2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Here is, officially, the names of the first 11 charged at Coutts, and the charges against them:

Ursula Allred

• Mischief to property over $5,000.
• Possession of a weapon.

Luke Berk

• Mischief to property over $5,000.
• Possession of a weapon.

Chris Carbert

• Conspiracy to murder.
• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Evan Colenutt

• Mischief to property over $5,000.
• Possession of a weapon.

Johnson Chichow Law

• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Christopher Lysak

• Conspiracy to murder.
• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.
• Uttering threats.

Justin Martin

• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Stewart Eastin Oler

• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Anthony Olienick

• Conspiracy to murder.
• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Joanne Person

• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

Janx Zaremba

• Possession of a weapon.
• Mischief to property over $5,000.

#### me

i know the brother of one of those guys.

[Engine09]

I'm still fuming over that clip of the cops shaking hands and hugging those f'ing lunatics.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I'm not sure I understand the whataboutism regarding future environmental protests, as if we don't already have a recent example of this happening (which, if we're trying to accuse each other of being hypocritical, saw the CPC call for forceful action just 12 days after blockades began, and saw many posters here who are suddenly concerned for the rights of protestors also advocate for the government "forcing" the RCMP to intervene, calling people terrorists, calling the response pathetic, hoping people die, and advocating for sending in the army).

This is, of course, the railway blockades in February 2020 in support of the Wet’suwet’en fight against CoastLink.

As a reminder, here is how that played out:



Not the similarities and differences. As far as timeline goes, overall it's similar. However, few blockades during the previous protest were active for more than a few days. The RCMP made many arrests while this time they seemed fairly reluctant to even issue fines.

The Conservatives pushed for forceful action while the Liberals pushed for ongoing dialogue. The Liberals eventually took to forceful action. Compare that with this current iteration, where the Conservatives have pushed for dialogue, and the Liberals have not, but have also avoided forceful action thus far. You can decide for yourself whether dialogue was necessary or not in either case, but it's worth noting that the dialogue in one concerned the protection of indigenous land rights, and the dialogue in the other concerned the removal of health restrictions and of Trudeau as PM (among other things).

Looking at a provincial level, I don't think it needs to be pointed out that the entire reason Kenney and the UCP introduced Bill 1 was due to the Wet'suwet'wen protests, a Bill he was reluctant to enforce on the Coutts protest, despite it being far more damaging and long lasting than anything that occured in Alberta during the Wet'suwet'wen protests.

All in all, if we're looking for hypocrisy or a gotchya, it's clear to see that the Liberals favoured a softer response in statements previously but have acted in a softer manner this time, while the actions and many statements of the Conservatives have been a complete reversal. There's still room for the Liberals to enforce much harsher measures, though.

Looking for hypocrisy and bias in response to these issues is a game pretty much everyone is destinted to lose. Why play? Looking for a gotchya? There's no shortage of them, including from the people most eager to play the game, so I would just avoid that nonsense entirely. I think we can do without.

I think the liberal governments handling of the two was similar enough to say that both response were not race driven. The big difference between the two responses was likely due to the nature of the large trucks being involved being a new scenario to deal with and potentially after an investigation into Sloly issue with law enforcement negligence.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Engine09

I'm still fuming over that clip of the cops shaking hands and hugging those f'ing lunatics.

If it’s the ones from the disbursements then being friendly as you clear out the crossing is likely in the best interests of everyone.

Saying we are on your side and we are sorry we have to do this may be the correct strategy. You might even get confessions out of it. Slow escalation of force is important.

[Cappy]

No need to hack the donation site when the protesters willingly sign the flag like some sort of High School Reunion memorial:

Spoiler!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cappy

No need to hack the donation site when the protesters willingly sign the flag like some sort of High School Reunion memorial:

Spoiler!

Can we ####ing stop defacing the flag.

[Engine09]

Originally Posted by GGG

If it’s the ones from the disbursements then being friendly as you clear out the crossing is likely in the best interests of everyone.

Saying we are on your side and we are sorry we have to do this may be the correct strategy. You might even get confessions out of it. Slow escalation of force is important.

Yeah, I'm sure that's right. I'm telling myself it's part of their strategy and it does help deescalate but maybe someone can tell me the last time protestors got hugs from the police. Holy ####.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Peace, love, and Woodstock vibes for all the patriots. All's well that ends well.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493587546550542338

what a white out!

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cappy

No need to hack the donation site when the protesters willingly sign the flag like some sort of High School Reunion memorial:

Spoiler!

It's not a big surprise, but almost every place name I can read is rural. A couple Calgary, but not much. Outlines the real political challenge the UCP has.

[Raekwon]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Can we ####ing stop defacing the flag.

At least its held up by tuck tape . . .

[Minnie]

I recognize a pile of names on that flag. Whether or not they're who I think they are is a whole other can of worms.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Peace, love, and Woodstock vibes for all the patriots. All's well that ends well.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1493587546550542338

Somebody brought up on Twitter, the same thing that has been niggling at me since seeing this video.

When have you ever hugged a cop or had one who allowed you to hug them? I mean one that you're not good friends with or related to. Especially when they are wearing their service revolver? And after they've arrested 11 people at Coutts, with charges such as conspiracy to commit murder? Or the 12th or 13th arrestee that tried to run them over and nearly succeeded? But no concerns about who else might have been thinking about what the first 11 were charged with, so let's hug it out? It just seems very very odd to me but whatever, I guess.

[CactusJack]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

#### me

i know the brother of one of those guys.

I used to work with one of the ones charged with Conspiracy To Murder! Dude is effed for life now.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Cappy

No need to hack the donation site when the protesters willingly sign the flag like some sort of High School Reunion memorial:

Spoiler!

This came from Jen Gerson's story about her day at the coutt's blockade.

https://theline.substack.com/p/dispa...nt-god?r=5xao4

Jen Gerson is typically a centrist at heart and so her commentary is always sobering - especially when i start to get a little to incensed, she or her colleagues at the line usually have a sobering article to pull be back to rationale thought


It has some interesting insight from one of the organizers:
(spoiler: typical Pro-Christian, racial undertones, with big splash of American style influence to push it all in:

Spoiler!

Why was this the first border crossing to be blockaded?

"Because God initiated it,"...
He said he would be content with a government by "any party that is currently in place that is not attached to the World Economic Forum. And there are other attachments as well."

He would accept the PPC, however, as Maxime Bernier’s populist party was not attached to the WEF.

"If it were the PPC as a government under our current system of parliament, that would be winning because they're against the current mandates. They are pro-life, pro-gun, pro-everything that this government needs. And pro-freedoms, pro-Charter of Rights and Freedoms."

"We know for a fact that this last election was rigged. It's that simple...."

The divide here is average supporters see this whole thing as an FU to Trudeau and the mandates. Which is a cursory view of the original idea.

But the rest see this for what it is. A group of people who are frankly all too willing to let democracy go to #### in order to protect their outdated way of life - not like it was under any real threat to begin with.

[MoneyGuy]

Did someone sign Jason Kenney's name on that flag? I would have.

[Locke]

"Conspiracy to Murder?"

What was going on down there?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Did someone sign Jason Kenney's name on that flag? I would have.

in crayon

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Cappy

This came from Jen Gerson's story about her day at the coutt's blockade.

https://theline.substack.com/p/dispa...nt-god?r=5xao4

Jen Gerson is typically a centrist at heart and so her commentary is always sobering - especially when i start to get a little to incensed, she or her colleagues at the line usually have a sobering article to pull be back to rationale thought

.

That is a ####ing scary read

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Cappy

This came from Jen Gerson's story about her day at the coutt's blockade.

https://theline.substack.com/p/dispa...nt-god?r=5xao4

Jen Gerson is typically a centrist at heart and so her commentary is always sobering - especially when i start to get a little to incensed, she or her colleagues at the line usually have a sobering article to pull be back to rationale thought


It has some interesting insight from one of the organizers:
(spoiler: typical Pro-Christian, racial undertones, with big splash of American style influence to push it all in:

Spoiler!

Why was this the first border crossing to be blockaded?

"Because God initiated it,"...
He said he would be content with a government by "any party that is currently in place that is not attached to the World Economic Forum. And there are other attachments as well."

He would accept the PPC, however, as Maxime Bernier’s populist party was not attached to the WEF.

"If it were the PPC as a government under our current system of parliament, that would be winning because they're against the current mandates. They are pro-life, pro-gun, pro-everything that this government needs. And pro-freedoms, pro-Charter of Rights and Freedoms."

"We know for a fact that this last election was rigged. It's that simple...."

The divide here is average supporters see this whole thing as an FU to Trudeau and the mandates. Which is a cursory view of the original idea.

But the rest see this for what it is. A group of people who are frankly all too willing to let democracy go to #### in order to protect their outdated way of life - not like it was under any real threat to begin with.

There is a huge component of this guided by religion that doesn't get talked about much. I've tuned in to some of the live streams of their speeches, and most of them invoke god in some way. They defend their actions because god is on their side, so it can't possibly be wrong. Except that they just made that up in their head. It's really hard to discuss something rationally when a person feels their choice isn't one they made, but one assigned by whoever they worship. It may also help explain why they are so easily fooled into believing nonsense without fact. Reason and science need not apply.

[EldrickOnIce]

Did we really require invoking the Emergencies Act?
I think it's reasonable for me to support universally applied rule of law to any similar blockade situation without supporting this. Or is it simply good theater?