It's just hard to tell what the spikes will look like on the 4090 and what the max power draw will be for high-end CPUs. If the 3090 is spiking over 650 could the 4090 hit over 750? A 1000w PSU is probably going to be okay anyway I guess provided your CPU doesn't get into that 300 range (12900ks has been shown to be able to get close to that). Getting a little closer though.
Incidentally it's pretty hard to figure out what is going on with system power in Ubuntu, I'm finding. A lot of stuff on Linux either doesn't work, or did but breaks when something updates. I can't get an overlay a la Afterburner to work, and apparently it's a known issue. I might have to abandon this Linux thing just for the sake of convenience.
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It's just hard to tell what the spikes will look like on the 4090 and what the max power draw will be for high-end CPUs. If the 3090 is spiking over 650 could the 4090 hit over 750? A 1000w PSU is probably going to be okay anyway I guess provided your CPU doesn't get into that 300 range (12900ks has been shown to be able to get close to that). Getting a little closer though.
Incidentally it's pretty hard to figure out what is going on with system power in Ubuntu, I'm finding. A lot of stuff on Linux either doesn't work, or did but breaks when something updates. I can't get an overlay a la Afterburner to work, and apparently it's a known issue. I might have to abandon this Linux thing just for the sake of convenience.
I mean, the games that spike your CPU (4Xs, RTS, etc.) Aren't the ones that will spike the card. High end PSUs can handle momentary overdraw, and 240v circuits typically run more efficient by default than 120v as well. Also from what I'm reading, the 3090/Ti transient load spikes are ~510w max.
I would be shocked if we ever see a game that maxes your CPU draw and GPU at the same time, and even a Premiere render with CUDA effects only pushes a GPU to ~50% load.
Incidentally it's pretty hard to figure out what is going on with system power in Ubuntu, I'm finding. A lot of stuff on Linux either doesn't work, or did but breaks when something updates. I can't get an overlay a la Afterburner to work, and apparently it's a known issue. I might have to abandon this Linux thing just for the sake of convenience.
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I mean, the games that spike your CPU (4Xs, RTS, etc.) Aren't the ones that will spike the card. High end PSUs can handle momentary overdraw, and 240v circuits typically run more efficient by default than 120v as well. Also from what I'm reading, the 3090/Ti transient load spikes are ~510w max.
I was thinking more just a consistently high power draw if you're overclocking it. Stuff like this is a bit disconcerting.
... As for the spikes, Gamers Nexus had them at 650+ from this video a few weeks ago.
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I'm not giving up yet. I'll at least give myself a chance to get used to it. The thing is, it seems to be either for people who are completely technologically illiterate (it's actually way less complicated to use than windows; it's much more like iOS) or like... software developers and coders who are comfortable doing everything through a command prompt. Just installing things from the app store is perfectly simple, obviously, the problem is that if things don't work I don't feel competent enough to fix them.
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I'm not giving up yet. I'll at least give myself a chance to get used to it. The thing is, it seems to be either for people who are completely technologically illiterate (it's actually way less complicated to use than windows; it's much more like iOS) or like... software developers and coders who are comfortable doing everything through a command prompt. Just installing things from the app store is perfectly simple, obviously, the problem is that if things don't work I don't feel competent enough to fix them.
You're pretty much bang on, it's a great OS for people who just need the basics or for advanced users who need it for specialized requirements. I've used Ubuntu a bunch in enterprise environments for things like Docker swarms and thin client setups and it's fantastic for those. But I'm over fighting with video and sound drivers trying to use it for my main PC, I fought that battle 10 years ago and gave up. I also don't want to continuously look for alternative apps, I like using Word/Outlook/Photoshop/Teamviewer/etc. I have no time to search for the best alternative and learn them just to get close to the same functionality I already have. Same with games, Steam has made great strides with Proton but even then, the best you can hope for in Linux is close to or equal performance with Windows. There's simply no compelling advantages to switching to Linux for your average PC user
Going full efficiency this time around, grabbed a Seasonic PRIME Ultra Titanium 1000w on sale from Newegg. Got a 240v/15a line for all my gaming PCs now so I'm curious to see if I can hit ~95% efficiency with a 4090 when they drop.
Hope I don't regret not going 1200w/1300w Platinum instead!
What does the plug actually look like for you 240v line to your PC?
What does the plug actually look like for you 240v line to your PC?
Like one of these, or more like a dryer plug?
Your pic is a NEMA6-20P (20amp, 14g cable likely). Dryers use NEMA14-30R typically (30 amp).
My 240v/15A lines all use a NEMA6-15R receptacle, which is the standard for that voltage/amperage in Canada:
I then use a 6-15P to C19 cable to plug into a PDU (C20 input), which has both C19 and C13 outs which can feed my PCs and monitors (or in the case of my mechanical room the PDU feeds my miners/ASICs). I still have a 120v/15a NEMA5-15R nearby to power normal stuff like my audio monitors, router, etc.
240v/15a is really simple to install because to code it uses the same cabling as a 120v/15a line in Canada; only 20a+ lines require a heftier cable. A 240v/15A line just forgoes the Neutral line and supplies two 120v/15a hots from a dual pole breaker.
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Yep, you can turn any circuit into 240v/15a effectively just by plugging it into a dual pole 240v/15a breaker at the panel, but I would highly recommend swapping the receptacle(s) on the circuit so people don't plug devices without 240v handling into it, even if it's more annoying.
There's simply no compelling advantages to switching to Linux for your average PC user
Well, I mean... it's free. So there's that. I guess you can use an unactivated version of Windows 10 for free, but that's also kind of annoying.
I'm finding the gaming performance through Steam to be basically identical to Windows with the exception of being able to do the stuff that Afterburner allows me to do. The Steam Deck apparently led to a lot of work being put in on the Proton side of things to the point where there's barely any noticeable difference there.
My AIO is in B.C. so at least until I yank the stock CPU cooler off the board (which doesn't even fit, it's being held on by 2 screws and I'm not sure it's seated all that well) I'll keep running it like this I think. I fixed the PCIe 4.0 issue, so everything is running well, and even with the cooler like that I'm getting idles in the 30s and max temps in the low 70s on the GPU and 80s on the CPU in games, which isn't particularly good, but it's... acceptable.
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Apparently not anymore, it was superceded by a different suite of programs that are now also busted and require a work-around.
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Well, I mean... it's free. So there's that. I guess you can use an unactivated version of Windows 10 for free, but that's also kind of annoying.
Well your average PC user isn't building their own box from parts, they buy a laptop that includes Windows 10/11 with free upgrades. And even if you do build your own PC you can get Windows keys dirt cheap through places like Kingquin that sell surplus OEM keys for under $50
Linux has it's niches where it excels over Windows and it can be very fun for hobbyists and enthusiasts, but it's just not something I would ever recommend anyone use for their only PC experience
