Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[CaptainCrunch]

This screams I don’t want to get elected. You don’t say this out loud to the voters in the Toronto suburb.

He doesn't need to get re-elected, he's probably not even interested in getting re-elected. He's established some serious bonifides as the environment minister of a G-7 country. He'll be pursued by every environmental think tank and lobbying group on the planet. He'll probably go work for Gerald Butts company though I can't see a Federal Govt under PP continuing to send it grants.


He'll do public speaking on the rich and famous circuit.



Its funny, but I still can't understand how a convicted felon who evaded paying taxes was ever allowed to sit in the house?

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by GGG

This screams I don’t want to get elected. You don’t say this out loud to the voters in the Toronto suburb.

Environment Minister isn't wrong though. EV's just give people a false sense of a social license to put more cars on the road because 'green'. And it does nothing to solve the weight issues of these vehicles, which are still significantly larger vehicles on the roads now than they were 40 years ago. Sure as hell doesn't solve traffic congestion either.

I live in Toronto. There's tons of EVs out here (far more than Alberta per capita for sure), and to be honest I think most reasonable people here would probably agree it's not a silver bullet solution. But that isn't going to prevent Ontarians from buying EVs.

Ask the GTA suburbs what they want more - new highways and cars (which there is huge resistance to the development of the 413), or better service from GO and Metrolinx via train service.

[Wormius]

Don’t mess with rmillions. That’s a feud that won’t end well.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its funny, but I still can't understand how a convicted felon who evaded paying taxes was ever allowed to sit in the house?

The fact that he’s not a “felon” and he was convicted of a crime of scaling a building, not murdering someone, probably helped most normal people get over that aspect.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

Maybe none of the 500000 new Canadians will drive.

Props for targeting immigrants.

Signed

An Immigrant

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Azure

Immigration at record high levels, to the point of breaking our country.

Public transit very much not available, and obviously an issue with record high immigration levels.

What do the Liberals say?

"No new roads."

I mean, its probably more complex than that, but are they intentionally trying to torpedo their own government?

I'm very certain I could pick 10 people from CP and put them in charge of Canada and they would do a MUCH better job.

I'll start with the people I have blocked.

PepsiFree as PM. Instant improvement over our gong show of a government.

Holy. Sh-t. It just clicked for me. I can't believe it took this long.

Azure is Rick Bell.

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Props for targeting immigrants.

Signed

An Immigrant

... who drives, so you're proving his point. An increase in population will require an increase in available infrastructure including roads, no matter where that population comes from.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Azure

Are those all the people that live rent free in your head?

Some of them haven't posted in forever, so must be.

lol! so much free rent! I need to realize faux outrage like you do!

"I'm not a right winger!!!" sniff sniff. haha

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

who drives, so you're proving his point. An increase in population will require an increase in available infrastructure including roads, no matter where that population comes from.

Which can still come from Provincial and Municipal funding. If a province wants transportation infrastructure help, the Feds will still give funding for mass transit initiatives to keep up with population growth, but they won't be helping with roads. That doesn't mean roads won't get built, just that the Federal government won't be assisting in the costs.

Our road systems in this country are adequate, our mass transit it not. That's where our money should be spent, not to increase the number of vehicles on the road.

I applaud this move. Less roads, better mass transit and more 15 minute cities. This has to be the future if we want to tackle the climate issue.

[Nufy]

When was the last time the feds contributed to a major highway construction project?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Nufy

When was the last time the feds contributed to a major highway construction project?

I assume a lot of the BC TCH work is at least partially funded, this bit was:


https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2023MOTI0111-001206


I do wonder if how he said it was more of a general principle they want to follow, vs a hard and fast no none ever. Presumably they have responsibilities for road in the Parks, or up north where government support is needed more. Connecting remote reserves in provinces may fall into Federal costs as well, so I suspect a hard rule would have plenty of push back spots.

[Ozy_Flame]

The more I think about this, the more I like it. Feds should be less involved in road building and push wider infrastructure for EV charging, pedestrian and micro-transit options, and most importantly, growing and scaling the public transit networks rapidly in conjunction with the provinces and cities. Trains, trains and more trains, baby.

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Props for targeting immigrants.

Signed

An Immigrant

Targeting immigrants? C’mon.

Guess I was targeting all people turning 16 as well.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The more I think about this, the more I like it. Feds should be less involved in road building and push wider infrastructure for EV charging, pedestrian and micro-transit options, and most importantly, growing and scaling the public transit networks rapidly in conjunction with the provinces and cities. Trains, trains and more trains, baby.

How are municipalities and provinces going to pay for massive and very necessary projects like Stoney Trail (the feds pumped in $580M) or improving dated and dangerous sections of the trans Canada highway (like Golden BC) without federal funding which was $215M in this case? Growing cities and towns are going to need new roads and more importantly, improved roads, even if you are improving transit and ride sharing etc at the same time.

This money is going to start coming right out of provincial budgets which just means more cuts to services and likely more reliance on toll roads (yay!) to make up the gaps. Trains work in certain areas, but you're not moving dense populations across very minimal distances in Canada except in a few select regions.

[burn_this_city]

So they'll never contribute to twinning the TCH through the mountains?

[Ozy_Flame]

That's existing network; the TCH would be maintained, as implied by Guilbeault.

[Manhattanboy]

So they will commit to completing the twinning of the Trans Canada Highway?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Nufy

When was the last time the feds contributed to a major highway construction project?

Didn't the feds contribute $0.5b to the Calgary ring road?

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The more I think about this, the more I like it. Feds should be less involved in road building and push wider infrastructure for EV charging, pedestrian and micro-transit options, and most importantly, growing and scaling the public transit networks rapidly in conjunction with the provinces and cities. Trains, trains and more trains, baby.

The Environment Minister is anti-vehicle altogether so he doesn't support gasoline or electric options. As such, I'm certain he is actively pushing for less investment in national EV charging and associated electrical system upgrades to accommodate increased demand from EVs.

[Nufy]

So there aren't really any "New" roads being planned anyways...

Political Statement that has no substance ?

We need a new highway from City A to B...

Nope...But we can assist in upgrading the existing county road between the two...

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

No more new roads from the federal Liberals:


https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...ven-guilbeault

This is where the federal cabinet breaks down. You have more than half of ministers (Wilkensen, Champagne, Ng) making public promises to allies about resource development, devoting 100s of millions or even billions to resource development projects, but then one ####### in there saying #### like this. HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET TO ALL OF THE RESOURCES WITHOUT NEW ROADS?

This idiot wants us all to convert to battery cars and doesn't understand at all where the materials to do that come from.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

The more I think about this, the more I like it. Feds should be less involved in road building and push wider infrastructure for EV charging, pedestrian and micro-transit options, and most importantly, growing and scaling the public transit networks rapidly in conjunction with the provinces and cities. Trains, trains and more trains, baby.

Rail transit has become too expensive and slow to build to make much of a difference anymore. The Green Line that was originally pitched back in 2015 was supposed to open for service this year; now it probably won't even begin major construction since the 30% design package was only looked at in January.