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Old 09-22-2023, 10:34 AM   #12621
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Seems like UA and PL are negotiating some kind of grain deal, and the comments are being rolled back. The government there is literal piss (like their party name name suggests), so not surprised with an upcoming election they went down that route in an attempt to rally their base. Absolutely no way in hell a country that has suffered through soviet occupation itself, along with a million + UA refugees, would cut off arms aid like that.
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Old 09-22-2023, 11:10 AM   #12622
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Daily Mail, on the greatest source, but let's hope some of it is correct.
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Old 09-22-2023, 01:21 PM   #12625
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Old 09-22-2023, 03:25 PM   #12626
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They really effed that place up!!!


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Yikes, this seems like really bad news for Ukraine, no? I've stopped following this invasion for a while now, but wasn't Poland's support a pretty big win for them? I wonder what else brought about this shift from Poland's side, aside from the grain dispute?
I would say this interpretation is overblown. Ukrainian grain is flooding land routes in Europe and Poland's grain industry is affected. The Polish PM said they were stopping transferring Polish weapons to Ukraine, he didn't say Poland would no longer operate as the key transit point for supplying foreign weapons to Ukraine that it has become. Kind of unsurprising Poland would want to maintain its own arms given fears of Russian invasion there also.
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Old 09-23-2023, 10:09 AM   #12628
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They really effed that place up!!!


Yeah that's at least two hits. The place was already smoking before that hit on the video, and that hit on the video is clearly a really solid hit.

Middle of the day, that's probably quite a few casualties, and valuable people too.

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Old 09-23-2023, 10:44 AM   #12629
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They really effed that place up!!!


Storm Shadow missiles are effectively bunker busters, a two-staged warhead meant to kill inside a structure.

Meaning what you see on video is nothing compared to the destruction that would have occurred inside.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1656623508053692417
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Storm Shadow missiles are effectively bunker busters, a two-staged warhead meant to kill inside a structure.

Meaning what you see on video is nothing compared to the destruction that would have occurred inside.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1656623508053692417
The TARDIS of missiles so to speak. They truly seem to be amazing weapons tho. Ukraine needs alot more of the.
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Old 09-23-2023, 02:51 PM   #12631
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A little thought I had was how are mines affected by deep snow? I don't know much about mine tech, is there a chance that winter brings some areas where the snow is deep enough to cross without fear of mines? What about vehicles like snow mobiles?
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Old 09-23-2023, 07:41 PM   #12632
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Putin's grumpy mouthpiece Sergey Lavrov says the US and UK and others to be “directly at war with us.”

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Sorry Sergey, you would know it if the wests military's were at war with you
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Old 09-24-2023, 02:41 AM   #12633
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Sorry Sergey, you would know it if the wests military's were at war with you
Lavrov also suddenly said, that Russia respects Ukraine's 1991 borders, that is with Crimea being Ukrainian, as long, as Ukraine abides its own declaration of sovereignty. In this declaration, he said, Ukraine "promises" to be neutral state and don't participate in military alliances, and also don't have nukes. As far, as I could google Ukrainian sources (lower link below), this claim is somewhat correct, although the language is a bit vague (or so is my understanding of Ukrainian). It says that Ukraine "intends" to be a neutral state, don't join military alliances, and also don't have nuclear weapons. It's not clear whether those words are legally binding.

Regardless, this is the first time some official from Russia, and direct subordinate of Putin no less, talks about respecting 1991 borders. I'm not sure if they realized they lost the war or it is some kind of diplomatic trick.

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2023/09/24/t..._medium=mobile

Last paragraph of bullet IX addresses Ukraine's intentions to stay neutral, nuclear -free and never joining any military alliances:

https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/cgi-bin/la...reg=55-12#Text

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Lavrov also suddenly said, that Russia respects Ukraine's 1991 borders, that is with Crimea being Ukrainian, as long, as Ukraine abides its own declaration of sovereignty. In this declaration, he said, Ukraine "promises" to be neutral state and don't participate in military alliances, and also don't have nukes. As far, as I could google Ukrainian sources (lower link below), this claim is somewhat correct, although the language is a bit vague (or so is my understanding of Ukrainian). It says that Ukraine "intends" to be a neutral state, don't join military alliances, and also don't have nuclear weapons. It's not clear whether those words are legally binding.

Regardless, this is the first time some official from Russia, and direct subordinate of Putin no less, talks about respecting 1991 borders. I'm not sure if they realized they lost the war or it is some kind of diplomatic trick.

https://m.lenta.ru/news/2023/09/24/t..._medium=mobile

Last paragraph of bullet IX addresses Ukraine's intentions to stay neutral, nuclear -free and never joining any military alliances:

https://zakon.rada.gov.ua/cgi-bin/la...reg=55-12#Text
That's another moving goalpost from Lavrov there and more victim gaslighting. Russia invaded Crimea when Ukraine wanted to establish stronger economic ties with the EU during the 2014 Euromaiden protests, not any sort of military alliance. It's only a year into Russia's second invasion that Ukraine brought up NATO membership.

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Error or is this for real? Ive read about Nazis being in the Ukrainian forces but Canada is bringing one out for a standing ovation?

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...anding-ovation
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Error or is this for real? Ive read about Nazis being in the Ukrainian forces but Canada is bringing one out for a standing ovation?

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...anding-ovation
my guess is none of the idiots knew, they just assumed that as we are friends with Ukraine now he fought for 'us' in the war, dumbassery of the highest order
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my guess is none of the idiots knew, they just assumed that as we are friends with Ukraine now he fought for 'us' in the war, dumbassery of the highest order
Or that they'd impress Zelensky by honouring a "true Ukrainian hero" without thinking it through one iota. Someone thought this was a fantastic idea, and they should be removed for having done so.
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my guess is none of the idiots knew, they just assumed that as we are friends with Ukraine now he fought for 'us' in the war, dumbassery of the highest order
I'd prefer if they just didn't know vs. something idiotic like ignoring it because they're on 'our side'.
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Old 09-24-2023, 07:43 PM   #12639
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Didn't even one of these morons think... "Wait, fought against Russia in WW2... wasn't Russia on our side in WW2? Weren't the Russians fighting against the Nazis?"
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So it's a huge gaffe most certainly by the speaker of the house, but only due to optics, not because of what the former soldier fought for.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_W..._(1st_Galician)

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Germans made three political concessions: It was stipulated that the division shall not be used to fight Western Allies, and would be used exclusively to "fight Bolsheviks". The other concession was that its oath of allegiance to Hitler was conditional on the fight against Bolshevism and in the fact that Christian (mostly Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church and Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church) chaplains were integrated into the units and allowed to function (in the Waffen-SS, only the Bosnian division and Sturmbrigade Wallonien had a clerical presence). The latter condition was instituted at the insistence of the division's organizers in order to minimize the risk of Nazi demoralization amongst the soldiers.[10][page needed] Indeed, Nazi indoctrination was absent within the division.[11]


Parade of SS Galicia recruits in Lwów (Lviv), German occupied Poland July 1943.
The creation of foreign SS units had been carried out previously in the name of fighting against communism; with French, Flemish, Walloon, Dutch, Latvian, Estonian, Croatian, and Belarusian units, among others, had been created.[12] The creation of a Ukrainian SS division was perceived by many in Ukraine as a step towards the attainment of Ukrainian independence and attracted many volunteers.
So they weren't actual nazis despite the SS denomination, fought only Soviets, and Ukrainians was still recovering from the Holodomor and trying it's hardest to gain it's independence from Soviets. Add to this that Germany directly helped Ukraine in their fight for independence against the Bolsheviks in 1918 and Ukraine volunteering for the Nazis make sense. Germany was initially cheered as liberators

We must of course also consider Babi Yar, which was genocide of Jews in Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babi_Yar

Yaroslav Hunka was also 18 years old when he would have joined the newly formed volunteer group and his tale can be read below, all he knew was persecution under Stalin and the trains were going East not West, is it really hard to blame him?

https://komb-a-ingwar.blogspot.com/2...g-post_21.html

It's a stupid move to honour someone who by association was on the same side as Nazis, but it's not so black and white (see Finland).
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