[Trade] Flames trade Tanev (double retention) to Dallas for 2nd, cond. 3rd, Grushnikov

[Flamesfan05]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

There was 5 weeks of potential bidding.

Yeah but you can wait more and hope the bids go up closer to TDL

That’s why Hanifin hasn’t been traded and he was available since last summer

[SuperMatt18]

Ceci + 1st would be a terrible offer.

According to this site the value of taking on Ceci for the rest of this year and next year is a 2nd round pick (around 37th OV)

https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief

So that means if all you're getting is a 1st + Ceci you're actually barely getting a return for Tanev.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Ceci + 1st would be a terrible offer.

According to this site the value of taking on Ceci for the rest of this year and next year is a 2nd round pick (around 37th OV)

https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief

So that means if all you're getting is a 1st + Ceci you're actually barely getting a return for Tanev.

Yes. But!

Edmonton 1st round picks are basically Magic.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I read Ceci and Oilers 1st as a speculated offer. Holland trying to shed a contract with term. Also saw speculation with Colorado 1st plus Johansen too. Seems like the Flames may be putting a premium on taking on money for next year. So they likely got a bit extra from Vancouver for eating Kuzmenko.

I wonder if we could revisit a trade with the Avs. Definitely worth considering. Johansen isn’t a bad add for one season if you can find a way to pry a 1st out of them.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Maybe already brought up but it'd be fun to know what Vancouver was going to add to the Lindholm deal when it was thought Tanev might be involved. Calgary decided not to do it as they thought they could get a 1st for Tanev. That didn't happen, so I'd be curious to know what could have been there.

VAN was still in the discussions for Tanev, so whatever they were offering was still on the table, and didn't win the Flames' affections.

Originally Posted by bluejays

Is Ceci any good? I remember his Ottawa days were mediocre. The Edmonton 1st is attractive. Wouldn’t mind dealing Hanifin there for that plus. Edmonton has the top end but not much. Can’t see them going deep.

EDM is willing to give up a 1st to upgrade from Ceci to Tanev. And the Flames weren't interested in that (despite the fact that EDM's pick could be a fair bit better than some others). So that should tell you all you need to know.

As for a Hanifin package? If a package for Hanifin started with their 1st and Ceci, it would have to include Holloway, Broberg and another pick.

Ceci is a cap dump.

[PeteMoss]

On the 32 thoughts podcast today Friedman said he believes the Flames took a last crack at signing Tanev recently but couldn't reach a deal.

I appreciate Tanev forcing our hand.

[FlamesAreOne]

https://twitter.com/AHLWranglers/sta...37650819625247

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Ceci + 1st would be a terrible offer.

According to this site the value of taking on Ceci for the rest of this year and next year is a 2nd round pick (around 37th OV)

https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief

So that means if all you're getting is a 1st + Ceci you're actually barely getting a return for Tanev.

I don’t put much stock in sites like that. Actual trades which are cap dumps in exchange for draft picks aren’t plentiful enough to be able to determine market value. It’s simply not a very liquid market.

The Flames did pay a first to unload Monahan but that may not set the market for all future deals, particularly in a rising cap environment and in a world where GM’s eventually start managing their cap better.

Now the Flames hopefully will be able to do better than that theoretical return for Ceci, which would be great. They also might not get anything for their cap space (or they might try to spend it all).

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

https://puckpedia.com/CapRelief

So that means if all you're getting is a 1st + Ceci you're actually barely getting a return for Tanev.

Well to be fair to Ceci. He has to play with Nurse. I'm sure Tanev would struggle going that too. It's a big ask. Rod Langway would struggle in that position.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don’t put much stock in sites like that. Actual trades which are cap dumps in exchange for draft picks aren’t plentiful enough to be able to determine market value. It’s simply not a very liquid market.

The Flames did pay a first to unload Monahan but that may not set the market for all future deals, particularly in a rising cap environment and in a world where GM’s eventually start managing their cap better.

Now the Flames hopefully will be able to do better than that theoretical return for Ceci, which would be great. They also might not get anything for their cap space (or they might try to spend it all).

Yes, it's best not to base returns on bad deals from the past, like the Monahan deal or some of the rentals that Toronto did in the past few years (Foligno).

[dino7c]

"so and so traded X for a player years ago and it worked out terrible for them so why didn't the Flames just get someone to do that!"

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by ah123

Not sure if it was posted already, Jim Nill has high praise for Grushnikov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dg5ssxYCYVs

For anyone who hasn't watched it yet, Nill talks about Grushnikov right after the 5:00 mark.

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

https://twitter.com/AHLWranglers/sta...37650819625247

Kid looks good wearing red and white.

[CSharp]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

For anyone who hasn't watched it yet, Nill talks about Grushnikov right after the 5:00 mark.

For anyone who wants to get right to that 5:03 time frame, here's the link:

Youtube on Jim Nill and Grush

I hope Grush will turn out as what Jim Nills said.

[bax]

Seeing some people online bashing Conroy for not taking Ceci + first saying that they could turn around and dump Ceci for a third rounder.

Are these people crazy? Ceci is a full on cap dump, nobody is paying for him let alone taking him for free.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

On the 32 thoughts podcast today Friedman said he believes the Flames took a last crack at signing Tanev recently but couldn't reach a deal.

I appreciate Tanev forcing our hand.

I have heard a deal may already be in place and Tanev chose to go for a playoff run and will be back next year …. Take it for what it is worth !

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by bax

Seeing some people online bashing Conroy for not taking Ceci + first saying that they could turn around and dump Ceci for a third rounder.

Are these people crazy? Ceci is a full on cap dump, nobody is paying for him let alone taking him for free.

If he has that kind of value, the Oilers can simply trade him, get the 3rd, open the cap space, then go get the player they want. But they haven't, because he doesn't.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by bax

Seeing some people online bashing Conroy for not taking Ceci + first saying that they could turn around and dump Ceci for a third rounder.

Are these people crazy? Ceci is a full on cap dump, nobody is paying for him let alone taking him for free.

What if he’s worth a third or a 4th at the deadline next year though? You could get a pick for Ceci before you get to make the 3rd round pick from the Zadorov trade.

I just don’t think the Ceci cap dump is so bad especially for the Flames who right now have Oesterle in the top 6 and that’s before a Hanifin trade.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Sorry if this was already posted. I never noticed CapFriendly posts scouting reports. Came across this.

https://www.capfriendly.com/scouting...shnikov-425702

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

What if he’s worth a third or a 4th at the deadline next year though? You could get a pick for Ceci before you get to make the 3rd round pick from the Zadorov trade.

I just don’t think the Ceci cap dump is so bad especially for the Flames who right now have Oesterle in the top 6 and that’s before a Hanifin trade.

You also have to pay Ceci/use the cap space on him until then. I'm really hoping they take the Montreal side of the Monahan equivalent trade this summer, and I'd like them to have the cap/budget to make that happen.