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[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by browna

What's that? Bat a puck that's in the air to a spot where he can maybe get his stick to it?

You are allowed to bat a puck.

You are not allowed to catch a puck in your palm, then throw it exactly where you want, which is what he clearly did.


If you bat a puck, its a hand pass if someone else on your teams touches it first (unless the bat is in your own zone).

Because he caught the puck and threw it, it doesn't matter that a Flame touched it first - it should have been a penalty.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Why?

Makes no sense

As a long time poster on this board it makes sense to me.

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ya, because you know more about it than what people who actually are involved in the game do.

What are you even talking about? That has nothing to do with anything I posted.

Are you so desperate to start an argument you have to resort to making #### up?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

I'm not sure who's a more pointless poster to debate with - JAG or Spurs.

Don't even waste your time.

[dieHARDflameZ]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Why?

Makes no sense

Sure, whatever you say Moon.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You don't actually have to close your hand, catching it and throwing it the way he did should be a penalty.

Here's the rule:

67.2 Minor Penalty – Player - A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice. If he catches it and skates with it, either to avoid a check or to gain a territorial advantage over his opponent, a minor penalty shall be assessed for “closing his hand on the puck”.

He didn't immediately place it or knock it down to the ice. He caught it and carried / threw it to try to gain a territorial advantage.

That should have been a penalty.

That is crystal clear.

The refs should face discipline for either not knowing or failure to apply the rules

[browna]

Originally Posted by dino7c

he threw it in the air over the net! couldn't be more obvious

He threw nothing. He bumped it up with his hand over the net. Guys who have the puck like that in any other zone bat it with their palm to a spot where they can control it.

If he scored it on the sequence himself would be maybe debatable, but he never grabbed it and threw it, and instead the a Flames player touched it negating blowing a whistle for it.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Spurs

What are you even talking about? That has nothing to do with anything I posted.

Are you so desperate to start an argument you have to resort to making #### up?

the ironing!

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

I'm not sure who's a more pointless poster to debate with - JAG or Spurs.

Don't even waste your time.

LOL

What debate, the people agree with me.

They are debating points I didn’t even make

[midniteowl]

It's not just the blind mice on the ice not calling it, it's the blind mice in the command center not calling it either, that's BS.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Spurs

Not sure why you quoted my post. I never said it should or shouldn’t be a penalty. I said he didn’t close his hand on the puck like Hrudey and others said.

reread the rule you just quoted - what he did is called "closing his hand on the puck" even if he doesn't literally close his hand.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by browna

He threw nothing. He bumped it up with his hand over the net. Guys who have the puck like that in any other zone bat it with their palm to a spot where they can control it.

If he scored it on the sequence himself would be maybe debatable, but he never grabbed it and threw it, and instead the a Flames player touched it negating blowing a whistle for it.

tell me you don't know the rules without telling me you don't know the rules

"A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice"

Not throw it up over the net to a teammate lol

they ####ed up

[Spurs]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

reread the rule you just quoted - what he did is called "closing his hand on the puck" even if he doesn't literally close his hand.

Great, as I said I haven’t said whether the goal should stand or not.

So no need to reread anything.

[browna]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

You are allowed to bat a puck.

You are not allowed to catch a puck in your palm, then throw it exactly where you want, which is what he clearly did.


If you bat a puck, its a hand pass if someone else on your teams touches it first (unless the bat is in your own zone).

Because he caught the puck and threw it, it doesn't matter that a Flame touched it first - it should have been a penalty.

I will just disagree about him grabbing it. One angle looks like it, but other angles are clear he batted the puck with his palm, yes intentionally up and over the net...when you get a puck in your glove, its almost always in the palm of your glove you put or bat it down with the wherever you want it, which is your stick.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by browna

He threw nothing. He bumped it up with his hand over the net. Guys who have the puck like that in any other zone bat it with their palm to a spot where they can control it.

If he scored it on the sequence himself would be maybe debatable, but he never grabbed it and threw it, and instead the a Flames player touched it negating blowing a whistle for it.

That was way more than a bump, it was 100% a throw.

https://x.com/ringoffirecgy/status/1...390635575?s=46

Look where the puck first enters his glove, and look how he throws it up.

Wasn't just a bump at all, he tried to throw it to himself

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by browna

I will just disagree about him grabbing it. One angle looks like it, but other angles are clear he batted the puck with his palm, yes intentionally up and over the net...when you get a puck in your glove, its almost always in the palm of your glove you put or bat it down with the wherever you want it, which is your stick.

for one you aren't allowed to hit it up, and yeah he directed it

you just don't know the rules...hey you could be a ref

[browna]

Originally Posted by dino7c

tell me you don't know the rules without telling me you don't know the rules

"A player shall be permitted to catch the puck out of the air but must immediately place it or knock it down to the ice"

Not throw it up over the net to a teammate lol

they ####ed up

Every puck that is directed with a glove isn't always "down" and in this case, the puck was above the net alreadt and he directed it in front so really didn't bump it up.
And he was trying to bump it to himself and just missed his stick.

Regardless of where he bumped it to, it was not a grab and squeeze and throw of the luck as is being assumed by some here, so it's not a penalty.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by browna

Every puck that is directed with a glove isn't always "down" and in this case, the puck was above the net alreadt and he directed it in front so really didn't bump it up.
And he was trying to bump it to himself and just missed his stick.

Regardless of where he bumped it to, it was not a grab and squeeze and throw of the luck as is being assumed by some here, so it's not a penalty.

Puck wasn't above the net already, he catches it by his hip, carried it for a milisecond, and throws it. Watch the video again.

https://x.com/ringoffirecgy/status/1...390635575?s=46

The reason the goal wasn't called back is because you can't review the penalty, only if it was a hand pass. Which it wasn't because Weegar touched it.

[browna]

Originally Posted by dino7c

for one you aren't allowed to hit it up, and yeah he directed it

you just don't know the rules...hey you could be a ref

But bumping it up and directing it isn't a penalty otherwise 75% of the time when a player anywhere on the ice touches the puck with their hand and directed it to their stick, or, maybe they bat it away to the boards, would be a penalty. When a player bats the puck directionally out of the zone with the glove to relieve pressure, it's not a penalty.

Grabbing it, holding it, and throwing it is...and it was reviewed by refs and Toronto with multiple replays that it didn't happen...so... continue with the edgy personal shots.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Spurs

What are you even talking about? That has nothing to do with anything I posted.

Are you so desperate to start an argument you have to resort to making #### up?

Read the post I quoted, you said Kelly Hrudey was wrong. So I made nothing up, you are just full of something brown and smelly as usual.