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dying4acup · 06-08-2014, 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

He'll get a maximum ELC wherever he goes. He's mostly looking for where he'll have a good chance at getting a NHL spot, with playing with his brother, or playing with his college line are the wild cards.

I disagree on some part. He will get a max ELC wherever he goes, BUT, I think he's looking for an NHL guarantee. A max ELC means little without NHL time. He (or his agent) is looking for the highest payout possible. This might be his one and only NHL payout.

T@T · 06-08-2014, 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by dying4acup

I disagree on some part. He will get a max ELC wherever he goes, BUT, I think he's looking for an NHL guarantee. A max ELC means little without NHL time. He (or his agent) is looking for the highest payout possible. This might be his one and only NHL payout.

That settles it, he'll sign with the Oilers Aug 2nd.

devo22 · 06-08-2014, 04:55 AM

I don't think it's about an "NHL guarantee" ... just about getting an opportunity. Chicago is so stacked that Hayes will have a very tough time cracking the lineup any time soon. Same thing happened to his brother and Pirri, eventually they both got shipped out. Morin could be next. And now with Teravainen being in NA, Hartman developing nicely and guys like Nordstrom impressing as well, it's not going to become easier. Other teams will be able to give him a chance in the NHL earlier, with less fierce competition. Quite similar to Corban Knight last year, who knew that he would be buried on the depth chart in Florida behind numerous other young centers.

Vulcan · 06-08-2014, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by devo22

I don't think it's about an "NHL guarantee" ... just about getting an opportunity. Chicago is so stacked that Hayes will have a very tough time cracking the lineup any time soon. Same thing happened to his brother and Pirri, eventually they both got shipped out. Morin could be next. And now with Teravainen being in NA, Hartman developing nicely and guys like Nordstrom impressing as well, it's not going to become easier. Other teams will be able to give him a chance in the NHL earlier, with less fierce competition. Quite similar to Corban Knight last year, who knew that he would be buried on the depth chart in Florida behind numerous other young centers.

Yeah, he isn't good enough to demand a NHL roster spot.

Enoch Root · 06-08-2014, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dying4acup

I disagree on some part. He will get a max ELC wherever he goes, BUT, I think he's looking for an NHL guarantee. A max ELC means little without NHL time. He (or his agent) is looking for the highest payout possible. This might be his one and only NHL payout.

Pretty straight-forward though - don't give him a guarantee (doubt any team will and the Flames afford him as much opportunity as any team does).

Max ELC is nothing - basically free - to acquire another good prospect, especially at our thinnest position.

No harm in trying, if he busts he busts - most do.

Vinny01 · 06-08-2014, 11:10 AM

He won't get a guaranteed NHL spot with the Flames but he will get to be in the organization with his college linemates/best buddies. He also can look at the depth chart and see the Flames biggest hole is RW prospects and he fits the size criteria the team wants. The flames make sense for a lot of reasons I hope he signs here

Street Pharmacist · 06-08-2014, 11:11 AM

If he wants to play in the NHL, the Oilers are probably his best bet

RockOnRoberts · 06-08-2014, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

If he wants to play in the NHL, the Oilers are probably his best bet

I have to disagree with you about Edmonton, I'm pretty sure he wants to play in the NHL.

theoforever · 06-08-2014, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dying4acup

I think the kid will bust. Leave him be . He's hoping someone throws a maximum ELC his way, but clearly the kid benefitted from playing with THE MOST TALENTED COLLEGE HOCKEY PLAYER OF HIS GENERATION...

Not interested.

I have seen all Hayes games in WCH and he doesn't impress like Johnny, hell it is nowhere close. If we sign him that's fine but I wouldn't give up much to get him.

dammage79 · 06-08-2014, 11:37 AM

When your biggest weakness on the team is RW. I don't think you can pass on trying to add a big speedy RW who incidentally was made better by one of your best prospects. Even if he never plays on a line with Gaudreau again, it's still worth a shot trying to sign this guy if he goes to UFA. And for the Flames, a max ELC isn't going to hurt their pocketbook. I feel that argument is weak.

A Shot Wide · 06-08-2014, 11:54 AM

Don't think it makes a huge difference but I think it should be noted Hayes is a left shot. Think he has a history of playing on the right side though, considering JG played LW on his line.

Vulcan · 06-08-2014, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by A Shot Wide

Don't think it makes a huge difference but I think it should be noted Hayes is a left shot. Think he has a history of playing on the right side though, considering JG played LW on his line.

I read he was playing centre until his senior year.

StrykerSteve · 06-08-2014, 06:06 PM

He'd be a perfect fit in this organization, sure hope he signs here.

Snooks · 06-08-2014, 06:35 PM

As a hardcore BC fan who came to this forum for the express purpose of continuing to root on 2 of my favorite college players, I'd love to make it three.

handgroen · 07-01-2014, 10:23 AM

wonder if the flames take this guy today

sureLoss · 07-01-2014, 10:23 AM

he isn't ufa until August 15th

handgroen · 07-01-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

he isn't ufa until August 15th

thanks, i think there's a good chance we get him, little anxious i guess

IliketoPuck · 07-01-2014, 10:26 AM

Odd question:

During the recent UFA negotiating window, were teams allowed to speak to Hayes? i.e., Flames say they will offer him a rookie max and chance to play with Johnny and Bill next year if he waits to Aug. 15.

Racki · 07-02-2014, 11:19 PM

Just saw this from Scott Powers at ESPN Chicago.

"Many believe Hayes will eventually sign with the Calgary Flames and join his former Boston College teammates Johnny Gaudreau and Bill Arnold."

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/blac...-on-to-do-list

dammage79 · 07-02-2014, 11:34 PM

And boom goes the dynamite.

Pretty accurate speculation. But then again it's also a fairly easy one to make up too.

I wonder if there's another deal to be had with CHI in terms of dumping some salary with the added bonus of acquiring Hayes' rights.

Oduya or Leddy are allegedly on the block.

What would the return need to be for Both Hayes and Leddy?