I have seen few references to both Kharkiv and Kharkov. Are these the both the same city?
Same place, just Kharkov is the Russian way of saying it (HAR-KOV) instead of KAR-KEEV.
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Ukrainian vs. Russian translated spellings of the city. I've switched to mostly the Ukrainian spellings for support.
It's a Russian speaking city and my wife scolded me and said I should always spell it as Kharkov. I am therefore forced to pronounce it how the locals say, aka the Russian way....
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Same place, just Kharkov is the Russian way of saying it (HAR-KOV) instead of KAR-KEEV.
It's a Russian speaking city and my wife scolded me and said I should always spell it as Kharkov. I am also forced to pronounce it how the locals say, aka the Russian way....
Thanks. I have been following it and saw the city mentioned a couple of times on the news and was wondering if that was the same place as where your family was. Hope you get re-united soon.
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Wife just called and said that the train she is on to Ternopol is some kind of special emergency evacuation train and a different route than what is shown on Google maps.. She confirmed it does not stop in Kyiv and she does not have to transfer (thank god). Just has to stay put.
Not sure the exact route, but hopefully it all goes well. She said the train is packed with children and has no toilets, but at least they are handing out water. She estimates it will be a 20 hours trip due to the train being a lot slower than a standard train.
They aren't sure where they are going to go when they arrive, but I read on some websites that schools and malls were hosting people arriving.
I consider today's news nothing short of a miracle, given her situation the past couple days. Fingers crossed all goes well from this point onward.
My wife and I cheered when we read your update.
Thank you again for sharing. I know she’s not out of the woods yet, and her extended family is still not totally safe, but this bit of news made me happy.
She probably has hundreds of people hoping for her personally, from this site alone. That’s got to be an encouraging feeling.
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Wife just called and said that the train she is on to Ternopol is some kind of special emergency evacuation train and a different route than what is shown on Google maps.. She confirmed it does not stop in Kyiv and she does not have to transfer (thank god). Just has to stay put.
Not sure the exact route, but hopefully it all goes well. She said the train is packed with children and has no toilets, but at least they are handing out water. She estimates it will be a 20 hours trip due to the train being a lot slower than a standard train.
They aren't sure where they are going to go when they arrive, but I read on some websites that schools and malls were hosting people arriving.
I consider today's news nothing short of a miracle, given her situation the past couple days. Fingers crossed all goes well from this point onward.
I hope when you're reunited with your wife and you both can finally chill out for a few days, you can quietly drop one of the greatest atodaso's in history
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For the veterans here….if NATO is flooding Ukraine with MANPADs and personal AT weapons how easily can they be absorbed? Would most soldiers have basic training on these or are they specialist weapons? Is it an individual’s weapon or more of a squad weapon? I’d like to think that every soldier could become a game-changer though obviously there won’t be that many weapons.
For the veterans here….if NATO is flooding Ukraine with MANPADs and personal AT weapons how easily can they be absorbed? Would most soldiers have basic training on these or are they specialist weapons? Is it an individual’s weapon or more of a squad weapon? I’d like to think that every soldier could become a game-changer though obviously there won’t be that many weapons.
I can only speak to Carl-Gustaf Canada is sending, and I reckon someone has sent some M-72s at this point. Both of these systems really only require a half day to get familiar. We need to remember this isn't peacetime training so much of the over applied safety precautions go out the window. For example the back blast area on the range was far and aware great than the actual area in which an individual would be injured if caught in the back blast.
These two weapons are honestly very similar in there aiming/usage as an RPG, obviously different loading mechanisms, RPG is a 1 man weapon, Carl-G is a 2 man weapon.
I can't speak to the other systems that are coming in, but based on the training the West has been doing with Ukraine since the revolt in the East, i suspect many of the soldiers will be familiar with the weapons systems, like the Javelin.
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HW - how is the family that is staying behind doing financially? Is there any need for support for them?
My wife and I help to support them financially and will continue to do so. As well my FIL works (when his country's not being attacked).
At this point the biggest need is food supplies, as their village has been cut off from aid, as has much of that region. They do have a food supply for the time being however. Recently the Russians brought some food supplies to some of the villages in Kharkiv Oblast and were handing it out. They also brought with them, surprise surprise, a TV camera crew to document their "generosity".
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I am wondering about the geopolitical side effects if Russia starts carpet bombing cities into oblivion in order to achieve what they want. Although over 1 million people have already left Ukraine for other nations, mostly Poland, that is a drop in the bucket to what may await other European countries.
This may not be a popular opinion, but this will really test the resolve of European countries, especially the the richer and more powerful ones.
Past global conflicts that have had huge refugee movements really didn't have the same effect on them. If we look at the Syrian civil war, a lot of them made the trip to Turkey and tried the extremely dangerous and often deadly trip to Greece.
For a very very long time countries like Greece and Italy were at the frontline's of the refugee crisis in the EU and with virtually little to no financial support or assistance. It's when the refugee's started making their way north to reach richer states like France and Germany did this become a bigger political issue for European leaders. Greece and Italy were in a financial crisis at the time.
Long story short although the EU has made some changes to allow Ukrainian's the ability to reside for a period of 3 years during this conflict, I don't know if anybody would expect 5-10, 15 million people to leave and show up in Germany, France, Italy, Poland without it causing tension locally and politically.
I am not saying European's aren't tolerant people, they are, to an extent. For a long time the problems were further away and hidden in countries like Turkey, Afghanistan, Syria and than when they did come to Europe, it was Greece and Italy. Eventually small pockets of refugee's made their way to other nations but this Russia/Ukrainian crisis is a different animal and literally next door to the most powerful countries in the world.
I am not suggesting Ukrainian's shouldn't flee or shouldn't go to Europe or anything like that. I just keep hearing from leaders that they don't want to get involved so it doesn't escalate the conflict with Russia. The EU/ NATO, UN or whatever other organizations are just organizations of countries. These countries will need to get significantly more involved and they will also face political pressure one way or another.
I am wondering about the geopolitical side effects if Russia starts carpet bombing cities into oblivion in order to achieve what they want. Although over 1 million people have already left Ukraine for other nations, mostly Poland, that is a drop in the bucket to what may await other European countries.
This may not be a popular opinion, but this will really test the resolve of European countries, especially the the richer and more powerful ones.
Past global conflicts that have had huge refugee movements really didn't have the same effect on them. If we look at the Syrian civil war, a lot of them made the trip to Turkey and tried the extremely dangerous and often deadly trip to Greece.
For a very very long time countries like Greece and Italy were at the frontline's of the refugee crisis in the EU and with virtually little to no financial support or assistance. It's when the refugee's started making their way north to reach richer states like France and Germany did this become a bigger political issue for European leaders. Greece and Italy were in a financial crisis at the time.
Long story short although the EU has made some changes to allow Ukrainian's the ability to reside for a period of 3 years during this conflict, I don't know if anybody would expect 5-10, 15 million people to leave and show up in Germany, France, Italy, Poland without it causing tension locally and politically.
I am not saying European's aren't tolerant people, they are, to an extent. For a long time the problems were further away and hidden in countries like Turkey, Afghanistan, Syria and than when they did come to Europe, it was Greece and Italy. Eventually small pockets of refugee's made their way to other nations but this Russia/Ukrainian crisis is a different animal and literally next door to the most powerful countries in the world.
I am not suggesting Ukrainian's shouldn't flee or shouldn't go to Europe or anything like that. I just keep hearing from leaders that they don't want to get involved so it doesn't escalate the conflict with Russia. The EU/ NATO, UN or whatever other organizations are just organizations of countries. These countries will need to get significantly more involved and they will also face political pressure one way or another.
This reminds me of something I had been thinking about during the Syrian refugee crisis when they arrived in Turkey.
Much was made of the actions of the Turks in terms of how those refugees were treated, describing brutal conditions, lack of facilities, food etc.
And while much of this was true at the same time I thought we have to consider the scale.
Turkey was staring down at what? 3 million people?
Thats akin to staring at an invading army.
Nobody has the logistical capacity to deal with an immediate influx of that many people right at their borders.
People could slag the Turks but what was expected of them was impossible.
I think this is similar to what we may see here. Poland cant handle that many people and the rest of the region isnt exactly what you'd call 'stable.'
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I presume most Ukrainians will want to return to their country once Putin stops drawing breath. More valuable will be funds to rebuild all the homes that craven feckless #### targeted.
This reminds me of something I had been thinking about during the Syrian refugee crisis when they arrived in Turkey.
Much was made of the actions of the Turks in terms of how those refugees were treated, describing brutal conditions, lack of facilities, food etc.
And while much of this was true at the same time I thought we have to consider the scale.
Turkey was staring down at what? 3 million people?
Thats akin to staring at an invading army.
Nobody has the logistical capacity to deal with an immediate influx of that many people right at their borders.
People could slag the Turks but what was expected of them was impossible.
I think this is similar to what we may see here. Poland cant handle that many people and the rest of the region isnt exactly what you'd call 'stable.'
The daily show did a great segment on this the other night. I wish I had a link for the video. Basically, white people = good refugees, brown people = bad refugees.
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The daily show did a great segment on this the other night. I wish I had a link for the video. Basically, white people = good refugees, brown people = bad refugees.
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This is interesting. I wonder if the purported rules of engagement are different if these guys are involved. Technically not 'attacking' Russian armed forces.
In Syria the US blew these guys to pieces and Russia could only stand and watch.
Cool idea. Make sure you look for individually run Airbnbs.
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Airbnb hosts in Ukraine are being flooded with bookings from people all over the world who have no plans to visit. It's part of a creative social media campaign to funnel money to besieged Ukrainians who need financial assistance as Russian forces bombard their country and cut off services.
The idea has picked up momentum. On March 2 and March 3, guests from around the world booked more than 61,000 nights in Ukraine, according to an Airbnb spokesperson. More than half of those nights were booked by Americans, the spokesperson said.
