Admittedly, I find hunting, unless it's the absolute last resort for food, being morally and ethically repugnant.
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Naw, not the place for that discussion. Sorry.
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I don't really have a problem with hunting if your killing and eating your prey. I don't like sport hunting. And I really don't like the non challenging style of hunting when you don't stalk your prey where you create a kill zone, bait it and sit in a tree with a scoped rifle and a thermos and wait for the animal to come to you.
That's not the challenge of the hunt and its wasteful if your just trophy hunting.
I don't like to hunt anymore, I just didn't see the purpose in it, or the sport in it with a lot of my friends where it became an exercise in pulling a trigger.
But I don't have a problem if someone stalks it, kills it, cleans it and eats it.
Anything other then that is thrill killing and to me that's a little weird.
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To be fair, it is more likely that he killed coyotes as a population control measure, sanctioned and and encouraged by his parents and encouraged by the rural culture where he lived.
The fact that he had fun doing it was probably more important to him as a kid though.
Shooting turtles does seem a bit odd, though.
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I was talking to my sister down in Florida this morning, and there were large lineups at all the sporting goods stores to purchase automatic weapons, and I guess they are all sold out.
There's a lot of talk about how to make schools safe, including arming teachers. However, I gather the teachers don't want any part of it.
With the current mindset regarding guns in general, it's going to take a long time to turn things around.
Shooting gophers, coyotes, ravens, pigeons and various other animals that wreck havoc on a farm/ranch is pretty normal to me.
That is how I grew up.
I do however find it pretty despicable when people shoot certain animals for ####s and giggles. Shooting gophers was fun, I admit....but it served a bigger purpose.
Caged is right though. We all grow up in different 'cultures'....and what is disgusting and immoral to some is acceptable to others. Its not something to go crazy about.
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To be fair, it is more likely that he killed coyotes as a population control measure, sanctioned and and encouraged by his parents and encouraged by the rural culture where he lived.
The fact that he had fun doing it was probably more important to him as a kid though.
Shooting turtles does seem a bit odd, though.
Shooting coyotes on a farm is more or less a necessity if you want to protect your own livestock.
We had badgers as well. They were great for keeping the gopher population under control, but when they began attacking young calves, we had no choice but to shoot them.
When we rented land in the Porcupine Hills, there were various cougar sightings as well. For the most part animal retrieval specialists were called in to catch them and relocate them, but I do remember a specific incident where a rancher got frustrated and shot the cougar after finding him.
When we rented land in the Porcupine Hills, there were various cougar sightings as well. For the most part animal retrieval specialists were called in to catch them and relocate them, but I do remember a specific incident where a rancher got frustrated and shot the cougar after finding him.
The Porcupine Hills is full of cougars...all busy eating deer. I understand a cougar will eat a deer a week.
I will preface this by saying that I am the messenger on this, so don't shoot me (hah!)
A hunter once "rationalized" to me for a bit of perspective that the natural death of animal in the wild is far more brutal with far more suffering, than the quick death by a bullet.
There are multiple angles to take that of course, so I will leave it at that.
I will preface this by saying that I am the messenger on this, so don't shoot me (hah!)
A hunter once "rationalized" to me for a bit of perspective that the natural death of animal in the wild is far more brutal with far more suffering, than the quick death by a bullet.
There are multiple angles to take that of course, so I will leave it at that.
Yes, it's more humane for an animal to die by a bullet........and also a hell of lot of more premature than a natural death.
What excellent rationale. "Hey, this animal would have had a rough couple of days while dying, 5 years from now. So I did it a favour and gave it a nice quick end, while it was in it's prime."
I dunno, I'm not a hunter but I always thought an animal dying in the woods (as long as it's done as clean as possible) would be a lot better than a slaughterhouse. The big difference is how they live. Animals in feed lots and slaughterhouses do not live good lives for the most part. As for the killing, it can take a couple shots (rods) whether you're in the wild or on the farm.
And some farmers don't follow the laws concerning humane kills either. It goes both ways.
But killing animals just for sport I don't believe in. I'm talking about also using them for food (or circumstances when populations need to be controlled).
A lot of our meat industry is just as embarrassing as bad hunters unfortunately. :/
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Yes, it's more humane for an animal to die by a bullet........and also a hell of lot of more premature than a natural death.
What excellent rationale. "Hey, this animal would have had a rough couple of days while dying, 5 years from now. So I did it a favour and gave it a nice quick end, while it was in it's prime."
F-in hunters sometimes, lol.
I dont think hunting needs any rationale at all as long as you're consuming the animal. People have been hunting since the beginning of time.
Gun lobby group in the Utah is now offering free training to carry concealed weapons for teachers. Oi. More than 200 teachers are expected to attend as gun lobbyists try to arm more teachers http://www.montrealgazette.com/news/...570/story.html
Shooting gophers, coyotes, ravens, pigeons and various other animals that wreck havoc on a farm/ranch is pretty normal to me.
That is how I grew up.
I do however find it pretty despicable when people shoot certain animals for ####s and giggles. Shooting gophers was fun, I admit....but it served a bigger purpose.
Caged is right though. We all grow up in different 'cultures'....and what is disgusting and immoral to some is acceptable to others. Its not something to go crazy about.
Relativism is just the worst.
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I was talking to my sister down in Florida this morning, and there were large lineups at all the sporting goods stores to purchase automatic weapons, and I guess they are all sold out.
There's a lot of talk about how to make schools safe, including arming teachers. However, I gather the teachers don't want any part of it.
With the current mindset regarding guns in general, it's going to take a long time to turn things around.
I'm sure teachers would not be wanting any part of it. While this thread has no shortage of lunacy on its own, the lunacy of teachers and school leaders not being the central and important voices in this discussion nationally is far worse.
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The major problem, as I see it, is that it's taken over 200 years to get to where the US is today regarding the gun problem. And with the mindset in the US at present, the condition is not going to change overnight, but may take generations.
My guess is, with new legislation starting with the elimination of automatic weapons, it will happen gradually on a State by State basis, and the resulting statistics will encourage other States to follow.
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The major problem, as I see it, is that it's taken over 200 years to get to where the US is today regarding the gun problem. And with the mindset in the US at present, the condition is not going to change overnight, but may take generations.
My guess is, with new legislation starting with the elimination of automatic weapons, it will happen gradually on a State by State basis, and the resulting statistics will encourage other States to follow.
just my opinion
IIRC there was a automatic weapon in the not so distant past. I'm not sure if there was any effect.
