[Rumour] thank you dissentowner, Sec 214, the-rasta-masta

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I'll also admit to being one of the original skeptics to some of the CP inside stuff, but I stepped back as I understand it's fun for people and there's no value in continually bringing it up. Sec214's stuff has clearly been very on point the past couple months, there's no real skepticism against what he provides on my part.

Appreciate it.

Can't believe how hard it is to get that simple point across.

I'm good with being skeptical if it's kept to the content and not to the person itself.

"Not sure I by that given ..." ALL GOOD

"Seclund"
"Insiderrrr" mocking
"Fake News"

NOT GOOD

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Fine, I'll edit it for you.

No idea what you're talking about.

You're not a fan, I get it. Put me on ignore and live a happier life.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Bingo

No idea what you're talking about.

You're not a fan, I get it. Put me on ignore and live a happier life.

As site owner you should be in the know that that's not possible. You can put me on ignore though and live a happier life.

[bluejays]

I think everyone should step away for a few minutes and realize the points they’re arguing isn’t life changing or worth getting their blood pressure up. Life is short. No need to win or lose needless arguments (I do the same these days every now and then fwiw).

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Dentoman

As someone who followed and fell for the Ohtani to the Jays rumours, I'll take any potential inside info I can. It's entertainment. If it's right, great, if it's not, I enjoyed the ride (just like Ohtani's plane ride from LA to Toronto)

People should actually be glad that these so called insiders never hit on anything (other than Rasta). Or if there is something that hits once in a blue moon it's negated by 50 other posts that completely miss the mark. If they were right regularly it would just mean the Flames front office is the leakiest FO in the league. That would be really bad for Conroy and the organization.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

As site owner you should be in the know that that's not possible. You can put me on ignore though and live a happier life.

Damn forgot.

When you get along with 96% of the people that visit the site in 25 years it just don't come up.

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Unless I'm misremembering I don't think sureloss is an insider as much as mindblowingly fast at posting info as it drops to the public. Which is a huge net positive for the board, as it means we can just browse here on big days like draft day/trade deadline etc.

RastaMasta is definitely the biggest insider we have here, he must know someone very close to the action as he'll just simply post things like "Backlund signing for two years at $4.5mil AAV, probably tomorrow".

Not sure what Sureloss is, but they're awesome for the site regardless.
I do find they often post the specifics of a deal or a deal itself faster than even the usual NHL media insiders, which is why I suspect it's more than just quickly sharing the info.
Watch on trade deadline day and you'll see them post something, followers by TSN/Sportsnet a couple minutes later so they at least have some crazy fast reporting source.

Agreed on Rasta; who's also another poster who does it without looking for validation. Much appreciated.

[AC]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I don’t know if being 99% full of the worst trade proposals you’ve ever seen is what most adults would call a thread’s “former glory.”

I completely agree.

The rumour thread should be for discussing actual rumours from CP's insiders or the general media. People posting their own fantasy proposals really isn't that interesting or relevant.

May as well have a thread for fantasy trade ideas or CapFriendly rosters.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by AC

I completely agree.

The rumour thread should be for discussing actual rumours from CP's insiders or the general media. People posting their own fantasy proposals really isn't that interesting or relevant.

May as well have a thread for fantasy trade ideas or CapFriendly rosters.

We've brought this up in the past, but isn't that what the "speculation" part of the thread title is about?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

We've brought this up in the past, but isn't that what the "speculation" part of the thread title is about?

We really should have like a “2023-2024 Season Discussion Thread”, because that’s what the trade and spec thread basically becomes every year.

That way, the trade thread would fall off and only get bumped when something “legitimate” comes along.

[PeteMoss]

Most important post - my opinion - some of the 'insiders' like attention and irritated me during the Gaudreau thing because I was emotionally bought into that one and they clearly didn't have any proper info.

But I assume everyone here is old and internet savvy enough to determine who they want to trust and who they just want to use for fun rumours or to just ignore.

[Skeptical]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Appreciate it.

Can't believe how hard it is to get that simple point across.

I'm good with being skeptical if it's kept to the content and not to the person itself.

"Not sure I by that given ..." ALL GOOD

"Seclund"
"Insiderrrr" mocking
"Fake News"

NOT GOOD

Umm...Have I been traded??

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

With Markstrom talks ramping up again, I think any "seklund" comments should warrant the sin bin.

We haven't heard much from our insiders... I suspect it's because they're sick and tired of it.

AC came out today and explained that he stopped making videos for similar reasons.

These posters have had ample warning and explanation for why it's poor form and every opportunity to put the insiders on ignore. It's really the only deterrent left.

[All In Good Time]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

With Markstrom talks ramping up again, I think any "seklund" comments should warrant the sin bin.

We haven't heard much from our insiders... I suspect it's because they're sick and tired of it.

AC came out today and explained that he stopped making videos for similar reasons.

These posters have had ample warning and explanation for why it's poor form and every opportunity to put the insiders on ignore. It's really the only deterrent left.

Couldnt agree more!

[topfiverecords]

Couldn't disagree less!

[AC]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

AC came out today and explained that he stopped making videos for similar reasons.

Just to clarify, posters here were never too negative. I'd get the odd "why'd you make this?" comment on a player they didn't like, or ultimately no response at all as time went on and people lost interest in the team to some degree.

But the overall fanbase seemed to turn toxic as the Gaudreau core failed to win, so YouTube comments got uglier and more discouraging, and then that Robert Munnich guy from FlamesNation just started ripping my videos and reuploading them or sharing clips as his own while preemptively blocking me so maybe I wouldn't see them I guess?

The last straw was really just YouTube cracking down on copyright claims ultimately. My last video was of Mangi's Team Canada MVP performance and it got blocked immediately and flagged throughout after probably 20 hours of work for nothing.

If the team ever wins or at least goes on another deep run maybe I'll try again.

[bluejays]

Personally, I like the insiders on the site and find it entertaining when they do post. The seclund comment is so tame though. It’s good old fashioned internet teasing. If someone made fun of my username I wouldn’t mind. Other views have to be brought into the fold. As long as it’s not personal I don’t think these small critiques should be taken terribly.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Any personal or ad hominem attacks should be met with the ban hammer, but as Cliff mentioned earlier, there are plenty of examples of pretty bad behaviour that goes unpunished.

I disagree with pretty much anything Hackey posts, and I suppose the seclund comment might cross a line, but honestly, is it any worse than the Anchorman “I don’t believe you” gif? I double checked when he said it, and it was in response to a Sec gif. Not really a personal attack and not really an attack on the source, since Sec didn’t say anything falsifiable. It seems like a whole bunch of nothing to me.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Having whole videos pulled would be pretty demoralizing.

Frankly, youtube has become over-moderated. And creators are demonetized for practically nothing these days.

Involving IIHF footage can be tricky though. Olympics and world championships in particular are extremely rigid with copyrights.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by AC

Just to clarify, posters here were never too negative. I'd get the odd "why'd you make this?" comment on a player they didn't like, or ultimately no response at all as time went on and people lost interest in the team to some degree.

But the overall fanbase seemed to turn toxic as the Gaudreau core failed to win, so YouTube comments got uglier and more discouraging, and then that Robert Munnich guy from FlamesNation just started ripping my videos and reuploading them or sharing clips as his own while preemptively blocking me so maybe I wouldn't see them I guess?

The last straw was really just YouTube cracking down on copyright claims ultimately. My last video was of Mangi's Team Canada MVP performance and it got blocked immediately and flagged throughout after probably 20 hours of work for nothing.

If the team ever wins or at least goes on another deep run maybe I'll try again.

It's too bad, your videos were awesome.
As for the insiders, aren't they vetted by mods? That was always my understanding.