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Old 09-01-2017, 07:04 AM   #8721
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I realize in the grand scheme of things this is inconsequential, but considering he so badly wanted to see Obama's birth certificate, and consider he still hasn't proven he can spell at a fourth grade level, we should be demanding proof that he got his grade four.

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Old 09-01-2017, 07:20 AM   #8722
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I realize in the grand scheme of things this is inconsequential, but considering he so badly wanted to see Obama's birth certificate, and consider he still hasn't proven he can spell at a fourth grade level, we should be demanding proof that he got his grade four.

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Old 09-01-2017, 07:26 AM   #8723
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Also, during a disaster like this, why not talk about what Fox news said about Hillary this morning.

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No, it's generally the opposite of that. Gerrymandering is designed to maximize your side's vote efficiency and minimize your opponent's vote efficiency.

This NC diagram provides a decent visualization of this: notice how of the many Republican seats, the victory margins are relatively small compared to the Democrat seats. Republicans allow the Dems to have landslide victories in three districts, while giving themselves comparatively narrow wins in 10. But all but a couple of those districts would be at risk in a wave election. Whereas a non-gerrymandered approach would give the Republicans at least 1 fewer seat right now, but also give them a couple more wave-proof seats.

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This actually argues against your point. According to the charts a huge number of democratic votes are concentrated in 3 districts so are out of play in the others. If things were more evenly distributed the margins of victory would be even smaller and some additional districts would be lost. This would make the GOP even more at risk in a wave election, not less.
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Good tweet response to Fox state media's accusations about Comey that Trump tweeted about (getting his policy from Fox again).

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McCain is at it again. This is from an op-ed he just wrote for the Washington Post. Trump Twitter meltdown in 3...2...1...

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Friend of mine is at a naturalization ceremony today in California and the video they played before the ceremony a welcoming for our new Americans from President Barack Obama. Apparently Trump hasn't yet recorded a similar video.
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McCain is at it again. This is from an op-ed he just wrote for the Washington Post. Trump Twitter meltdown in 3...2...1...

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How is Trump going to see something written in the Washington Post?
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Friend of mine is at a naturalization ceremony today in California and the video they played before the ceremony a welcoming for our new Americans from President Barack Obama. Apparently Trump hasn't yet recorded a similar video.
My guess is Trump chose to prioritize the filming of the deportation video.
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How is Trump going to see something written in the Washington Post?
Trump has someone read the Washington Post and failing New York Times every day just to see what they're saying about him.
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Well this should be interesting.



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The May letter had been met with opposition from Donald F. McGahn II, the White House counsel, who believed that some of its contents were problematic, according to interviews with a dozen administration officials and others briefed on the matter.

Mr. McGahn successfully blocked the president from sending Mr. Comey the letter, which Mr. Trump had composed with Stephen Miller, one of the president’s top political advisers. A different letter, written by the deputy attorney general, Rod J. Rosenstein, and focused on Mr. Comey’s handling of the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s private email server, was ultimately sent to the F.B.I. director on the day he was fired.
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Old 09-01-2017, 02:37 PM   #8734
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Any guess on a realistic timeline for when we start to see trials (is that even the right word?) for all this stuff? I'm hoping a few months, but I'm dreading it's probably over a year.
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Any guess on a realistic timeline for when we start to see trials (is that even the right word?) for all this stuff? I'm hoping a few months, but I'm dreading it's probably over a year.
Brace yourself for dread. My guess would be at least a year unless they find a smoking gun. IMO he will be declared mentally unfit and unconditionally pardoned before any trial happens.
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Any guess on a realistic timeline for when we start to see trials (is that even the right word?) for all this stuff? I'm hoping a few months, but I'm dreading it's probably over a year.
I don't think Mueller can charge Trump for any actions while carrying out the duty of president. So Mueller can find that Trump obstructed justice but it doesn't matter as the only remedy is impeachment.

For actions during the campaign he can be charged criminally but it is a little unclear if you can actually proceed to Trial against him and whether or not he could just Pardon himself. I believe yes you could prosecute for crimes committed before entering office and yes he could Pardon himself preemptively.

Fornthe undelings the pardoning of Arpio likely sends a signal to shut up and Ill take care of you. So if charges are laid in any of those case Trump has the ability to Pardon any of them.

So in the end you have to hope a Mueller bomb comes out with enough force that the house republicans will move to impeach. But for timing I'd bet before midterms next year
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Fornthe undelings the pardoning of Arpio likely sends a signal to shut up and Ill take care of you. So if charges are laid in any of those case Trump has the ability to Pardon any of them.

So in the end you have to hope a Mueller bomb comes out with enough force that the house republicans will move to impeach. But for timing I'd bet before midterms next year
While technically true the president can only pardon federal crimes, this is why Mueller working with state AGs is particularly interesting. If individual states brings charges against trump surrogates there's nothing he can do to help them.
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I don't think Mueller can charge Trump for any actions while carrying out the duty of president. So Mueller can find that Trump obstructed justice but it doesn't matter as the only remedy is impeachment.

For actions during the campaign he can be charged criminally but it is a little unclear if you can actually proceed to Trial against him and whether or not he could just Pardon himself. I believe yes you could prosecute for crimes committed before entering office and yes he could Pardon himself preemptively.

Fornthe undelings the pardoning of Arpio likely sends a signal to shut up and Ill take care of you. So if charges are laid in any of those case Trump has the ability to Pardon any of them.

So in the end you have to hope a Mueller bomb comes out with enough force that the house republicans will move to impeach. But for timing I'd bet before midterms next year
So, forgive my ignorance, what we're looking at here is likely a bunch of Trump campaign staffers being charged with aiding a foreign power in election influences, and because of that Donald Trump could likely be impeached?

I guess my question is, how will this news come to us? Will it be Mueller publicly declaring the charges of these individuals? Will they be called to congressional hearings like the others have been or will they be criminal trials?

I just want the truth so bad!
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yeah I see the staffers getting charged, Trump pardoning them to keep them quiet and then Trump getting impeached.

In theory an impeachment proceeding in the house and trial in the senate would be public with all the evidence presented but I worry that everything will be classified.
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yeah I see the staffers getting charged, Trump pardoning them to keep them quiet and then Trump getting impeached.
A pardon will be useless in Trump protecting himself. The FBI will already have built the case for charges, meaning they will have evidence of wrong doing. With the FBI coordinating with state AGs, the ability to pardon goes out the window as well. The FBI can build the case, share the evidence with the states, files charges at both federal and state level, and watch the dominoes drop. Mueller is building a case that will not only end Trump as President, but end Trump and his businesses. Trump may be able to prevent himself or his cronies from going to prison on federal raps, but they will all have had their assets seized and left flat bust. Then the state will step in and start laying charges and seize what crumbs are left. This is going to be entertaining to watch unfold.
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