Man, Starfleet really needs to work on their transport security. It's fricking war time and they have no VIP protection except a single pilot?
I think the Klingon spy is Voq, where was he during this episode when L'Rell was there the whole time. Lorca's Tribble might take a starring role soon when it gets to his fortune cookies.
That wasn't L'Rell though that was I think Dennas who was one of the holograms in the first episode.
But that's an theory that i didn't even think of.
Ash Tyler who was the guy in the cell is in the rest of the episodes, it was also interesting that he was in the credit for the first episodes even though he didn't appear in them.
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Between generally whiny-ness and endless subtitles, the less of the Klingons I see the better. Apparently not a single person involved in this show in any decision-making capacity has seen The Hunt for Red October.
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Between generally whiny-ness and endless subtitles, the less of the Klingons I see the better. Apparently not a single person involved in this show in any decision-making capacity has seen The Hunt for Red October.
I realized this last episode that for the first time in my life I'm going to not watch a Star Trek series. I haven't enjoyed a single episode. Hate the characters. The Klingons are beyond annoying. The Captain isn't Star Trek like in the least. The lead character I would have enjoyed if they bumped her off and Michelle Yeoh was the star. Whiny first officer, whiny egineeer, whiny roommate. Unwatchable whine fest!
So far I think its great... I mean, starting at the beginning of a Federation/Klingon war? Yes please.
Special effects have been better than what I expected, and the modern way of doing seasonal story arc's versus pure episodic nonsense so far seems to be fitting well.
What's not to like so far? There has been some great plot twists. A Joffrey like captain who is hell bent on war as diplomacy with the Klingon empire. Great special effects, interesting stories and a crew trying to do the right thing given many adversities, personal conflicts and crew to crew conflict.
If anything the show should be criticized for poaching some plot lines from Game of Thrones, but it's been rather exciting to watch. It's not the slow plodding Star Trek's of the past, but once we knew TNG and that series developed it was the same. They finished on a movie quality note. This series has started out that way. I wonder how they will keep it up.
I quite enjoy watching the Klingons talking in their language and their way of thinking. I agree their appearance re-imagination isn't spot on, but their tech and costumes makeup for it.
Pretty good episode. Still not feeling the Klingons as much as I'd be hoping but hopefully they'll get there. The writing is still the weak spot I think but it's good enough that I'll keep watching.
I'm glad the tardigrade is gone, it just screamed plot holes. One episode it can destroy an entire ship, the next it takes out a crew member like nothing, the next it just gets depressed and doesn't fight back they just cavalierly walk in on it right after they torture it, and then we find out it could have simply teleported itself away at any time. The more deus ex machina your plot device, the more likely you'll have gaps big enough to fly a starship through.
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and then we find out it could have simply teleported itself away at any time.
I thought it needed the spores, and not to be tied to the ship's computers. I agree though- seemed a little bit of a weak point.
I almost didn't watch this last episode, but stuck it out based on the comments here. Definitely better, but still having a hard time keeping my interest.
I'll continue to watch the show but the Klingon redesign is terrible. I want to relax watching tv. Screw the subtitles. Show is 6/10 and perhaps falling - plot being the biggest problem. Most of the ST series first season or two was terrible. TNG, DS9, Voyager - all crap crap 1st seasons.
Pretty appalling. Now that silly plot device is a reminder of how bereft of ideas the showrunners are. I had hopes for this show, but I don't see how this series will properly fit in and its hard to ignore the plagiarism.
You can see all the Discovery haters already -- "I won't watch this show because it uses someone else's ideas! I'm going to watch The Orville instead!"
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Good episode I thought, more character focused is good.
Could see the ending coming a mile away, I wonder what they're setting up for the captain down the road. Are they setting up Burnham having to make the same choice as before?
There's only 3 episodes left before the break (the rest start in January), so they'll build towards a mini-cliffhanger.
Lol at the preview for next week, it could be titled "Hey Look, we're Star Trek, no really!"
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Good episode I thought, more character focused is good.
Could see the ending coming a mile away, I wonder what they're setting up for the captain down the road. Are they setting up Burnham having to make the same choice as before?
There's only 3 episodes left before the break (the rest start in January), so they'll build towards a mini-cliffhanger.
Lol at the preview for next week, it could be titled "Hey Look, we're Star Trek, no really!"
I agree, this one was an improved episode because they uncluttered it, this show is still struggling to find its footing in terms of what it wants to be though.
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This episode was really about family type connections. The Captain and Admiral Cromwell, The Captain and Tyler, Sarek and Michael, Michael and Tilley. But in the end the guy feeling is that all of these ties or links are incredibly broken.
Michael mentoring Tilly to be a Captain by following a script before realizing that it was bad advice. Sarek bascally deciding that Spock should go to the Vulcan expeditionary Force instead of Michael and lying about it. Cromwell showing up to basically do an evaluation of the Captain and realizing that he might be mentally unbalanced and having him sleep with her to change her mind, and Tyler having a dead mother and father seems to be a big coincidence.
I think the biggest problem is that the writers are making a huge assumption that we understand these characters so they're throwing them into story lines without us knowing the characters and its not helping us in getting to know them.
Stamets personality has completely flipped after becoming the navigational computers, and then in an interesting link at the end of the episode the Captain stares at his reflection in the window before the Camera pans down to a phaser in his pants (Or was he just happy to see Cromwell).
So I have this assumption that the Captain knew that the Klingon's were throwing a trap, so when he says to the Admiral "May fortune favor the bold", it comes out as incredibly threatening. And then when instead of running to her rescue he tells Saru to call Star Fleet because its not worth risking the Discovery you have to wonder if the Captain is hoping the Klingons kill Cromwell for him.
Now the prevalent theory and maybe the heavy handed attempted to make us believe this is the mirror universe, which I'm convinced its not, I'm beginning to believe that the spores are having an adverse effect on the crew. Lets be honest, the one thing that's kind of stood out from the start is that this ship's crew have a higher jerk reading then normal. Maybe the spores are sentient and evil.
Are we going to be seeing Michael throwing another Coup, or does she view Lorca as a father figure that she will not betray.
I'm intrigued by the idea of Vulcan logical insurgents, remember in Enterprise the Syranites (sp?) were insurgents and reformers who wanted to follow the path of logic and tolerance, but in this case logic says intolerance of humans. I also found the line "In times of crisis, ignorance can be beneficial," interesting because its opposite of what the Vulcan's that we know would say.
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Beyond the whole no parents thing with Tyler and the "You fight like a Klingon line leading to the suspicion that Voq is Tyler.
The actor listed as playing Voq is a guy named Javid Iqbal
There are no pictures of him without Klingon makup, he's only had one role and that's the first three episodes of Discovery. He has no social media presence at all, no twitter, instagram or facebook which is unusual for an actor. He never took part in any promotional work for Discovery, and when Shazad Latif who plays Taylor and has been credited for all episodes including the first three was asked about him, he said he's never met him.
So the theory is that CBS made up a name, which is fine, but still had to credit Latif so they made him a series regular and planted him in the credits for the first three episodes.
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