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Locke · 07-23-2014, 10:03 AM

We should abolish school and playground zones entirely and force kids to watch out for themselves.

Old school Carmageddon style!

REDVAN · 07-23-2014, 10:04 AM

My new house there does have vinyl siding lol

polak · 07-23-2014, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

To clarify, I'm not condoning jerkbags who go 20 under on Deerfoot, but the existence of slow drivers doesn't excuse the ####s who blow through playground zones, run reds, weave through traffic at 140, and other "MY TIME IS SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOURS" morons.

People wouldn't have to weave through traffic at 140 if you would just keep right except to pass...

polak · 07-23-2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Locke

We should abolish school and playground zones entirely and force kids to watch out for themselves.

Old school Carmageddon style!

Most places in the world don't have playground zones. School zones yes, but not playground zones.

Playground zones in Calgary are especially dumb. How often is the playground 400, 500 meters away from the road and seperated by a fence or a large hill?

Resolute 14 · 07-23-2014, 10:08 AM

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Airdrie has 30km/h in all residential areas.

It's only a matter of time Calgary does it too.

Not really applicable because, other than Big Springs Drive, almost none of the roads that exist within residential areas in Airdrie are used as commuter routes. There is no hope in hell of a road like Elbow Drive ever being reduced to 30. Even the part that is 40 is downright silly.

Erick Estrada · 07-23-2014, 10:11 AM

I'm kind of surprised by the outrage. Why do people feel so inconvenience to reduce speed for a couple of blocks in what is typically a residential area anyway where nobody should be travelling overly fast?

fundmark19 · 07-23-2014, 10:11 AM

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Airdrie has 30km/h in all residential areas.

It's only a matter of time Calgary does it too.

Cochrane is the same thing. I honestly don't mind it as you don't really need to go faster then 30 on side streets.

PsYcNeT · 07-23-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

People wouldn't have to weave through traffic at 140 if you would just keep right except to pass...

Bull####. Some people are just #######s. "YEAH BRO CHECK OUT MY SUPERCHARGER, OPENIN' THIS #### UP IN TRAFFIC LIKE HARDCORE!"

As an aside, I generally keep right anyway because I'm lazy, drive chill and leave early.

Ben_in_Canada · 07-23-2014, 10:17 AM

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But honestly normalizing the two things makes complete sense (especially with the numerous after school activities that run late nowadays). Argue about 9 being too late but it's a heck of a lot better than having to know when the sun went down to know if you can go faster or not. One time frame, all year makes the most sense.

This is where I land, if you were caught speeding not having to argue that the sun went down at 5:30 vs 5:50.
The majority of areas I'll see these are in 50k zones so 30k for a block or two isn't going to bother me.

Mazrim · 07-23-2014, 10:20 AM

Why does a park with a 8 foot high fence against the road need a playground zone anyway?

Part of the issue I see with playground zones in general is about driver expectation. They expect there to be a good reason to have a playground zone extend for multiple blocks (hi Elbow Drive) when only a portion is actually abutting the road, and when that expectation isn't met, how does that encourage people to actually consider the signs appropriate?

The money would have been better spent building appropriate traffic calming (not speed bumps, but curb bulbs, reduced lane widths, and so on) over arbitrary numbers being set in an attempt to look safe. BC got it right with the recent speed limit changes on their highways. Aside from one section, there was no geometric design issues restricting the speed limits on all those roads they upped. We overdesign roads and then wonder why people speed, huh?

normtwofinger · 07-23-2014, 10:22 AM

Why not have 2 sets of times, summer ends at 9pm and winter ends at 5 or 6pm? Too logical?

undercoverbrother · 07-23-2014, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

Most places in the world don't have playground zones. School zones yes, but not playground zones.

Playground zones in Calgary are especially dumb. How often is the playground 400, 500 meters away from the road and seperated by a fence or a large hill?

There are a lot of things that "most places in the world" doesn't have:

peace
Good government
Good Universal health
Strong social safety net

calgarygeologist · 07-23-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by polak

Playground zones in Calgary are especially dumb. How often is the playground 400, 500 meters away from the road and seperated by a fence or a large hill?

This might be the case in the YOP guzzling, new, suburban sub-divisions but in the older, established communities in Calgary the playgrounds are almost always less than 100m from the roadways and if there is any sort of fencing it is that old school steel wire spanning between wooden posts about 3 feet off the ground. It really does nothing to keep kids inside of a playground area.

I'm surprised so many people have a lot of resentment towards playground and school zones.

ernie · 07-23-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mazrim

Why does a park with a 8 foot high fence against the road need a playground zone anyway?

Kids do have to get in and out of the playground...

Kids are also, well, careless and do stupid things. Like climb 8 foot tall fences. Walk on roads around playgrounds. Dart into traffic....

Resolute 14 · 07-23-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

As an aside, I generally keep right anyway because I'm lazy, drive chill and leave early.

ben voyonsdonc · 07-23-2014, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

There are a lot of things that "most places in the world" doesn't have:

peace
Good government
Good Universal health
Strong social safety net

Except most places in Canada don't have playground zones.

Mazrim · 07-23-2014, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ernie

Kids do have to get in and out of the playground...

Kids are also, well, careless and do stupid things. Like climb 8 foot tall fences. Walk on roads around playgrounds. Dart into traffic....

Most playgrounds have alternate entrances into the community it is adjacent to, or in most cases, the side roads are where all the houses these kids are coming from.

The sidewalk on the other side of the fence is the same 1 block and 5 blocks away from the playground. What's stopping kids from walking on the roads elsewhere or darting into traffic? I can't say I've seen a difference in behavior on a sidewalk because it's adjacent to a playground.

undercoverbrother · 07-23-2014, 10:28 AM

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Except most places in Canada also don't have playground zones as well.

Fair point, but to me it is nothing to slow down for what 100-200 metres.

PsYcNeT · 07-23-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Passive Aggressive Picture

Lead by example I always say.

ernie · 07-23-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by normtwofinger

Why not have 2 sets of times, summer ends at 9pm and winter ends at 5 or 6pm? Too logical?

I don't understand how that is logical. It's not like the sun one day says "well enough with being in the sky for 16 hours, I'll only be up there for 8 hours today"

Nor is it logical to assume that kids all of a sudden stop playing at 5 pm just because it's winter (I sure as hell didn't...winters were just as late given road hockey on tennis courts or whatever).

So why is it logical to say "on November 1 to March 30 the time is this and from April 1 to Oct 30 it's this"? Why not November 15th? What constitutes "winter"?

The logical thing is to have one time all year round so there is no confusion whatsoever.