[News] Kevin Hayes signs with the Rangers

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I don't know. Everywhere I read the flames are never mentioned. I sort of think him coming here is more of a pipe dream.

But honestly I'm not that high on the kid, and I think we have better prospects already. I think the JG factor is why he is so popular.

From what I have read recently I agree we are not being mentioned and teams like the Bruins and Avs are in the rumor mill.

With Calgary having 2 close friends and line mates in the system in addition to a big need for RW prospects (and the team loving size which Hayes has) gives me the impression we will be in the mix for sure.

If Hayes is letting teams come pitch him take Johnny and Billy with and good chance Hayes will be a Flame IMO

[ForeverFlameFan]

As I've said before, I would rather play with my college buds (or at least a part of that organization with them) than play with my brother early in my career.

[Enoch Root]

If I am Hayes and I am looking at Boston and Calgary (just keeping it a simple two-horse race for the sake of argument), my choice would be clear...

Boston: home town and currently contenders. However, they are clearly on the decline and have no replacements for Bergeron or Kreijci in the system (not saying they'll be gone in a year or anything, but things can change quickly). I see Boston as a good choice short-term, but very risky long-term.

Calgary: not competitive today, but a really deep collection of young talent. Really good young C depth, and a weakness at RW. I would not only see Calgary as a good chance to make the NHL quickly, but also as an excellent organization to be a part of for the next 10 to 15 years (i.e. my whole career).

[Lanny_McDonald]

You're leaving out his nationality. Like it or not this is going to come into play.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by New Era

You're leaving out his nationality. Like it or not this is going to come into play.

If we were talking about a Canadian, would you think that?

I doubt it matters to him.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If I am Hayes and I am looking at Boston and Calgary (just keeping it a simple two-horse race for the sake of argument), my choice would be clear...

Boston: home town and currently contenders. However, they are clearly on the decline and have no replacements for Bergeron or Kreijci in the system (not saying they'll be gone in a year or anything, but things can change quickly). I see Boston as a good choice short-term, but very risky long-term.

Calgary: not competitive today, but a really deep collection of young talent. Really good young C depth, and a weakness at RW. I would not only see Calgary as a good chance to make the NHL quickly, but also as an excellent organization to be a part of for the next 10 to 15 years (i.e. my whole career).

Yeah but you are looking at it through the lens of a fan.

Hayes would look at Boston and see a history of success going back thirty years. Boston hasn't missed the playoffs more then two years in a row since the 1960's. Boston has pretty much always been a good team, and when they dip they recover quickly.

Calgary isn't really in that same boat.


I don't think a guy like Hayes can afford to look 10-15 years down the road anyway so its probably a moot point.

I would think any team that makes him the best assurance of NHL ice time in the next couple of years is the leading candidate.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I would think any team that makes him the best assurance of NHL ice time in the next couple of years is the leading candidate.

Well then the choice is clear!

Oilers.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Well then the choice is clear!

Oilers.

heh. Right. The wings are the only place where the Oilers are decent.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Well then the choice is clear!

Oilers.

I thought Hayes wanted to play in the NHL, not the KHL.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Yeah but you are looking at it through the lens of a fan.

Hayes would look at Boston and see a history of success going back thirty years. Boston hasn't missed the playoffs more then two years in a row since the 1960's. Boston has pretty much always been a good team, and when they dip they recover quickly.

Calgary isn't really in that same boat.


I don't think a guy like Hayes can afford to look 10-15 years down the road anyway so its probably a moot point.

I would think any team that makes him the best assurance of NHL ice time in the next couple of years is the leading candidate.

No, I think you are.

As a player, I am looking at the rosters. And I see two things:

1) a pretty equal chance of making the big club quickly in either case, and

2) a younger roster that is going to bode better for me going forward

What has happened in the past is irrelevant.

[Yrebmi]

Originally Posted by Weitz

I don't know. Everywhere I read the flames are never mentioned. I sort of think him coming here is more of a pipe dream.

But honestly I'm not that high on the kid, and I think we have better prospects already. I think the JG factor is why he is so popular.

Where are you reading?
Flames are mentioned in every forum speculating on Kevin Hayes and countless news and blog articles.

There are even tweets from the man himself

Kevin Hayes @KevinPHayes12

Congrats to my 2 Lineys and 2 of my best friends @johngaudreau03 and @BillDaHurricane for signing with the Flames. Doing big things #trio
5:34 PM - 11 Apr 2014

You are either not reading anything on Hayes, being deliberately blind, or outright trolling.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No, I think you are.

As a player, I am looking at the rosters. And I see two things:

1) a pretty equal chance of making the big club quickly in either case, and

2) a younger roster that is going to bode better for me going forward

What has happened in the past is irrelevant.

1) Agreed.

2) Younger is no guarantee of future success.

Boston has more guys that are young and in the PRIME of their careers as well. Like a Vezina nominated goalie which is something Calgary can't boast.

Hayes will be free agent age long before those Boston guys will be out of their primes and can chose any team he wishes yet again. Assuming he has that long of a career....

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

1) Agreed.

2) Younger is no guarantee of future success.

Boston has more guys that are young and in the PRIME of their careers as well. Like a Vezina nominated goalie which is something Calgary can't boast.

By the time these guys leave their prime Hayes will be free agent age and can chose any team he wishes yet again. Assuming he has that long of a career....

lol

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

heh. Right. The wings are the only place where the Oilers are decent.

Decent is a synonym for good, and we all know they are not that anywhere.

In all seriousness I was apprehensive about taking a dig because you are a good poster, but I couldn't resist. Not sure I get the doughnuts reference though.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Decent is a synonym for good, and we all know they are not that anywhere.

In all seriousness I was apprehensive about taking a dig because you are a good poster, but I couldn't resist. Not sure I get the doughnuts reference though.

Oilers and donuts both lack centers.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Oilers and donuts both lack centers.

Awesome.

But how can that be?! Two top 3 picks down the middle. They must be good, right?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

1) Agreed.

2) Younger is no guarantee of future success.

Boston has more guys that are young and in the PRIME of their careers as well. Like a Vezina nominated goalie which is something Calgary can't boast.

Hayes will be free agent age long before those Boston guys will be out of their primes and can chose any team he wishes yet again. Assuming he has that long of a career....

Replace Boston, Calgary and Hayes with Anaheim, Edmonton and Schultz.

Schultz chose Edmonton because he saw two things:

1) a team that he had a good chance of making, getting ice time right away, and

2) a team that was going to grow going forward, in parallel with his own personal growth (as opposed to a team that currently had a stronger core)

I am suggesting that Hayes, if he chooses Calgary, would be making essentially the identical decision.

The fact that you, as an Oiler fan, disagree with the argument, is pretty funny.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Replace Boston, Calgary and Hayes with Anaheim, Edmonton and Schultz.

Schultz chose Edmonton because he saw two things:

1) a team that he had a good chance of making, getting ice time right away, and

2) a team that was going to grow going forward, in parallel with his own personal growth (as opposed to a team that currently had a stronger core)

I am suggesting that Hayes, if he chooses Calgary, would be making essentially the identical decision.

The fact that you, as an Oiler fan, disagree with the argument, is pretty funny.

I believe Schultz signing in Edmonton was 90% about

1) Getting paid
2) getting guaranteed ice time

I believe if Hayes signs in Calgary its for the same reasons. If you want to believe a big part of Hayes signing in Calgary is because he believes the future is so bright, he has to wear shades that's up to you. I won't argue the point any longer.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

I believe Schultz signing in Edmonton was 90% about

1) Getting paid
2) getting guaranteed ice time

I believe if Hayes signs in Calgary its for the same reasons. If you want to believe a big part of Hayes signing in Calgary is because he believes the future is so bright, he has to wear shades that's up to you. I won't argue the point any longer.

Same money with every team - just like Hayes will face

If you don't think they consider their futures, that's up to you

[Ulrith]

Originally Posted by Oil Stain

Oilers and donuts both lack centers.

Lol that's just awesome.

But I actually agree with you. I think Hayes is going where he thinks he can get the most ice time. Money's the same either way and has connections either way.