[News] With the 21st overall pick Flames select C Mark Jankowski

[codynw]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

I bet the Rangers have already started a 3 prong campaign to sign him.
Subliminal, liminal, and superliminal

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[868904]

Flames get a 2nd round pick if he doesn't sign right?

I don't know that his value is much more than that right now. Yes he was a 1st rounder but it's more about his value now. I haven't watched his games but in the highlights, I don't see too much special there. Nothing to really wow you like Johnny was in college (not that this is a fair comparison). Good size and skills for sure, but at this point, I don't see much more than Joe Colborne.

Is Colborne worth a 2nd round pick?

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Leeman4Gilmour

I think that's probably the key right there. If Calgary can't do what they did for Gaudreau and Arnold and burn a year off his ELC, then you really can' blame a guy for thinking "Hmmmm, I have a chance to sign with absolutely anyone"

I don't know if he would do it, but you couldn't blame a guy for thinking it.

True. But you gotta think at this point... Who is in this guy's ear that would convince him to go someplace else? It's possible that he has a childhood fantasy of playing for the Montreal or another team promises him minutes, who knows? But considering this guy's dad is employed by hockey Canada to help run the National Jr. Program, I am making the leap of faith that he values the concept of making a team through worth and having loyalty to those who supported you. His dad would have also worked with Brad Pasqual in some capacity. Burke and Conroy are also well-respected in the college scene, with the added bonus of Burke being a Providence alum. we have 3 Providence players/alum in our system, one of whom is seemingly a good friend. Everything to me points towards Janko staying a Flame.

[442scotty]

Burn the first year like Johnny and Arnold... problem solved... No point in stressing over it...

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

Burn the first year like Johnny and Arnold... problem solved... No point in stressing over it...

How can you do that when they likely won't sign until after the season ends?

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

How can you do that when they likely won't sign until after the season ends?

If he plays in the playoffs does that burn a year? Did we burn a year on Gilies last summer?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by 868904

Flames get a 2nd round pick if he doesn't sign right?

I don't know that his value is much more than that right now. Yes he was a 1st rounder but it's more about his value now. I haven't watched his games but in the highlights, I don't see too much special there. Nothing to really wow you like Johnny was in college (not that this is a fair comparison). Good size and skills for sure, but at this point, I don't see much more than Joe Colborne.

Is Colborne worth a 2nd round pick?

Colborne has nothing to do with it. I would rather have Janko than the 50th something pick.

(and just for fun, I think Colborne might be worth a similar pick, give or take)

[saillias]

Originally Posted by 868904

Flames get a 2nd round pick if he doesn't sign right?

I don't know that his value is much more than that right now. Yes he was a 1st rounder but it's more about his value now. I haven't watched his games but in the highlights, I don't see too much special there. Nothing to really wow you like Johnny was in college (not that this is a fair comparison). Good size and skills for sure, but at this point, I don't see much more than Joe Colborne.

Is Colborne worth a 2nd round pick?

Yeah I think that's about what he's worth. He is now a bonafide NHLer who is steadily increasing his PPG every year, 6'5" and he can skate and play on your 3rd line.

That said Colborne's value is not really relevant because right out of college his value was higher, and right out of college Jankowski's perceived value is better than that.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If he plays in the playoffs does that burn a year? Did we burn a year on Gilies last summer?

Yes and yes.

If Providence goes back to the Frozen Four final and the Flames don't make the playoffs, both teams will play their last game at the same time. If Providence doesn't make it back to the Frozen Four and/or the Flames do make the playoffs, burning a year of his contract won't be a problem.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I'm not panicking either, I'd say over 90% he signs with the Flames. It's not fair to say that's because of character though. There's 29 other teams that would've treated him the same, it's not like he's be a bad person here for choosing elsewhere.

I dunno, to me it rubs me the wrong way when you bail on the team that put so much effort and development into you. Let me rephrase, I think Janko (like Johnny) has too much character to stab the flames in the back.

[Bingo]

If you asked me 2 years ago what I'd prefer

a) Jankowski doesn't develop, Flames let him walk get compensation pick
b) Jankowski develops and CP goes into panic mode before August

I'm pretty sure I'd take the "angst" and a player over the walk away and a pick. Good problem to have. Luckily the Flames have supported the kid all along making it unlikely he plays the market.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by 868904

Flames get a 2nd round pick if he doesn't sign right?

I don't know that his value is much more than that right now. Yes he was a 1st rounder but it's more about his value now. I haven't watched his games but in the highlights, I don't see too much special there. Nothing to really wow you like Johnny was in college (not that this is a fair comparison). Good size and skills for sure, but at this point, I don't see much more than Joe Colborne.

Is Colborne worth a 2nd round pick?

Why are you comparing Gaudreau to Jankowski?

Jankowski plays a more important position, has top-6 skills and is a big body. He's also VERY good defensively and on face-offs.

Of course he isn't as skilled as Gaudreau, but there are only a few NHLers that are as skilled as Gaudreau, let alone in the NCAA.

I would rather have him signed than receive a pick, even a 1st round pick. He's taken this long to develop and has progressed well every step of the way. I mean he was playing high school hockey when drafted, it takes time.

[Red Menace]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Lol, good looking player but bad pick because you stubbornly said so at the time? If the player is good, the pick is good. It honestly seems like the perfect time to have taken a project player. He is on exactly the timeline that he was projected to be on, and looks seriously good doing it.

What do you think is a 'real' chance? 5%? 50%? Anything to keep the bogus narrative of 'bad pick' alive, right?

I don't have any information about it, but my assumption is that any player would prefer to be a UFA over being tied to one team. I think he probably signs with Flames, and I sure hope he does.
I don't see why one can't criticize the thinking behind the decision without being gang tackled by everyone. It was a poor decision at the time, regardless of how it pans out. There were players available with much less risk associated to them...and the 2012 Flames were not in a position to be gamblers.
Even if you hit that inside straight on the river it doesn't mean it was a good decision to call the bet....

[Robbob]

[QUOTE=getbak;5544745]Yes and yes.

If Providence goes back to the Frozen Four final and the Flames don't make the playoffs, both teams will play their last game at the same time. If Providence doesn't make it back to the Frozen Four and/or the Flames do make the playoffs, burning a year of his contract won't be a problem.[/QUOTE]

I don't know how eager the coach would be to put in a rookie in a playoff game just so they can burn that year. Would be an interesting conversation to hear.

[dammage79]

I have the upmost faith that Jankowski is not going to deke out on the Flames at the end of the year. here was this massive consternation with Gaudreau too. hat turned out well for CGY. Jankowski should see that Backlund is his placeholder and it's only a matter of time and a little more work in the AHL before he gets a seat at the big boys table. I'm really glad he's developed properly and actually has gotten a lot of CP to finally wake up and start to worry about him not signing here.

For all the years of endless debate on him, getting to this point is good.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I don't know how eager the coach would be to put in a rookie in a playoff game just so they can burn that year. Would be an interesting conversation to hear.

he doesnt have to play a game to burn a year. Jon Gillies burned a year without playing a game.

[Vinny01]

[QUOTE=Robbob;5544780]

Originally Posted by getbak

Yes and yes.

If Providence goes back to the Frozen Four final and the Flames don't make the playoffs, both teams will play their last game at the same time. If Providence doesn't make it back to the Frozen Four and/or the Flames do make the playoffs, burning a year of his contract won't be a problem.[/QUOTE]

I don't know how eager the coach would be to put in a rookie in a playoff game just so they can burn that year. Would be an interesting conversation to hear.

It depends how Janko's season goes and what the Flames injury situation is like. Kreider made his NHL debut in the playoffs and was a pretty solid player in his limited role. Janko would add size to our lineup and would likely be coming in hot. Sam Bennett played one game and then was a fixture on our playoff roster maybe Jankowski can do the same?

[druetetective]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If you asked me 2 years ago what I'd prefer

a) Jankowski doesn't develop, Flames let him walk get compensation pick
b) Jankowski develops and CP goes into panic mode before August

I'm pretty sure I'd take the "angst" and a player over the walk away and a pick. Good problem to have. Luckily the Flames have supported the kid all along making it unlikely he plays the market.

The Flames wouldn't get the pick if he didn't develop and they "let him walk". They have to offer him a contract 1st. It's after he declines they receive the compensation.

[SuperMatt18]

I think Jankowski wants to be a Flame and I think development camp does a good job in building a bond to the team.

The other aspect I think isn't there a history with the Jankowski and Button family. IIRC wasn't Tod Button a babysitter for the Jankowski family, and their families were close friends due to the NHL and the scouting connections.

If Button is in the organization still, and was the one who scouted the kid, may make him more likely to sign here.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

he doesnt have to play a game to burn a year. Jon Gillies burned a year without playing a game.

Thought they did with the whole plane waiting on the tarmac for Johnny and Arnold. Good to know.