Phaneuf,Sjostrom,Aulie traded to leafs for Hagman,Stajan,Mayers,White

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by LickTheEnvelope

????

Which season by "this season" are you reffering to?

This seasons cap hits:

Phanuef: $6.5 mil
Sjostrom: $0.75 mil

= $7.25 mil

Hagman: $3 mil
Stajan: $1.75 mil
Mayers: $1.333 mil
White: $0.85 mil

= $6.933 mil

Calgary saves about $300k...

But we're also +2 bodies and have too many forwards. Something else has to give soon and you can't count up the total cap space until that happens.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Dagger

If you listen, Stajan is an ideal 3rd line centre(according to Leaf fans) and Hagman is streaky.

I have watched him play lots of times... Stajan is a top 6 forward IMO.

I would try him on the first line.

Hagman maybe streaky but he is 4 goals behind Iginla (wish more players on the Flames were streaky like that)

[McG]

Originally Posted by JFK

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=308500

"If you subscribe to the theory that the team that gets the best player wins the trade, it's pretty obvious who won the seven-player blockbuster deal between the Toronto Maple Leafs and Calgary Flames.

That would, of course, be... the Flames -- because right here, right now -- the best player in that group of seven is none other than Ian White."

i don't begrudge anyone quoting mckenzie, but i don't have alot of time for the guy personally.

i will also add that if Ian White was the best player in this deal, then i wonder where the consideration for Canada was. like it or not, Phaneuf played his way off of Team Canada, and White wasn't ever ever ever under consideration for Canada. Is that because Yzerman and crew were wrong? Or because McKenzie quotes stats?

so you can believe that mckenzie is right; and if white is so in demand then we will end up paying over the odds for him as an RFA and maybe eating up a chunk of the so called cap room. Or maybe we get a couple of draft picks for 2011.

anyways, this trade for the flames is for this season. i don't see any future potential here.

[LickTheEnvelope]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

But we're also +2 bodies and have too many forwards. Something else has to give soon and you can't count up the total cap space until that happens.

Moss out Maybe?

He's the only other Flame I can see being moved that has much cap hit ($1.3 mil)... anyone else?

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Thanks, I knew I was forgetting someone.

Hagman-Jokinen-Iginla
Lundmark-Stajan-Bourque
Glencross-Langkow-Nystrom
Prust-Mayers-McGrattan

Bouwmeester-Regehr
Giordano-White
Johnson-Pardy

Gone: Boyd
Gone: Sarich
Gone: Moss

IR/Depth: Conroy

This points out one of my fears about this trade:

Why punish our youngsters?

Keeping Conroy over Boyd or Moss is just a way of keeping this team stunted, imo. I'm not a huge Moss fan, but at least keep Boyd especially since he is playing better this year and has no tangible value as a player driving trades.

Also, I'm quite curious how strongly we're going to want to shoe-horn players like Stajan into this line-up because it has consequences for guys like Backlund.

[Sly]

Originally Posted by McG

i don't begrudge anyone quoting mckenzie, but i don't have alot of time for the guy personally.

i will also add that if Ian White was the best player in this deal, then i wonder where the consideration for Canada was. like it or not, Phaneuf played his way off of Team Canada, and White wasn't ever ever ever under consideration for Canada. Is that because Yzerman and crew were wrong? Or because McKenzie quotes stats?

so you can believe that mckenzie is right; and if white is so in demand then we will end up paying over the odds for him as an RFA and maybe eating up a chunk of the so called cap room. Or maybe we get a couple of draft picks for 2011.

anyways, this trade for the flames is for this season. i don't see any future potential here.

That's why Ian White is one of the most underrated D-men in the league.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

McKenzie is refering to next year. Only Hagman is signed next year so the Flames will gain 4.25M in cap space in 10/11

But those players will either have to be replaced or resigned (likely all at greater value than they are currently being paid). How does that help at all? You might as well of sent Langkow down to the minors to clear his salary from the books. At least that way we wouldn't have gotten fleeced by the Leafs.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Today, we free'd up $4MM to spend for this season. .

Phaneuf = $6.5 million
Sjostrom = $0.75 million

Total out = $ 7.25 million

Hagman = $3 million
Stajan = $1.75 million
Mayers = $1.4 million
White = $0.95 million

Total in = $7.1 million


I don't know how the caps work 40+ games in, and I realize that it is offset by who ends up going to the minors (Lundmark and Backlund probably), but I don't see how it can be $4 million is cap space savings for this season.

[Flames in 07]

Very happy with this trade. For years all we have done is talk about potential while he leads the team in single handedly allowing the other team score.

The team has been joyless for most of the year, people I know in the league have said that most to all of the team is done with Phaneuf. We have some money freed up for next year, and the net importing of 2 NHLers means another deal is coming or Sutter thinks that after Backlund there is nothing in the pipeline.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

This points out one of my fears about this trade:

Why punish our youngsters?

Keeping Conroy over Boyd or Moss is just a way of keeping this team stunted, imo. I'm not a huge Moss fan, but at least keep Boyd especially since he is playing better this year and has no tangible value as a player driving trades.

Also, I'm quite curious how strongly we're going to want to shoe-horn players like Stajan into this line-up because it has consequences for guys like Backlund.

This is Connie's last year and trading him would have a negative impact on the dressing room. Also, we're not going to get anything in return - even if all we want is a draft pick. Moss and Boyd, in my opinion, have plateaued in Calgary. They will at least net us a couple 2nd or 3rd round picks.

We've just traded away a huge building block, and our cupboards are relatively bare of any big name future coming down the pipe. We need picks, and the higher the better.

[LickTheEnvelope]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

McKenzie is refering to next year. Only Hagman is signed next year so the Flames will gain 4.25M in cap space in 10/11

But it will cost move than an extra $4.25 mil to re-sign Stajan and White...

And if they aren't re-signed this deal is basically Phanuef for Hagman and some cap space...

[McG]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

You're forgetting one thing in a salary cap era there bud.

A $7 mil dollar bust will easily mean your chances between a stanley cup or not. The way things were going I would suggest not...

Whose to say Phaneuf would have ever turned it aorund here? I'll tell you who doesn't think so, Sutter.

And in Sutter I have to believe.

$7 million dollar players with baggage and upside can be attained down the road if we want to take that chance. Sutter apparently didn't want to take the chance this time around, and I have to believe he knows what he's doing and you (who does not operate on the inside) does not.

Totally agreed that I am not on the inside with Sutter. We forget that he was the guy that gave Phaneuf that contract... WRT the cap hit, last time i checked Schenn was still on an entry level contract for next season as well...so if we wanted cap relief that was the way to go. i don't question trading phaneuf...i question the return. let's face it, if we really wanted to dump salary we don't have to sign jokinen and bourque, or we can get signed players and just dump them for draft picks.

If we believe that our forwards weren't performing, then we should trade forwards, not dmen. throwing aulie in and taking mayers to me... well...

i stand by my statement that if we don't get out of the first round sutter should be fired. this is his team. this is his cap. these are his contracts. these are his results. btw, i would be ecstatic to quote myself and admit to being an idiot and sutter being the master...'cause that would be nothing but good.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by LickTheEnvelope

But it will cost move than an extra $4.25 mil to re-sign Stajan and White...

And if they aren't re-signed this deal is basically Phanuef for Hagman and some cap space...

Why... White is an RFA.... where is he going

[Ren]

Originally Posted by LickTheEnvelope

But it will cost move than an extra $4.25 mil to re-sign Stajan and White...

And if they aren't re-signed this deal is basically Phanuef for Hagman and some cap space...

But it's also possible that maybe we don't re-sign Jokinen or we trade Sarich at the draft or any of a number of things. I think that's a part of this deal that I like, it adds flexibility and gives this team options going forward that they didn't have when they were committed to Dion's contract for 4 more years.

[bugsy]

Originally Posted by Flame On

Yes what a good leader Robyn is, not getting on with a much younger player and having his on ice play effected by it, so much so that players potential has to be traded away so the team can get back on track.
That's not the sign of quality to me. Enjoy your NM clause Regehr and sitting pretty, you better get your head out of your ass now!

Are we really saying Robyn Regehr is the reason we trade Dion today? I'm sure not saying that. I do think his reaction speaks to the relief that is born of inevitability (something was going to happen), and to a sense of being able to move forward now. I'm not going to say Dion was a cancer, but my gut feeling is this improves the team in ways that might not seem obvious.

[OzSome]

So shocked to hear Dion got traded. I can't say I am happy about it and I am hoping this is not another Toronto lopsided traded over again. Freaking Burkie is laughing right now having to pick up JS Giguere(starting goalie) and D Dion Phaneuf to complement Francois Beauchemin especially in the power play point. Burkie gave up 2 players that has been struggling in G Vesa Toskala and Jason Blake for a starting goalie while he pretty much gave up Hagman and Stajan to get a young premier defenseman in Phaneuf. D Ian White has been on and off the lineup for Toronto while Mayers hasn't been playing much.

I don't usually question Darryl Sutter's move but this time I am hoping he picked the right players. I am hoping Matt Stajan might be the answer for what the Flames is lacking, the playmaking centre and Hagman as another scorer. White might help a bit in the power play but I think we will see him play on the 5th D position with Pardy while Sarich gets reunited with Regehr. Mayers, I am not sure what we can use him for. I supposed he will rotate with McGrattan and Prust on healthy scratch.

Sad to see Dion Phaneuf go. Only good thing about this trade is we won't see him much against the Flames.

[ernie]

I haven't read all 37 pages but from a non-flames fan view what I see is a flames team that temporarily becomes deeper up front. How much deeper I'm not sure. I like Stajan but I like him as #2 guy behind an all-star center or a #3 guy on a team with a couple of good centers. I'm not convinced how good he will be in the West.

White is #5 PP specialist with some upside.

Hagman is a streaky but two-way forward...the type of guy the Flames need.

Mayers isn't much of anything.

Now the pieces seem decent and look like a fit. The problem I have with the trade is the biggest glaring issues with the flames are the lack of a #1 center and the lack of another top notch winger (though maybe with increased depth this one goes away). Those holes still exist and I would think you would want to address the big holes if you are going to move a big piece.

[LickTheEnvelope]

Originally Posted by flambers

Why... White is an RFA.... where is he going

I guess you could get him on a very short deal that pushes him to UFA, something like the Grebeshkov deal 1 year for less... $2.25 mil?

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by flambers

I have watched him play lots of times... Stajan is a top 6 forward IMO.

I would try him on the first line.

Hagman maybe streaky but he is 4 goals behind Iginla (wish more players on the Flames were streaky like that)

Right. I'll take your opinion over a majority of the Leafs fans.

We bought high and sold low. I really hope Sutter doesn't play in the stock market!

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Right. I'll take your opinion over a majority of the Leafs fans.

We bought high and sold low. I really hope Sutter doesn't play in the stock market!

LOL, Even if he is a 3rd line Center (which I doubt but does it matter... ) he still has more goals than any of the Flames Centers....