Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[calgarygeologist]

It would be awesome if more people seriously considered the Alberta Party. They are coming right up the middle and are a sensible choice for many people. It is true that they won't win this election and they likely won't even win a seat but they need the support to continue to build and potentially become a viable choice in the next go around. Without support for tertiary parties we'll continue to spiral to a two party system which is not something we should be encouraging.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It would be awesome if more people seriously considered the Alberta Party. They are coming right up the middle and are a sensible choice for many people. It is true that they won't win this election and they likely won't even win a seat but they need the support to continue to build and potentially become a viable choice in the next go around. Without support for tertiary parties we'll continue to spiral to a two party system which is not something we should be encouraging.

They're further left than the ANDP.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It would be awesome if more people seriously considered the Alberta Party. They are coming right up the middle and are a sensible choice for many people. It is true that they won't win this election and they likely won't even win a seat but they need the support to continue to build and potentially become a viable choice in the next go around. Without support for tertiary parties we'll continue to spiral to a two party system which is not something we should be encouraging.

Wait, there are two parties in alberta?

[iggy_oi]

Surprised but also not surprised that there were only two questions regarding the labour code and one of them only affected people not old enough to vote.

[Kickazzflames]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

No questions on health care, excepting the one regarding the role of privatization. Really, today, I plan to vote for the party that can deliver the best plan for health care, and I don't know what that is.

There was four related to healthcare, but the one you mentioned was the only relevant to the healthcare system. (One was Child Vaccination, Illegal Drugs at Consumption sites, and a MAIDs question)

My critical topics are Housing/Cost of Living, Health Care and Energy Policy. Actually hearing someone with a real climate plan would be a breath of fresh air instead of just trying to tax the problem away.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

https://votecompass.cbc.ca/alberta2023


Vote Compass is up. Time for Conservative voters to see how embarrassingly close they get to NDP values.


My results

Spoiler!

How much you agree with the parties
How much you agree with the parties

Green Party of Alberta 81%

Alberta Liberal Party 73%

Alberta Party 73%

Alberta New Democratic Party 68%

United Conservative Party of Alberta 24%

Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta 22%

I guess I have to vote green.

Wow I am surprised

How much you agree with the parties


Green Party of Alberta (GRN)
73%


Alberta Liberal Party (LIB)
72%

Alberta Party (AP)
72%

Alberta New Democratic Party (NDP)
67%

United Conservative Party of Alberta (UCP)
28%

Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta (WIP)
23

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They're further left than the ANDP.

No, not necessarily and probably not as a whole. They are right in some policies and left in some policies. In general, they are making the sensible choices for direction overall when it comes to the broad issues of economy, environment, health care and education.

[GGG]

I thought the questions were worse this year

Federal government policies are more to blame for the rising cost of living than is price gouging by big corporations.

In particular the false choices given like this one.

Or the false choice of royalty revenues being used to pay down debt or fund social programs. The better questions would be Oil revenues should not be used to fund the operational requirements of government or All oil revenues should be saved in a heritage fund with only investment proceeds being spent.

No question should be a choice between two options

As usual socially in line with NDP and Fiscally in line with the conservatives. But I think a lot of that is bad question framing and missing questions.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They're further left than the ANDP.

It strikes me that the NDP answered as center right as they could on this poll to try grab more votes.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It would be awesome if more people seriously considered the Alberta Party. They are coming right up the middle and are a sensible choice for many people. It is true that they won't win this election and they likely won't even win a seat but they need the support to continue to build and potentially become a viable choice in the next go around. Without support for tertiary parties we'll continue to spiral to a two party system which is not something we should be encouraging.

I think this was a reasonable position on the last election when the NDP didn’t have much of a chance to win and voting for future options could have made things better today.

However in this election if you are in Calgary your job is to make a choice and not punt.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

They're further left than the ANDP.

This is another example of where labelling parties as left or right on a made up spectrum fails.

The Alberta party is more progressive than they were during the last election but I haven’t seen anything from them suggesting they’re going to do much to fix things like the labour code. Haven’t been able to find much on how they plan to adjust the tax code so that we actually have the revenue necessary to get projects going while meaningfully and sustainably paying down the debt either.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

This is another example of where labelling parties as left or right on a made up spectrum fails.

The Alberta party is more progressive than they were during the last election but I haven’t seen anything from them suggesting they’re going to do much to fix things like the labour code. Haven’t been able to find much on how they plan to adjust the tax code so that we actually have the revenue necessary to get projects going while meaningfully and sustainably paying down the debt either.

It might be too light on details for you but look at their policy book/document (https://assets.nationbuilder.com/abp...pdf?1675179105) if you haven't already done so:

Alberta Fiscal Policy - Revenues
● The Alberta Party will reduce personal income taxes on low- and medium-income earners by
increasing the basic personal exemption;
● The Alberta Party will increase the marginal tax rate of the highest income earners;
● The Alberta Party will support Small Businesses in Alberta by increasing the income tax
deduction limit;
● The Alberta Party will keep the Corporate Tax Rate at the current %;
● The Alberta Party will investigate the introduction of a combined Harmonized Sales Tax (HST)
with the federal GST. Further that any introduction of a sales tax would not happen until the
current financial crisis (in regards to increased inflation and the effects on Albertans) has been
rectified.
○ The HST will have a rebate for low-income individuals similar to that of the current
GST.
○ The provincial part of the sales tax, a portion will be directed towards debt repayment
and the remaining part will be added to general revenues to fund program
expenditures
● The Alberta Party will re-introduce a made-in-Alberta, provincial carbon tax with the same
emission reduction targets as the federal program. Further that this carbon tax will include a
rebate for low-income Albertans, municipalities, school boards, nonprofit entities and rural,
remote residents including a farm fuel exemption.

Government Finance
● An Alberta Party government would implement a progressive personal income tax in
Alberta.
● An Alberta Party government would investigate models for alternate sources for government
revenue.
● An Alberta Party government would phase out, over time, Alberta’s small business tax.

Helping Alberta’s Working Poor with a Wage Top-up
An Alberta Party Government would:
1. Conduct a thorough review of existing poverty reduction programs and produce a
comprehensive plan to support Alberta’s working poor.
2. As part of this plan, introduce a wage top-up program that will provide the
working poor with targeted benefits while maintaining the incentive to work.

[timun]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Not to respond to Yoho - but who is lib-media in Alberta? All the papers are owned by Post media, Danielle Smith had/has a radio show so I can't imagine its a radio station. Is it just the CBC?

Originally Posted by sketchyt

lib-media = any media he disagrees with.

From "Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5":

Originally Posted by timun

Conservative propaganda ≠ reality
Conservative propaganda ≠ Liberal propaganda
∴ reality = Liberal propaganda

Frankly it's at the heart of the use of "mainstream media" as a conservative shibboleth, and it's right out of Joseph Goebbels's playbook; read up about the "Lügenpresse"...

[woob]

It was great seeing all the NDP signs pop up over the weekend. Also nice to see 7 of my close neighbours with them too!

[Lubicon]

Originally Posted by woob

It was great seeing all the NDP signs pop up over the weekend. Also nice to see 7 of my close neighbours with them too!

Came home yesterday (Tuscany) to see the community littered with NDP signs. Counted probably 20-25 including 1/2 dozen on our street. Still early (election had not even been called yet) but there was not a single sign for any other party.

[Fuzz]

Ya, it seems the NDP jumped the gun on sign deployment. Probably gambled it was worth the risk of fines, since they have more money than they can spend(so do the UCP). And if there is any pushback, they can point to all of Danielle's campaigning at govenrment funding announcements.

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by woob

It was great seeing all the NDP signs pop up over the weekend. Also nice to see 7 of my close neighbours with them too!

Rachel and her husband just put ours up about 20 mins ago.

[#-3]

Vote Compass is always fun, I just barely missed dead center of the graph.

Alberta Liberal Party
79%

Alberta New Democratic Party
77%

Alberta Party
73%

Green Party of Alberta
69%

United Conservative Party of Alberta
37%

Wildrose Independence Party of Alberta
31%

I assume they are the leaders of the other 3 parties, but my opinion of them is, I don't know who they hell these people are and really don't care.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It might be too light on details for you but look at their policy book/document (https://assets.nationbuilder.com/abp...pdf?1675179105) if you haven't already done so:

Thanks I was trying to find that on their website.

[cSpooge]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, it seems the NDP jumped the gun on sign deployment. Probably gambled it was worth the risk of fines, since they have more money than they can spend(so do the UCP). And if there is any pushback, they can point to all of Danielle's campaigning at govenrment funding announcements.

As long as the signs are on private property there is no issue with them being up. The rules about when/where signs can go up only apply to public property.