12-16-2023, 11:23 PM
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#4141
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache
Big 3 points in a 5-1 humbling of the Oilers tonight
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Is my app that says 4-1 lying to me??
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12-16-2023, 11:32 PM
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#4142
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Is my app that says 4-1 lying to me??
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According to TSN.ca? Yes.
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12-16-2023, 11:36 PM
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#4143
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Franchise Player
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Yep 5-1 even better
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12-16-2023, 11:38 PM
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#4144
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dino7c
Yep 5-1 even better
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Yeah...I mean...theres worse things.
Oilers losing by more? Happy Saturday night!
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05-12-2024, 07:28 PM
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#4145
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First Line Centre
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The Legend of Sam Bennett continues to grow
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05-13-2024, 08:35 AM
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#4146
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: 55...Can you see us now?
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Ahhh 18 year old Sam Bennett…we barely knew ye.
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05-13-2024, 08:54 AM
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#4147
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bay Area
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"Never been boo'd before. It was kinda cool."
-- From the legends of Sam Bennett
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05-13-2024, 10:12 AM
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#4148
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The legend of a Mega Thread - still ongoing! Can we rename FATA to Bennett at some point?
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05-13-2024, 10:15 AM
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#4149
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Watching Bennett, Tkachuk, Zadorov, Tanev, and even Lindholm all perform just shows that the Flames had the players and their previous rebuild was a success. Horrible mismanagement and coaching was clearly the issue.
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05-13-2024, 10:39 AM
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#4150
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CSharp
The legend of a Mega Thread - still ongoing! Can we rename FATA to Bennett at some point?
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Why? Sam Bennett is actually a good player. Rico Fata wasn't.
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05-13-2024, 10:52 AM
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#4151
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall
Watching Bennett, Tkachuk, Zadorov, Tanev, and even Lindholm all perform just shows that the Flames had the players and their previous rebuild was a success. Horrible mismanagement and coaching was clearly the issue.
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Are you ignoring the other elite players those guys are surrounded by?
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05-13-2024, 11:01 AM
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#4152
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Are you ignoring the other elite players those guys are surrounded by?
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No. these guys are the elite playoff performers. Tkachuk and Bennett are even the guys that they "surrounded" with. They play on the same line. The Flames never tried these two together.
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05-13-2024, 11:25 AM
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#4153
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dammage79
Why? Sam Bennett is actually a good player. Rico Fata wasn't.
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Cuz he was no good as a Flames - kinda like Rico - high expectations as a high end draft pick - bust as a Flames.
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05-13-2024, 11:25 AM
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#4154
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Lifetime In Suspension
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Are we still pretending Bennett looked good while he was here? It sucks the coaches forced him to be mediocre. It’s always someone other than the player we like’s fault and that’s what makes being a fan fun.
Zomg we blew it with Bennett and tkachuk! I’m glad both of them didn’t ask for trades or anything because man I’d feel like a doofus if I was crying over spilled milk not realizing I dumped the carton out myself. Of course someone forced them to do that because of reasons.
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05-13-2024, 11:31 AM
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#4155
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Ate 100 Treadmills
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CSharp
Cuz he was no good as a Flames - kinda like Rico - high expectations as a high end draft pick - bust as a Flames.
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Naw. Bennett had a solid rookie season. The Flames then stapled him to the bottom 6 and refused to let him play his style of game or get solid top 6 minutes.
I'll admit that I likely drank the Flames kool-aid about not disrupting chemistry and Bennett getting his chances, but that clearly wasn't the case. The Flames previous system of having every player be hard working with a two way game clearly isn't the way to win in NHL right now. You need to let players play to their strengths.
Fata was a bad player. Bennett is a good (but not top amazing) player who didn't thrive in the Flames' system.
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05-13-2024, 11:38 AM
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#4156
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
Are you ignoring the other elite players those guys are surrounded by?
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Remember when we had Bennett and made him a bottom-six winger? Then, in what ended up being his final season here, we finally asked him what position he wanted to play... and when he said "center," we ignored him and still made him a bottom-six winger?
Remember when we had Tkachuk and made him play with Backlund and Frolik as a checker for his first 5 years here? Remember when the team seemed to ostracize him for being too "loud" in the room and always trying to stir stuff up on the ice?
Bennett wasn't even off the plane in Florida, and they already had him slotted as their #2C. Just from scouting him, they knew we weren't using him properly. Not only did they make him the #2C, they gave him Huberdeau and Duclair as linemates, and they even gave him the #2PP. The result was Huberdeau's best-ever season (which we're now paying for... thanks Sam!).
From Tkachuk's first day in Florida, they embraced who he was. They marketed it to the fans. They not only let him be himself, they welcomed it into their dressing room. They allowed the entire culture of the team to be molded by it... and it started with 100% buy-in from Barkov, who was absolutely ecstatic about Chucky joining the team.
That's quite the contrast between the two organizations, wouldn't you agree?
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05-13-2024, 11:39 AM
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#4157
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blankall
No. these guys are the elite playoff performers. Tkachuk and Bennett are even the guys that they "surrounded" with. They play on the same line. The Flames never tried these two together.
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Well, they did. In 18-19 that was Bennett's most common linemate, with Backlund.
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05-13-2024, 11:42 AM
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#4158
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I think that's a slanted view of things.
i think there are several factors to why the Flames core failed - but chief among them is they didn't have enough elite players. And the guys they did have didn't deliver.
Did they mis-manage Sam? Perhaps.
Did they make some bad coaching decisions? Probably.
But was a mistake to play Tkachuk with Backlund and Frolik? I don't agree. I think it's one of the reasons he developed into the player he is today.
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05-13-2024, 11:45 AM
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#4159
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GOAT!
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Originally Posted by blankall
Naw. Bennett had a solid rookie season. The Flames then stapled him to the bottom 6 and refused to let him play his style of game or get solid top 6 minutes.
I'll admit that I likely drank the Flames kool-aid about not disrupting chemistry and Bennett getting his chances, but that clearly wasn't the case. The Flames previous system of having every player be hard working with a two way game clearly isn't the way to win in NHL right now. You need to let players play to their strengths.
Fata was a bad player. Bennett is a good (but not top amazing) player who didn't thrive in the Flames' system.
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This. This is huge. How many systems coaches have we had in a row here? Why do we keep hiring people who coach systems instead of coaching players? It's especially dangerous now, because we've entered an era where players are no longer putting up with it. They're done with being forced to fit into inflexible systems, and they're not sticking around for it.
Coach the players, don't coach the systems.
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05-13-2024, 11:54 AM
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#4160
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina
I think that's a slanted view of things.
i think there are several factors to why the Flames core failed - but chief among them is they didn't have enough elite players. And the guys they did have didn't deliver.
Did they mis-manage Sam? Perhaps.
Did they make some bad coaching decisions? Probably.
But was a mistake to play Tkachuk with Backlund and Frolik? I don't agree. I think it's one of the reasons he developed into the player he is today.
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Gaudreau got 115 points and the Gaudreau Tkachuk Lindholm line was best in the league
What then is elite?
I agree about the 3M line, when Monahan was 1C
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