2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

One year left and Bruins need to restock the cupboards a little. They won’t be able to afford Swayman and Ullmark after next season. If they stick with Ullmark than Swayman will be available.

Sure they may want to trade him. But they will expect as much value, or more, than Calgary does for Markstrom. So why is he cheaper?

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Ullmark is a product of the Bruins team/system
he is an average goalie

That’s not true at all. He did just fine in Buffalo, a trash Buffalo team mind you. He’s a good reason why the Bruins had a historic regular season. Everyone is having a hard time replicating that season, but it doesn’t help Bergeron and Krejci are gone.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

why would Boston sell at under market?

They’ll be picking one of Swayman or Ullmark and their leverage will be significantly reduced. They could ride both and let Ullmark walk but I’d be surprised

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

One year left and Bruins need to restock the cupboards a little. They won’t be able to afford Swayman and Ullmark after next season. If they stick with Ullmark than Swayman will be available.

That explains why they would trade him, but not why they might let him go for less than market

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

That’s not true at all. He did just fine in Buffalo, a trash Buffalo team mind you. He’s a good reason why the Bruins had a historic regular season. Everyone is having a hard time replicating that season, but it doesn’t help Bergeron and Krejci are gone.

They just happen to have two of them

I think Markstom is a better goalie, so does Brodeur

[Buff]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Nemec is completely untouchable. That is a top pairing, all situational right handed defensemen within the next two years.

Reading how some people here think of Fritz and how incompetent they think he is....

Nemec may not be all that untouchable?


Dare to dream, Arnold.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Nobody is untouchable.

Could not agree more, you mean to tell me that a #2 stud of a defenceman and a vezina goalie is not worth what essentially is a downgraded version of hanifin in Nemec, get real

Sound like Fitz just wants to hang onto all of his shiny young players, apparently there is like 6_7 players on this team that are untouchable, I guess a little sacrifice to get a very good starting goaltender is too much for Fitz to bear, enjoy golf season, at least he has priorities straight

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They’ll be picking one of Swayman or Ullmark and their leverage will be significantly reduced. They could ride both and let Ullmark walk but I’d be surprised

Whatever leverage might be lost by Boston having to choose would be gained back by the amount of interest in Ullmark around the league. I think there's going to be a lot of teams looking to upgrade their goaltending this offseason.
I don't see any way Ullmark would be cheaper than Markstrom.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That explains why they would trade him, but not why they might let him go for less than market

He’s a UFA and Swayman needs a new contract this offseason. What is the market for a UFA goalie? If the Devils pony up their 1st and Holtz it would still be the best value for a goalie trade since Schneider.

[PaperBagger'14]

If Fitz won’t trade Mercer or Holtz for Markstrom he’s gonna sewer his pants at the cost to acquire Ullmark. 4 years younger, signed for one more year at a million dollars less than Markstrom, and last years vezina winner? Yep that would be astronomical.

“If we aren’t able to acquire Markstrom or Ullmark we will set our sights on McDavid”.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by FlamesAreOne

They'd hang up the phone.

Most people on phone calls do that at some point.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Buff

Reading how some people here think of Fritz and how incompetent they think he is....

Nemec may not be all that untouchable?


Dare to dream, Arnold.

Let's all hope he's Chiarelli-esque in his incompetence.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by PaperBagger'14

If Fitz won’t trade Mercer or Holtz for Markstrom he’s gonna sewer his pants at the cost to acquire Ullmark. 4 years younger, signed for an additional year at a million dollars less than Markstrom, and last years vezina winner? Yep that would be astronomical.

“If we aren’t able to acquire Markstrom or Ullmark we will set our sights on McDavid”.

Ullmark has one year left.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Ullmark has one year left.

So even less of a financial burden. And more like a one year rental. With way more teams bidding wioth open wallets in the offseason.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Ullmark has one year left.

Fixed, thanks. I think my point still stands however.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Ullmark has one year left.

and I imagine his stats would be a little different had he been on the Flames the last two years. I think everyone knows this

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Ullmark is a product of the Bruins team/system
he is an average goalie

Brent Krahn is not a fan of Ullmark, FWIW.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Just watched Fitz on Holtz. Oof.
That's part of the unknown here. It seems reasonably certain that
- The Devils offered Holtz at some point
- The Flames have been pushing for Mercer instead.

What we don't know what the Flames' interest in Holtz really is. He is a highly drafted player, but the concerns about him at that time, have largely manifested themselves. He has great hands, and scores goals, but the rest of his game has always been deficient. So...do the Flames see him as someone that can develop into a top 6 player, otherwise, if they don't - it's not a great deal for them.

We look at these players through the lens of draft position, pedigree and stats. However, the Flames would have their own book on the player which could be much different than our perception.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

So even less of a financial burden. And more like a one year rental. With way more teams bidding wioth open wallets in the offseason.

Yeah. That’s cheaper in my mind, especially if he has a limited number of teams he will sign with. The closer a player gets to free agency the more their value will decrease.

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Just watched Fitz on Holtz. Oof.
That's part of the unknown here. It seems reasonably certain that
- The Devils offered Holtz at some point
- The Flames have been pushing for Mercer instead.

What we don't know what the Flames' interest in Holtz really is. He is a highly drafted player, but the concerns about him at that time, have largely manifested themselves. He has great hands, and scores goals, but the rest of his game has always been deficient. So...do the Flames see him as someone that can develop into a top 6 player, otherwise, if they don't - it's not a great deal for them.

We look at these players through the lens of draft position, pedigree and stats. However, the Flames would have their own book on the player which could be much different than our perception.

Great points, would love to know what they see the gap as. Because maybe they love Mercer but still kinda like holtz and his upside. Is the risk of him not hitting his upside worth an additional second? Is it the difference between a first this year and a first next year? Tough to say. But I’m confident that the ask for a retained markstrom is Mercer and this years 1st. And if that has been met it would be done by now