Tij Iginla ranked No. 10 overall by Bob McKenzie for 2024 NHL Draft

[topfiverecords]

I hope the Flames take Iginla and Detroit takes Eiserman. If Buffalo wants Connelly that would be fun too.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

So sanctimonious and disingenuous, as always.

Literally any time someone posts something new about Tij you're in here trying to throw cold water over it within 5 posts.

I'm a good example, I started the season low on Tij and could care, but as it went on he climbed up my rankings quick. Literally has nothing to do with his name; he was a top performing player on a good WHL team and showed notable growth over the season. He's one of the youngest players in this draft. He scores big goals and plays in tough situations consistently. He is scrappy and wins puck battles far more often than he loses. He's hard to get off the puck. And he has a great shot.

There are people in this thread who are blind to his actual qualities because of the name plate he has on. IMO far more who are blindly against than are blindly for.

Oh yes, Monahammer knows more than pro scouts and would take Tij Iginla at #2. That amount of idiocy is why we can all be thankful you are not our GM. The player is fine anywhere from 8-15. He is a good goal scorer but isn't dominant, his defensive game can use some work, he has some grit but isn't a PF like his dad was. You constantly go on tilt because you love the name so much which is not how anyone in their right mind would actually draft. The BPA at 2 would not be Iginla, no chance. I mean didn't you just say you would take Dickinson over Demidov? Have you even watched these players??

[dissentowner]

I stand corrected, it was Buium you would take 2nd in one thread while also stating you would also take Tij at #2. That would be an interesting trick.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Oh yes, Monahammer knows more than pro scouts and would take Tij Iginla at #2. That amount of idiocy is why we can all be thankful you are not our GM. The player is fine anywhere from 8-15. He is a good goal scorer but isn't dominant, his defensive game can use some work, he has some grit but isn't a PF like his dad was. You constantly go on tilt because you love the name so much which is not how anyone in their right mind would actually draft. The BPA at 2 would not be Iginla, no chance. I mean didn't you just say you would take Dickinson over Demidov? Have you even watched these players??

Why does he need to be like his dad? He is his own player, and looking like he is going to be a good one.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Why does he need to be like his dad? He is his own player, and looking like he is going to be a good one.

I never said he needs to be like his dad, he won't be. I said he isn't a PF like his dad. I have never once pushed back on Iginla being a good player, I have pushed back on a few posters who are saying we have to draft him no matter what. The team to me means more than some novelty of drafting the son of the best player to play for us. You take the BPA regardless of his name. At #2 Tij Iginla is not that player.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I never said he needs to be like his dad, he won't be. I said he isn't a PF like his dad. I have never once pushed back on Iginla being a good player, I have pushed back on a few posters who are saying we have to draft him no matter what. The team to me means more than some novelty of drafting the son of the best player to play for us. You take the BPA regardless of his name. At #2 Tij Iginla is not that player.

I don't think you should worry about him being taken 2nd by the Flames.

It's a fun story though, and he could be the BPA at our pick. He is placed right in our mix.

I personally want a defenceman, but if Tij is who they have we take him.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

I don't think you should worry about him being taken 2nd by the Flames.

It's a fun story though, and he could be the BPA at our pick. He is placed right in our mix.

I personally want a defenceman, but if Tij is who they have we take him.

I never once said he couldn't be the BPA at our pick. I did say I think it is a better situation if he was drafted before we pick because it solves a lot of dilemma. I also said if he is there at 9 I think the Flames will draft him at 9. The only time I have pushed back on Tij is when posters go off tilt about him because of who his father was, like our friend Monahammer.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I never once said he couldn't be the BPA at our pick. I did say I think it is a better situation if he was drafted before we pick because it solves a lot of dilemma. I also said if he is there at 9 I think the Flames will draft him at 9. The only time I have pushed back on Tij is when posters go off tilt about him because of who his father was, like our friend Monahammer.

Why are "we" scared of a dilemma? Isn't ordering players 7-12 generally a dilemma anyways? This one just comes with some extra internal conversation about one particular player in that range.

BPA is still just a lot of opinion, before and short term after the draft.

You'll never know what order the team's board was. You'll never know if they went next player on their list, or deviated.

You'll never know where they ranked Iginla. Did they have him 8th? Did they have him 9th? Did they have him 12th? Where did they have who they take ranked? All of that matters in determining how to grill them from the outside after the fact if it doesn't go the way you want it to, but you and everyone else will always be making baseless judgements about Flames management and scouts on draft day.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I never once said he couldn't be the BPA at our pick. I did say I think it is a better situation if he was drafted before we pick because it solves a lot of dilemma. I also said if he is there at 9 I think the Flames will draft him at 9. The only time I have pushed back on Tij is when posters go off tilt about him because of who his father was, like our friend Monahammer.

You also just assume people want him because of his name, when I pointed out the reasons I like him you basically called me a liar even know I’ve been touting him for months on his playing ability not his name.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

You also just assume people want him because of his name, when I pointed out the reasons I like him you basically called me a liar even know I’ve been touting him for months on his playing ability not his name.

I didn't call you a liar. However if you say you would take Iginla no matter what I question what the motives for that are. If it isn't the name then maybe you have not seen enough of the other players. I have never pushed back on anyone wanting the player if they think he is the BPA at 9. If someone wants the player regardless of where we draft or whom is available what other explanation is there besides it is Jarome's son?

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Oh yes, Monahammer knows more than pro scouts and would take Tij Iginla at #2. That amount of idiocy is why we can all be thankful you are not our GM. The player is fine anywhere from 8-15. He is a good goal scorer but isn't dominant, his defensive game can use some work, he has some grit but isn't a PF like his dad was. You constantly go on tilt because you love the name so much which is not how anyone in their right mind would actually draft. The BPA at 2 would not be Iginla, no chance. I mean didn't you just say you would take Dickinson over Demidov? Have you even watched these players??

Lets concentrate on what's important here on a message board. At least one or none or both of you will be able to say you were right....and that's really the most important part of life, being right in the past.

[butterfly]

“I never once said this”, “Liar liar”, let’s celebrate meaningless wins so we have a worse BPA. But if Tij is the BPA we are in a dilemma.

Think I have my mind about right.

[Niemo]

I still want Buium to "fall" to us.

I'm concerned Silayev is the faller and not enough people in the top 8 want Iginla/Helenius/Other.

I am assuming there's not much way Conroy takes Eiserman.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I didn't call you a liar. However if you say you would take Iginla no matter what I question what the motives for that are. If it isn't the name then maybe you have not seen enough of the other players. I have never pushed back on anyone wanting the player if they think he is the BPA at 9. If someone wants the player regardless of where we draft or whom is available what other explanation is there besides it is Jarome's son?

You said something like “I’m not buying what you’re selling” and I have never said no matter what, I have stated he was my 4th best forward in the draft, all though after his playoff and U18 he is now 3rd on my list.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Niemo

I still want Buium to "fall" to us.

I'm concerned Silayev is the faller and not enough people in the top 8 want Iginla/Helenius/Other.

I am assuming there's not much way Conroy takes Eiserman.

I think Silayev goes top 5 and it won't be an issue. He's got too many unique attributes that NHL GMs looooooooooooooooooooooooove

[Bourque's Twin]

I don’t think any teams will take Silayev ahead of Levshunov, Parekh, Buium, or Dickinson but could easily be wrong. Silayev is a rare prospect.

We know by #9, it’s pretty much guaranteed that Celebrini and Levhsunov are gone.

Unless the Flames fall to 10 or 11, they will get one of Demidov, Lindstrom, Catton, Iginla, Parekh, Buium, or Dickinson. I’m a happy camper with that outcome even though I really want Iginla.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

You said something like “I’m not buying what you’re selling” and I have never said no matter what, I have stated he was my 4th best forward in the draft, all though after his playoff and U18 he is now 3rd on my list.

No, I pushed back on your statement that an NHL scout said what equates to Iginla being the second best player in the draft. If I said I am not buying what you are selling perhaps I should have said I am not buying what that scout is selling.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think Silayev goes top 5 and it won't be an issue. He's got too many unique attributes that NHL GMs looooooooooooooooooooooooove

I agree with this.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I stand corrected, it was Buium you would take 2nd in one thread while also stating you would also take Tij at #2. That would be an interesting trick.

And would speed up the rebuild.

Of course, SJ, or whoever, would select Calibrini and Demidov at #1.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by shutout

Bob polls 10 scouts.
Each team probably has ten scouts each.
Assuming he is just talking to NHL team scouts and not those with central scouting. There is roughly 350 scouts out there and is consensus list is from 2.5% of those with an opinion.

10 head scouts....so that consensus is from all the scouts from that particular team.....is what i understood.