how they handle a pile of rotten leaves.
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05-01-2023, 09:21 AM
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#1304
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Shanghai
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
They did use Heinemen in the package to get Toffoli
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Toffoli was great this season. One of few great performers on the team this year.
So, what would that make the exchange of assets overall, something like Sam Bennett plus a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th and Tyler Pitlick for two months of Calle Jarnkrok and Tyler Toffoli?
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05-01-2023, 09:30 AM
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#1305
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Some of it’s coming from the same people who were positive Florida wasn’t even going to get into the playoffs, or Tkachuk wasn’t going to hit 100 points, etc.
I doubt they watched the series, it was a great one. Having watched both the Toronto and Florida series I don’t see any reason to count out Florida.
The goaltending excuse is especially hilarious considering Ullmark had a better SV% than Bobrovsky and much better than Vasilevsky (who the Leafs beat), while Samsonov is sitting in the same area at .900 (and Lyon at .902). The Panthers just turned a Vezina winner into a pumpkin, in what world are they going to struggle to do the same to Samsonov?
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Probably aimed at me and Dino7 but they did almost miss the playoffs. That is what we said that they have a roster that looks like they would miss and it was close.
I was wrong on Tkachuk he is a elite level talent, when he went on that breakaway in OT thats what I thought he would look like the nasty skating but he does everything else at a elite level to make up for it.
Ironically he probably would have been the perfect winger for Hubderdeau and probably pot 50-60 with him.
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05-01-2023, 09:33 AM
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#1306
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
I think that's an excuse.
The problem with Gulutzan wasn't that he was cheap, it was that he had never shown anything at any level that indicted a destiny as an NHL head coach, outside of a presentation he gave at a coach's conference. That was the same offseason the Avs hired Jared Bednar just a month later - after Bednar led Cleveland to the Calder Cup.
Bill Peters wasn't exactly cheap either, Treliving recruited him from another organization. The biggest issue was that as soon as Peters got here, someone asked him whether Sam Bennett would be an important piece, and he defaulted to "we're still trying to figure out if he is a winger or a centre" - that was a failing on Treliving's part as the direction should have been abundabtly clear that Sam Bennett was a center, and the team would accept any growing pains. Instead Peters played Bennett on a line with Mark Jankowski for his entire tenure, and even did the same to Lindholm. A lineup of
Tkachuk - Bennett - RW
Gaudreau - Lindholm - RW
X - Backlund - X
Mangiapane - Ryan - Hathaway
could have been the foundation for something great... but Treliving didn't move the pieces that never fit out for pieces that could have. Instead he allowed Peters to square-peg the pieces he had by never providing a clear direction.
Geoff Ward had no business being re-upped. He was a regular season disaster as interim coach that only made the play-ins due to COVID. The 8 seed Flames beat the 9 seed Jets and then got stomped by the Stars in the first round of the actual playoffs, including Ward's mishandling of the goalie situation. It was a perfectly valid reason to see what was available, and it never needed to be Darryl Sutter or a veteran coach. It needed to be someone that showed an organic growth at the AHL level as a head coach, with attention to detail from an X's and O's perspective. Ward was a good assistant, but Treliving got indulgent in promoting someone internally. Even Ward's AHL history was a mirage... fools-gold as that team's actual AHL coach had, IIRC, been promoted to the NHL.
Less expensive coaches were not the primary issue.
Unaccomplished-at-lower-leveld coaches and poor direction on roster usage were.
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Sam Bennett was also a very frustrating and inconsistent player here.
Yeah it sucks he never found his game here, but he needs to share some of the blame he never really took the chances he received and ran with it. He looked good in spurts but never put it together.
Maybe if we don't hire Glen and give the team the right coach to develop the players things would be different.
With all the Sutter bashing I have done he would have been probably the perfect coach for that group, and he would have had no Lucic to keep plugging in he would have had to run with those young guys and probably got the best out of them for a few years.
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05-01-2023, 01:17 PM
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#1308
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Total side note, but am I the only one who thought CBJ's upset over Tampa a few years ago was more impressive? I would take that Lightning team over this Bruins team in a seven game series.
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That was a bigger upset IMO.
This series isn't as much of an upset as it was a choke job by a historically good team.
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05-01-2023, 01:21 PM
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#1309
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by DoubleK
That was a bigger upset IMO.
This series isn't as much of an upset as it was a choke job by a historically good team.
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The Panthers are also a star studded team that underachieved in the regular season, but should have been a contender. Not exactly a plucky underdog in my opinion.
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05-01-2023, 01:24 PM
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#1310
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleK
That was a bigger upset IMO.
This series isn't as much of an upset as it was a choke job by a historically good team.
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I think that CBJ - Tampa Bay series was more of a choke job to be honest. They were swept which was just crazy.
This one was just a hard fought series and Boston got sub .900 goaltending. I would love to look back to see how many teams win a playoff series where they get sub .900 goaltending...probably not a lot.
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05-01-2023, 01:33 PM
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#1311
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by SuperMatt18
I think that CBJ - Tampa Bay series was more of a choke job to be honest. They were swept which was just crazy.
This one was just a hard fought series and Boston got sub .900 goaltending. I would love to look back to see how many teams win a playoff series where they get sub .900 goaltending...probably not a lot.
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Bob was .891 
None of the goaltenders had a good series tbh.
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05-01-2023, 01:36 PM
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#1312
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
The Panthers are also a star studded team that underachieved in the regular season, but should have been a contender. Not exactly a plucky underdog in my opinion.
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Yeah, people forget about their terrific regular season the year before (without Tkachuk but with Huberdeau, Weegar and a part of Bennett's year).
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05-01-2023, 01:37 PM
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#1313
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Originally Posted by Saqe
Bob was .891
None of the goaltenders had a good series tbh. |
I bet looking back at the season, Boston relied on Ullmark to win games a lot more than Florida relied on Bob. So when Ullmark fell back to earth and Bob was still Bob, the Bruins suffered more.
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05-01-2023, 01:40 PM
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#1314
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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I feel like it was probably a mistake for Boston to not get Swayman into more games down the stretch after they already clinched. Swayman is a really decent goalie in his own right and was probably a little rusty coming in cold to a game 7. I think he definitely should have saved a couple of those goals in the last game.
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05-01-2023, 01:51 PM
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#1315
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
I bet looking back at the season, Boston relied on Ullmark to win games a lot more than Florida relied on Bob. So when Ullmark fell back to earth and Bob was still Bob, the Bruins suffered more.
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That's true. Florida needs Bob to be ok at least to have a chance but they have never totally relied on him. One of the reasons why they had such a rough start to the year was because he was garbage Bob. Then he was good for a couple of months around january-march until the wheels came off again and Lyon stole his job. Without Lyon they actually wouldn't have made the playoffs, he was really good the last ten games or so.
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05-04-2023, 06:41 AM
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#1316
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Franchise Player
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