Israel declares war on Hamas

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

Well, we now know what the publishers of Buzzfeed have to say on the matter. Media literacy is still such a problem. I’ll stick with Columbia, Annenberg, Cronkite, and such over a website run by Buzzfeed - who gives themselves a high credibility rating. Confirmation bias in action.

You do realize Buzzfeed News won the Pulitzer prize for International News and accolades for their investigative journalism in 2021 before they were shut down.

https://www.pulitzer.org/finalists/b...-washington-dc

But you keep believing that you want to believe.

[Fuzz]

The only conclusion I can come to is that Lanny is misinformed.

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[WCW Nitro]

More war crimes from Israel. Refugee camp bombed.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/31/middl...m_source=twCNN

An Israeli strike on the densely populated Jabalya
Refugee camp in northern Gaza caused many casualties, officials in the enclave said Tuesday.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Are you suggesting the Saudi's fired on Israel or that the Houthis somehow snuck into the kingdom for a launch site?

At the very least, Saudi Arabia would be turning a blind eye as the drones would have had to fly 1,600 km though their air space. I can't see them not noticing that.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

What's the hold up on a humanitarian corridor again? I haven't caught up on the news yet. Bombing needs to stop and food aid needs to get in.

They've been letting 39-44 trucks in per day. There is a new agreement that will allow 100 per day in, which is that the un is asking for:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...-day-official/

[activeStick]

Was impressed (and surprised) with Wolf Blitzer's questioning around Israel's bombing of the refugee camp.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1719412278351507487

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by blankall

They've been letting 39-44 trucks in per day. There is a new agreement that will allow 100 per day in, which is that the un is asking for:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel...-day-official/

It was also mentioned on the news that Israel estimates that Hamas has control over about 800,000 to 1 million liters of fuel. If that is true, the UN should insist that the fuel is distributed to where it can be used by non-militants.

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Was impressed (and surprised) with Wolf Blitzer's questioning around Israel's bombing of the refugee camp.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1719412278351507487

The IDF basically dropped a bunker buster to get to Hamas commander Ibrahim Biari, and however many low level militants, underground while 47 Gazan civilians were still on the ground above him in Jabaliya. That's not acceptable collateral damage. Israel should have made sure area was clear first.

There's going to be a lot more casualties now that Israeli troops are fighting in the tunnels now and finding more and more of these underground Hamas command centers and the longer Hamas does not give up the hostages. There won't be a ceasefire so long as the hostages are still "alive" and not returned, but Hamas probably doesn't even know where they are at this point.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

More war crimes from Israel. Refugee camp bombed.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/31/middl...m_source=twCNN

An Israeli strike on the densely populated Jabalya
Refugee camp in northern Gaza caused many casualties, officials in the enclave said Tuesday.

Israel is now dealing with boss level Hamas members. They need to drop the largest bombs in order to kill them.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

The IDF basically dropped a bunker buster to get to Hamas commander Ibrahim Biari underground while 47 Gazan civilians were still on the ground above him in Jabaliya. That's not an acceptable collateral damage.

There's going to be a lot more casualties now that Israeli troops are fighting in the tunnels now and finding more and more of these underground Hamas command centers.

While it sucks it's a strong message to Hamas that hiding behind civilians wont work anymore, it'll get Hamas running and in the end will probably save more civilians.

Israel will not stop until Hamas is crushed from existence.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

While it sucks it's a strong message to Hamas that hiding behind civilians wont work anymore, it'll get Hamas running and in the end will probably save more civilians.

Israel will not stop until Hamas is crushed from existence.

Does the IDF see the difference between a Palestinian and Hamas? It feels more and more like the goal is eradication.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

While it sucks it's a strong message to Hamas that hiding behind civilians wont work anymore, it'll get Hamas running and in the end will probably save more civilians.

Israel will not stop until Hamas is crushed from existence.

Bombing civilians to save civilians. Israel really can do no wrong in your eyes here lol.

[WCW Nitro]

I don't think people understand that war crimes happen during war and you can't use war as an excuse to commit them.

[Geraldsh]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

Does the IDF see the difference between a Palestinian and Hamas? It feels more and more like the goal is eradication.

What is the difference? Do they wear different hats? Different shirts? Even if you ask them directly I bet Hamas will say “no no I am Palestinian today”

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by Geraldsh

What is the difference? Do they wear different hats? Different shirts? Even if you ask them directly I bet Hamas will say “no no I am Palestinian today”

So kill 'em all? That's where you landed on this?

[Manhattanboy]

The sad reality is that even if Hamas understands the concept of cause and effect, which I doubt, they certainly don’t care. Israel is not dealing with rational actors here.

[Manhattanboy]

All this stops immediately if Hamas releases the hostages, lays down it arms, recognizes Israel and its right to live in peace and surrenders its terrorist leaders for prosecution and trial.

[WCW Nitro]

We should definitely believe the country that turned off water and food to millions that any place it bombs is because there are terrorists there.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

All this stops immediately if Hamas releases the hostages, lays down it arms, recognizes Israel and its right to live in peace and surrenders its terrorist leaders for prosecution and trial.

This does not stop, Isreal will tighten its grip and Palestine will have a new generation of young men who feel helpless enough to throw another stone, prepared to face the brunt of a months worth of bombing.

There is no high road.

[TheIronMaiden]

At this point what world do Palestinians have to return to?