2024 NHL Draft Thread

[Moneyhands23]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t think it’s too much to ask for the Flames to walk out of this draft with Celebrini and Tij.

We’re due.

Oh if that happens everyone has to eat pubes

[Canada 02]

Flames need to trade for Taylor Hall. Nuke the draft lottery from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

If the Flames get a 1st overall he is going to Yakupov. I feel it in my bones lol. 6th overall worked out for them.

This is why rebuilds aren't 3 years, they are more like 7-10 years (unless you get wildly lucky). You can't expect to change your organization's fortunes around with a single draft pick. And getting one high draft pick guarantees nothing. To build a really good core, you need 5 great players. And to get 5, you need several drafts picking high, as well as getting lucky in the late rounds, at least once or twice.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is why rebuilds aren't 3 years, they are more like 7-10 years (unless you get wildly lucky). You can't expect to change your organization's fortunes around with a single draft pick. And getting one high draft pick guarantees nothing. To build a really good core, you need 5 great players. And to get 5, you need several drafts picking high, as well as getting lucky in the late rounds, at least once or twice.

That's why you need to get ahead and do it the right way. It could speed it up by a couple years.

Make sure you actually get top picks in the years your sucking. Accrue a few extra 1sts and 2nds over a couple years.

Calgary really needs a top pick this season. They also really need to get some extra picks/prospects from their UFAs.

4 firsts over the next two years, with one or two being top 5 picks. Plus prospects we get from UFA trades. Add that to the group of pelletier, zary, coronato, wolf, honzek, Morin and poorier. Atleast 3 of them should turn into top line players.

Then we slot them around our remaining vets. It shouldn't take 7-10 years to be back. More like 2-3if they get ahead of it and do things properly.

[Goriders]

It’s probably easier as a fan just to cheer for a better team

[DoubleK]

Originally Posted by traptor

4 firsts over the next two years, with one or two being top 5 picks. Plus prospects we get from UFA trades. Add that to the group of pelletier, zary, coronato, wolf, honzek, Morin and poorier. Atleast 3 of them should turn into top line players.

You recall that Calgary has picked inside the top 5 exactly once, right?

[1qqaaz]

If Vegas ever becomes bad, they'll almost definitely win the draft lottery.
There's no doubt in my mind.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

If Vegas ever becomes bad, they'll almost definitely win the draft lottery.
There's no doubt in my mind.

Oilers going to pick ahead of the Flames this year

[Erick Estrada]

It would be very Calgary Flames to finally finish bottom 3 in the league only to lose the draft lottery and be stuck with the 5th pick. Maybe, just maybe this is our year though. You just have to hope for the best.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It would be very Calgary Flames to finally finish bottom 3 in the league only to lose the draft lottery and be stuck with the 5th pick. Maybe, just maybe this is our year though. You just have to hope for the best.

I think what's important is to draft and develop a great player. Obviously, the Avs are not lamenting that they lost the draft lottery in 2017.

[Monahammer]

We're going to get a top 3 pick this time! I know it!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I think what's important is to draft and develop a great player. Obviously, the Avs are not lamenting that they lost the draft lottery in 2017.

Yeah for sure but by early scouting it seems like after the first three players, things drop down a tier.

[Ashes]

One thing is for sure, the Sharks are getting a top-3 pick this year. 10-1 loss to the Canucks last night, still haven't won a game after playing 10 so far, and they are absolutely rancid.

So that likely leaves two more spots at the top of the inverted standings. Calgary and? Chicago? In that case, Gary's favourite Blackhawks are going to win the lottery again aren't they? Aw man.

[devo22]

yeah nobody is outsucking San Jose this year. They are absolutely awful.

Pittsburgh has had a bad start, but you'd think they get it together at some point. Edmonton, you just have to hope they get out of high pick territory as well. Teams like Nashville and St. Louis are in transition and could pick pretty high. Philly too and Chicago obviously as well.

[Tbull8]

Obviously Celebrini/Eiserman is the dream, but there is a ton of high end talent at the top of this draft. Picking in the top 5-8 this year and next, along with adding some later 1sts and 2nds will go a long way in restocking the cupboards. More picks also let the scouts swing for the fences a lot more

[Monahammer]

I dunno, as much as I hate the league this is the storybook timeline for us of starting construction on the arena and magically getting awarded a 1st overall pick in the same time frame. Happens not infrequently in this league. Maybe we're finally up to bat.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is why rebuilds aren't 3 years, they are more like 7-10 years (unless you get wildly lucky). You can't expect to change your organization's fortunes around with a single draft pick. And getting one high draft pick guarantees nothing. To build a really good core, you need 5 great players. And to get 5, you need several drafts picking high, as well as getting lucky in the late rounds, at least once or twice.

There are ways you can speed up the process though to squeeze more picks into a shorter timeframe. One way for instance would be

Trade Lindholm for a 24 1st and at least one high level prospect under the age of 22.

Trade Hanifin for a 24 1st and at least one high level prospect under the age of 22

Trade Tanev for two second round picks in 24 and 25

Trade Zadorov for two second round picks in 24 and 25.

Theoretically if you do that you would have the following assets 24 or under in the organization by the start of the 2025 season:

Connor Zary
Jakob Pelletier
Dustin Wolf
Connor Zary
Jeremie Poirier
Coronato
Honzek
Morin
Flames 2024 1st round pick
Lindholm 2024 1st round pick
Hanifin 2024 1st round pick
Prospect picked up for Lindholm
Prospect picked up for Hanifin
2024 Flames 2nd round pick
2025 Flames 1st round pick
2025 Flames 2nd round pick

It would be reasonable to hope that half of those assets 24 or under would turn into above average NHL players with a 3-4 being elite. That would be a decent start to a rebuild, especially when it appears that you already have the following that seem to be tracking to be productive NHL players at some point

Goalies - Wolf
Defence - thin but maybe Poirier
Forwards - Zary, Coronato, Pelletier

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This is why rebuilds aren't 3 years, they are more like 7-10 years (unless you get wildly lucky). You can't expect to change your organization's fortunes around with a single draft pick. And getting one high draft pick guarantees nothing. To build a really good core, you need 5 great players. And to get 5, you need several drafts picking high, as well as getting lucky in the late rounds, at least once or twice.

One of the main reasons rebuilds are 7-10 years is that teams wait too long to get them going and try to hold on too long.

Look at the Flames if with Tkachuk/Gaudreau leaving last summer they could have started the rebuild last summer but instead we have added 2 years, at least to the rebuild already.

How much further along and how much time would be cut off the rebuild if the team started moving assets last summer? Both in terms of actual time and in terms of adding assets that could speed up the rebuild?

Instead we waste time holding onto mediocrity hurting the team now and long term.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I really believe a rebuild can be fast (2-3 years) as long as there are good drafts when you suck, plus you have to be good at drafting and development, and not be incompetent at building back up. You also need to START the rebuild with a good stable of prospects before you sell - good secondary-type players. Calgary has that I think.


Some drafts don't produce a whole lot, so it sucks when you try to rebuild through that.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Trying to pull of a 2-3 year re-build is a good way to ensure that re-build fails.