American Politics Thread: Orange is the new POTUS (Archive)

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by ernie

I agree. Which is fine by me as that will just cause more people who voted for Trump to become election bystanders next time out.

It's really too bad the dems buckled and they have the ACA rather than full single payer healthcare. Always have to chuckle that the thing people freak out about getting cut are the socialized aspects of the US system but they can't connect the dots and move forward...

Are you suggesting the people who infamously stated "Get your government hands of my Medicare" can't connect the dots?

Also, Chaffetz is quickly become the biggest ####### in America.

“You know what, Americans have choices. And they’ve got to make a choice,” the House Oversight Committee chairman told CNN’s “New Day," one day after the House GOP unveiled its plan to replace ObamaCare.

“And so maybe, rather than getting that new iPhone that they just love and they want to spend hundreds of dollars on, maybe they should invest in their own healthcare.”

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/32...-or-healthcare

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

He didn't accuse anyone of being illiterate. If you don't like his tone, and think it's combative, well you're the one who just called him an idiot out of the blue, so I'm not sure who's standing on the civility high ground here.

Re-read that exchange. Peter12 made a point, his point was dismissed by Duffman as "BS" with a blatant non-sequitur, to which Peter responded by saying "case in point" and asking how dismissing people's views without an actual argument wasn't a problem, to which Duffman responded in turn by outdoing his original non-sequitur by bringing up pedophilia of all things. As someone else said, "wtf?" And you think Peter's the source of the communication problem in that exchange? That is ridiculous.

There seriously have to be some standards for talking to other people, whether it be on a campus or an internet forum, besides "does this person generally share my political ideology".

What is Peter saying here?

Originally Posted by Peter12, quoting someone else

That, by the way, is why liberal students (and liberals in general) are so bad at defending their own positions. They never have to, so they never learn to. That is also why it tends to be so easy for conservatives to goad them into incoherent anger. Nothing makes you more enraged than an argument you cannot answer.

Pretty sure he is calling Liberals idiots that are too stupid to understand why they are against something, and are easily goaded by superior Conservatives.

My comment about Milo, was illustrating that it's possible that universities etc. should not just let anyone speak there carte blanche.

How about a white supremacist that advocates violence against non whites? should they be allowed to speak at universities? should Liberals let them, not just because they are stupid and don't understand their own arguments, but because of free speech and the 1A? Should Milo be allowed to go give a speech about the positive aspects of pedophilia?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Here's the Chaffetz clip too if you were wondering if he was being a condescending ####sucker when he dropped the iPhone line. (Hint: he was)

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/839088737242005506

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Are you suggesting the people who infamously stated "Get your government hands of my Medicare" can't connect the dots?

Also, Chaffetz is quickly become the biggest ####### in America.

becoming?

[Drak]

Isn't it fun how guys like Chaffez don't have to worry about health care coverage for themselves? Other people can f-off though.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Here's the Chaffetz clip too if you were wondering if he was being a condescending ####sucker when he dropped the iPhone line. (Hint: he was)

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/839088737242005506

I'm pretty sure the adjectives I'd use to describe Chaffetz would get me banned from CP.

I don't know if he's aware of this, but most of the time nowadays, you can get an iPhone/Galaxy/whatever on a lease from your cell phone company for a few dollars a month (I pay 8/month for my Galaxy, I know others who pay all the way up to 15 or 20/month for brand new iPhones).

By contrast, my employer subsidized healthcare? $214/month. (I'm responsible for $95ish of that) And that's with a sizable deductible no less. If I had major health problems and knew I would need regular care (cancer, etc) I'd easily be paying double or triple that every month.

People in America don't go bankrupt buying iPhones, Jason Chaffetz.

[Senator Clay Davis]

It's insane how often the GOP cannot check themselves with their contempt and disdain for the poor. I don't really want the apocalypse, but if it brings Jesus back and he tells Chaffetz and others like him he's sentencing them to hell, it might be worth it.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

I'm pretty sure the adjectives I'd use to describe Chaffetz would get me banned from CP.

I don't know if he's aware of this, but most of the time nowadays, you can get an iPhone/Galaxy/whatever on a lease from your cell phone company for a few dollars a month (I pay 8/month for my Galaxy, I know others who pay all the way up to 15 or 20/month for brand new iPhones).

By contrast, my employer subsidized healthcare? $214/month. (I'm responsible for $95ish of that) And that's with a sizable deductible no less. If I had major health problems and knew I would need regular care (cancer, etc) I'd easily be paying double or triple that every month.

People in America don't go bankrupt buying iPhones, Jason Chaffetz.

Most people's phone bill (including payment for the phone) isn't to far off from that. I'm not saying he's got a point, but people do flush a load of money down the toilet on cell phones.

[DuffMan]

Thought everyone had Obama phones, or did Trump take those away?

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Most people's phone bill (including payment for the phone) isn't to far off from that. I'm not saying he's got a point, but people do flush a load of money down the toilet on cell phones.

So what is one expected to do without a cell phone? Most people no longer pay for landlines, they keep a cell phone only. Phone access is pretty necessary, I'd say, if only for the purposes of applying for jobs and getting calls for interviews. Not to mention that's how a doctor would contact you with regards to appointments/test results, etc. And beyond that, I'd need to not pay my cell phone bill for nearly 2 1/2 years in order to hit my deductible on my health insurance for a single year.

If you have a major, chronic health problem, that cell phone cost is pennies on the dollar for what you're forking out in medical bills. Even if you have a minor, short-term health issue, by the time you get up to your deductible, you could buy 4+ iPhones outright.

It was an asinine statement to make about people who are scraping to get by, coming from a man with a base salary of 174k/year, who has government-provided, taxpayer-funded, top-tier healthcare that he'll never have to worry about losing or paying for himself.

[wittynickname]

In other news, Tennessee is working on the real issues as we speak.

A joint resolution in the Tennessee General Assembly condemning pornography as a "public health crisis" that is making men less interested in marrying passed unanimously in the Senate on Monday.

Specially, the resolution says that more millennials are exposed to porn at a younger age, causing eating disorders, and that "children and youth are exposed to pornography that often times serves as their sex education and shapes their sexual templates."

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news...nate/98830004/

[Fuzz]

Oh, I get that it was an asinine statement, but people do make stupid decisions about phones. No one NEEDS a $100/month phone plan with the newest iPhone every 2 years. They choose that. You can get by on a $20/month for phone only, use free wifi, bring your own device (get something used of Kijiji for $100-$200). That covers all your basic needs. Hell, I don't even bother with a sim card but I understand that's a bit extreme for some. Anyway, getting off topic.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

In other news, Tennessee is working on the real issues as we speak.

Specially, the resolution says that more millennials are exposed to porn at a younger age, causing eating disorders, and that "children and youth are exposed to pornography that often times serves as their sex education and shapes their sexual templates."

http://www.tennessean.com/story/news...nate/98830004/

On the one hand, they don't want sex ed in the classrooms, on the other hand, they don't want kids to learn it from porn. Where, oh where will the kids learn? Idiots, as usual.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh, I get that it was an asinine statement, but people do make stupid decisions about phones. No one NEEDS a $100/month phone plan with the newest iPhone every 2 years. They choose that. You can get by on a $20/month for phone only, use free wifi, bring your own device (get something used of Kijiji for $100-$200). That covers all your basic needs. Hell, I don't even bother with a sim card but I understand that's a bit extreme for some. Anyway, getting off topic.

I get what you're saying, but honestly, cell phones aren't why people go bankrupt. Even if you have a $100/month plan and new iPhone, dropping that isn't going to save you if you suddenly need some diagnostic testing done, or if you develop a health issue that needs a non-generic Rx, and god forbid you develop an actual major health problem that needs surgery or a hospital stay, and if you're a woman and get pregnant and your baby needs NICU time? Good luck ever getting out of that debt.

Even at a high end rate, cell phone costs are minuscule compared to healthcare costs, it was a statement made about poor people by someone who has no idea what it's actually like to be poor. The only way a cell phone can compare to insurance costs is if you literally never have to use that insurance.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Oh, I get that it was an asinine statement, but people do make stupid decisions about phones. No one NEEDS a $100/month phone plan with the newest iPhone every 2 years. They choose that. You can get by on a $20/month for phone only, use free wifi, bring your own device (get something used of Kijiji for $100-$200). That covers all your basic needs. Hell, I don't even bother with a sim card but I understand that's a bit extreme for some. Anyway, getting off topic.

People don't go bankrupt from spending $100 on their phone, they go bankrupt from the #7-30k it costs to fix a broken leg or the $500k from contracting an infectious disease.

If a $100 a month phone bill is a significant financial hurdle, how on earth are people going to afford $700 a month in insurance or save 50K in case they get shot by a stranger on their way to drop off mis-delivered mail?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by New Era

We aren't. We encourage debate. We encourage thoughtful discussion. We encourage people to research issues, look at matters from all perspectives, and come to conclusions based on the facts. Sadly, some students don't believe in the ideals of a liberal education and would instead prefer to fight against anything that does not comply with their perspective.

The issue isn't that the students are shouting down the speaker. The speaker isn't even allowed there. They are doing it before the speaker is even booked forcing the university to only book the speakers they like.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

People don't go bankrupt from spending $100 on their phone, they go bankrupt from the #7-30k it costs to fix a broken leg or the $500k from contracting an infectious disease.

If a $100 a month phone bill is a significant financial hurdle, how on earth are people going to afford $700 a month in insurance or save 50K in case they get shot by a stranger on their way to drop off mis-delivered mail?

Exactly. How is a health spending account going to help someone making $50,000 a year to pay for $150,000 cancer treatments?

Like this thing is mind bottlingly stupid

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Exactly. How is a health spending account going to help someone making $50,000 a year to pay for $150,000 cancer treatments?

Like this thing is mind bottlingly stupid

It makes for a good sound bite especially to those who are desperate to grasp onto any sort of "people today are lazy/spend money frivolously/don't make good choices like I do" hot takes.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Exactly. How is a health spending account going to help someone making $50,000 a year to pay for $150,000 cancer treatments?

Like this thing is mind bottlingly stupid

lol, 50k a year.

more than 70% of americans make LESS than 50k a year.

I am agreeing with you, it defies logic and reason but that is part of the appeal to people devoid of logic and reason.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Exactly. How is a health spending account going to help someone making $50,000 a year to pay for $150,000 cancer treatments?

Like this thing is mind bottlingly stupid

$50K? The average American isn't a CP poster pulling down that large green. The average American makes $41K and lives paycheck-to-paycheck. Don'tCare is going to have appalling outcomes for most Americans.