05-10-2024, 11:02 AM
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#101
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Vancouver
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Seeing Treliving talk about a coaching search is activating my trauma.
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A few weeks after crashing head-first into the boards (denting his helmet and being unable to move for a little while) following a hit from behind by Bob Errey, the Calgary Flames player explains:
"I was like Christ, lying on my back, with my arms outstretched, crucified"
-- Frank Musil - Early January 1994
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05-10-2024, 11:49 AM
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#102
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Scoring Winger
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It's almost as if "trusting the process" is a meaningless word scramble
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05-10-2024, 12:08 PM
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#103
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary
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The Quest stands upon the edge of a knife. Stray but a little, and it will fail, to the ruin of all. Yet hope remains while the Company is true. Go Flames Go!
Pain heals. Chicks dig scars. Glory... lasts forever.
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05-10-2024, 12:20 PM
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#104
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: A small painted room
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Took Tre 5 words to say process. hahaha
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05-10-2024, 02:44 PM
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#105
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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I've always found the hangup by some on CP on the word "process" to be quite fascinating.
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05-10-2024, 02:46 PM
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#106
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MissTeeks
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I think Keefe's had one of the best regular season records ever (yes, regular season only) by any coach in the NHL during their tenure with a team. Let's see how he does on his next team, but my guess is that his reviews, once he's no longer coaching the Leafs will be quite positive from fans in Canada, assuming he continues to do well with his new team.
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05-10-2024, 02:46 PM
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#107
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
I wonder if Brendan Shanahan has dirt on Keith Pelly because that is the only explanation I can come up with on how he survived.
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Naa, it's not shocking at all. How often does a new CEO come to any complex business and wipe out their right hand person? If Shanahan is the one that understands the business it wouldn't surprise me if he's provided a retainer to keep him for a year so that he can show him some of the ropes. Shanahan is responsible for this by wanting to give the big 4 another chance. I can't blame him for banking on skill and making completely sure he's exhausting it. But that's on him. He knows know it's about them, so changes will be made. Anything short of a cup final next year and no doubt Shanahan will replaced. The new CEO just can't get rid of everyone when he's new to the business and the organization. He needs Shanahan's help for the first year or so.
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05-10-2024, 02:58 PM
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#108
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Why would he need to give Shanny a retainer? He has another year left on his contract.
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05-10-2024, 03:16 PM
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#109
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ped
Why would he need to give Shanny a retainer? He has another year left on his contract.
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True. I don't know why I thought he was expiring this year.
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05-10-2024, 04:16 PM
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#110
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by activeStick
I've always found the hangup by some on CP on the word "process" to be quite fascinating.
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It's quite triggering for some.
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05-10-2024, 05:28 PM
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#111
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Calgary, Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by activeStick
I think Keefe's had one of the best regular season records ever (yes, regular season only) by any coach in the NHL during their tenure with a team. Let's see how he does on his next team, but my guess is that his reviews, once he's no longer coaching the Leafs will be quite positive from fans in Canada, assuming he continues to do well with his new team.
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I think jumping back in as quickly as some young coaches do is a mistake. In this case, I do think he could very well be a great coach, but he has shown nothing but piss poor performance from a post season perspective. Absorb why that may be and learn/expand from that.
If he goes to another team that is expecting serious post season success and fails, this is how you quickly earn a reputation as a loser. I think he has 2 years at $3 mil a year coming towards him so he can afford to be patient and see what happens.
A lot of these coaches, managers and sometimes players find themselves out of the league. These jobs are few and far between but it's good to be put into positions to succeed as much as possible.
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05-10-2024, 05:44 PM
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#112
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Meh, coaching is an art and not a science. I’m any given year a coach could look brilliant and another a bum. Keefe hasn’t ever looked terrible or brilliant. He’s simply a new age coach in that he doesn’t treat players like ####. Probably to a fault because two or three brats run the team but his course was done with the Leafs. It probably wasn’t in him. Their stars just don’t go through people despite their skill. Gotta change that mix. If he had a better mix they’d do better no doubt but it is what it is. It’s the nature of the coaching biz.
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05-10-2024, 05:49 PM
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#113
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by curves2000
I think jumping back in as quickly as some young coaches do is a mistake. In this case, I do think he could very well be a great coach, but he has shown nothing but piss poor performance from a post season perspective. Absorb why that may be and learn/expand from that.
If he goes to another team that is expecting serious post season success and fails, this is how you quickly earn a reputation as a loser. I think he has 2 years at $3 mil a year coming towards him so he can afford to be patient and see what happens.
A lot of these coaches, managers and sometimes players find themselves out of the league. These jobs are few and far between but it's good to be put into positions to succeed as much as possible.
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Yeah I agree with you, plus he has his new extension kicking in this summer! Take some time and come back later when he's had some rest from the fishbowl that is Toronto and he's refreshed. He'll have options.
Edit - I also learned that coach contracts aren't like player contracts. If someone hires him before his extension expires, they don't get paid on both contracts like the players do.
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05-10-2024, 06:23 PM
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#114
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by activeStick
Yeah I agree with you, plus he has his new extension kicking in this summer! Take some time and come back later when he's had some rest from the fishbowl that is Toronto and he's refreshed. He'll have options.
Edit - I also learned that coach contracts aren't like player contracts. If someone hires him before his extension expires, they don't get paid on both contracts like the players do.
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No, but if there's a difference between his old contract and his new contract, then the old team has to make up the difference.
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05-10-2024, 10:02 PM
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#115
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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I always thought Keefe was a good coach, when the GM never addresses your teams weaknesses you are not winning anything. I think he would do good in NJ.
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05-10-2024, 10:12 PM
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#116
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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As for The Leafs I am hearing the same rumours as everyone else but I really think if they were smart they would try and get Joel Quenneville reinstated.
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05-10-2024, 10:50 PM
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#117
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
As for The Leafs I am hearing the same rumours as everyone else but I really think if they were smart they would try and get Joel Quenneville reinstated.
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Yeah, I think he would be a good medium of someone who is fair but a reputation of needing results. Tocchet seems to be the Babcock or Ron Wilson. While I want to see the stars held accountable to work hard in the playoffs, when you go from someone pushing buttons it can be alarming. Better to work for someone who can be demanding but fostering. I think Quenneville fits the bill (Assault situation aside).
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05-11-2024, 07:17 AM
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#118
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Rod Brind”Amour could be hurled free from the Hurricane’s and become the next head coach of the Leafs.
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05-11-2024, 09:09 AM
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#119
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by iamca
Rod Brind”Amour could be hurled free from the Hurricane’s and become the next head coach of the Leafs.
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I don't think he is going anywhere, you never know though.
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05-12-2024, 06:13 PM
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#120
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: Toronto
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