Is Ortio for real?

[Mattman]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

There is no reason he can not. Goalies tend to find their game around 26-27. I think many people need to be reminded of this.

Case and point: Miikka Kiprusoff was 26 when he went on the 04 Cup Run

Also I always thought Cory Schneider was too over developed and wasn't going to make it with the Canucks. He was in the AHL just 6 years ago at the age of 24. Now he's 30 and absolutely killing it in New Jersey.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Ullr

No. He is a 'real' backup however

His numbers since Ramo went down indicate he may be trending a lot higher than a backup. Revisit this conversation next year if he's able to log another 20-30 starts and maintain a nice even keel in his level of play. With that said, management had better not do something silly and not bring him back.

Ortio has simply not had enough playing time to make this kind of call yet. If he turns out to be starter material and he's only 27 years old, the Flames will be laughing.

[AcGold]

When he cracks .918 for a while he's in conversation as a starter. He just looks good by comparison (to Hiller and Backstrom).

[madmike]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

You can't afford a goalie who always has slow starts. Ortio has also looked terrible when he comes in after a long break, which is what a back ups job is. Sometimes they might go weeks between starts, and then they need to not be terrible, something Ortio has shown no ability to do.

I would move on from everyone who played goal for the Flames this year and just start fresh.

If he was 28 I'd be inclined to agree and move on. But I think at 24 he's young enough that he can still improve. That's really the main reason I want to bring him back.

[MarkGio]

Tim Thomas is a prime example of why a young goalie can never be written off. This year it's Griess who's killing it. Obviously some goalies just don't have it, but Ortio has shown capability at the NHL level before, as well as shown elite tending at lower levels.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by AcGold

When he cracks .918 for a while he's in conversation as a starter.

Among goalies with 900 minutes played this season there are 29 goalies with a .918

Among those 29, the following 13 have over 50+ GP
Bishop
Crawford
Schneider
Holtby
Luongo
MAF
Mrazek
Lundqvist
Quick
Dubnyk
Mason
Smith
Jones

Among those 29, the following twelve play on the same team as another with over .918 SV% (or, "A strong tandem"):

Allen/Elliot
Luongo/Montoya
Lehner/Johnson
Neuvirth/Mason
Holtby/Grubauer
Greiss/Halak

Among those above the following have over 35GP:
Holtby
Allen
Elliot
Johnson
Mason
Luongo
Halak
Greiss

Among those 29, nine have an adjusted save percentage below .918, suggesting they have been the beneficiaries a team defense allowing relatively many perimeter shots to inflate percentages (the opposite of the Flames' shot blocking style):

Luongo (.916)
Hutton (.917)
Gibson (.916)
Reimer (.917)
Lundqvist (.917)
Johnson (.916)
Korpisalo (.916)
Smith (.912)
Dubnyk (.916)


If a .918, being either a 50+ GP or being a 35+ GP portion of a .918+ tandem, and a .918 Adjusted percentage are the criteria the following are starters:
Elliot
Bishop
Crawford
Greiss
Schneider
Holtby
MAF
Mrazek
Allen
Halak
Quick
Mason
Jones

There are only thirteen starters in the NHL.

Personally I think there are more.

[Dr. Doom]

What sucks is that we're all questioning ourselves now because the window this kid got this year was hardly enough to make a call either way. Make that worse - has BT seen enough of a window to make a quality decision here? No way! If he keeps him and he's more terrible than good, it's more time spent mulling on this goalie stuff. If he gets rid of him because he saw more bad than good, he could go on to be good if not great.

I blame Hartley. The casual fan could have seen Hiller's disinterest a mere 1/4 way through the season if not earlier. he should have been playing Ortio every chance he got - especially after Ramo went down - at the very least to see what we have in Ortio.

Unfortunately I don't think anyone will be able to put much conclusion to the sample size. He played bad, and he's played quite well. Can he consistently play well? Who knows... but let's chew more of next season trying to find out.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Tim Thomas is a prime example of why a young goalie can never be written off. This year it's Griess who's killing it. Obviously some goalies just don't have it, but Ortio has shown capability at the NHL level before, as well as shown elite tending at lower levels.

The bottom line is that the Flames are in no position to cut this kid loose when he's finally displaying some NHL ability on a consistent basis. Goalies at his age who are at least showing the ability to play a string of games as a starter don't fall from trees.

I say you give him a two year deal and be thankful you're not paying a 30 plus year old backup with no future 3-4M per to do the same thing...maybe he turns into our starter or maybe he fizzles out. It's still better then the current situation - which is pretty much a giant wet fart in net.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

What sucks is that we're all questioning ourselves now because the window this kid got this year was hardly enough to make a call either way. Make that worse - has BT seen enough of a window to make a quality decision here? No way! If he keeps him and he's more terrible than good, it's more time spent mulling on this goalie stuff. If he gets rid of him because he saw more bad than good, he could go on to be good if not great.

I blame Hartley. The casual fan could have seen Hiller's disinterest a mere 1/4 way through the season if not earlier. he should have been playing Ortio every chance he got - especially after Ramo went down - at the very least to see what we have in Ortio.

Unfortunately I don't think anyone will be able to put much conclusion to the sample size. He played bad, and he's played quite well. Can he consistently play well? Who knows... but let's chew more of next season trying to find out.

This is a good post. It is disappointing that we will finish the season still unsure of Ortio given how badly Hiller was playing. That said, Ortio did himself no favors with his crappy play in the AHL. He did not exactly force anyone's hand. So it kind of stinks all around but it is also part of the reason I don't fully trust Ortio.

[edslunch]

Give a one year show me contract. Sign or acquire a proven good goalie for 3 years, let it play out

[Dion]

Treliving on Ortio

“Like a lot of things, we’re going to get to the end of the year and start to evaluate where we go from here,” said Flames GM Brad Treliving. “Our plan is to get through to the end right now and we’ll get a chance to let the emotions subside and take a deep breath and go from there.”

"We’re going to see,” Treliving said. “He’s a restricted free agent and needs a new contract. But, like I said, he’s still a young guy. And I like him. I think he’s really competitive and, to me, he’s got a bit of that swagger back in his game.

“To me, he’s a confident guy … but we want a chance think clearly here.”

“That’s how it goes sometimes,” Treliving said of Ortio’s year and battle to stay in the NHL. “You look at the body of work since he’s been back, for the most part he’s been real solid. He’s given us a chance on most nights. There’s a lot of encouraging signs with Joni.

“We’ll have to go through the whole de-brief and talk with our staff (regarding next season). But he’s shown really good glimpses.”

Ortio, who indicated that his agent has “talked” with Calgary (“but nothing major”), wants to be part of the future.

“It’s a great spot to play hockey,” he said. “We’ve got great fans, the best in the NHL. It’s a hockey town. I’ve enjoyed my time here. So, that’s where I’m at. I don’t want to get ahead of myself … that’s something we’re going to look at after the season.

“But it’s wide open for next year.”

http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/04/04...-may-be-coming

[PugnaciousIntern]

Originally Posted by Dion

Treliving on Ortio







http://www.calgarysun.com/2016/04/04...-may-be-coming

About as like warm as a GM gets while still trying to sign a player

[GullFoss]

I think the best way to go might be to start with ramo and ortio. I have trouble being confident any ufa goalie would be any better - there are no bonafide star goalies available in ufa. And there are no goalies id want to give term to - not ramo, not riemer, not fredrik. Better to sign the devils you know to a year or two and reassess next offseason. Or pull off a midseason trade.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Among goalies with 900 minutes played this season there are 29 goalies with a .918

Among those 29, the following 13 have over 50+ GP
Bishop
Crawford
Schneider
Holtby
Luongo
MAF
Mrazek
Lundqvist
Quick
Dubnyk
Mason
Smith
Jones

Among those 29, the following twelve play on the same team as another with over .918 SV% (or, "A strong tandem"):

Allen/Elliot
Luongo/Montoya
Lehner/Johnson
Neuvirth/Mason
Holtby/Grubauer
Greiss/Halak

Among those above the following have over 35GP:
Holtby
Allen
Elliot
Johnson
Mason
Luongo
Halak
Greiss

Among those 29, nine have an adjusted save percentage below .918, suggesting they have been the beneficiaries a team defense allowing relatively many perimeter shots to inflate percentages (the opposite of the Flames' shot blocking style):

Luongo (.916)
Hutton (.917)
Gibson (.916)
Reimer (.917)
Lundqvist (.917)
Johnson (.916)
Korpisalo (.916)
Smith (.912)
Dubnyk (.916)


If a .918, being either a 50+ GP or being a 35+ GP portion of a .918+ tandem, and a .918 Adjusted percentage are the criteria the following are starters:
Elliot
Bishop
Crawford
Greiss
Schneider
Holtby
MAF
Mrazek
Allen
Halak
Quick
Mason
Jones

There are only thirteen starters in the NHL.

Personally I think there are more.

Safe to say you could make it 14 and say Price would have been on there too. Also not to nitpick but it's convenient how you use an "adjusted" save percentage when it drops another 8 guys to .916/.917. You add the 8 guys on your list and you get 21, add price and you get 22. Point being .918 is not a ridiculous "unadjusted^ sv% to use as a basis for a good starting goalie.

I guess .917 could be used?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Mattman

Case and point: Miikka Kiprusoff was 26 when he went on the 04 Cup Run

Also I always thought Cory Schneider was too over developed and wasn't going to make it with the Canucks. He was in the AHL just 6 years ago at the age of 24. Now he's 30 and absolutely killing it in New Jersey.

-and
+in

Sorry dude. I just can't help myself with this stuff.

[Strange Brew]

A great game by Ortio last night, if you factor out the goals he allowed...

Is he really any better than every other team's top AHL goalie?

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

A great game by Ortio last night, if you factor out the goals he allowed...

Is he really any better than every other team's top AHL goalie?

He's better than some for sure. I see a decent backup in him, nothing more.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

A great game by Ortio last night, if you factor out the goals he allowed...

Is he really any better than every other team's top AHL goalie?

He dominated the AHL, so yes probably 95% of them.

[polak]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

A great game by Ortio last night, if you factor out the goals he allowed...

Is he really any better than every other team's top AHL goalie?

Wow lets hope who ever Treliving wastes assets on over the off season doesn't ever let in a couple super flukey goals or you guys are going to put his head on pitchfork...

Every single goalie in the NHL has bad games. Every one. Ortio hasn't even had more than most. He just had 3 in a row to start the season and one yesterday. The horror.

[mikephoen]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

He dominated the AHL, so yes probably 95% of them.

Dominated? He had a 3.36 GAA and a .893 save percentage this season. That's about as bad as you can get in the AHL. He was brutal this year in the AHL.

Last year he was better (2.69 and .912), but hardly dominating.