2024/2025 Trade Rumours and Speculation thread

[Tbull8]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Trade 1 with Detroit...

Wings get: Andersson
Flames get: 14th overall, Wallinder

Trade 2 with NJ...

NJ gets: Markstrom w/retention, 14th OA
Flames get: 10 OA, '25 first round w/protection

Flames draft Iginla and Yakemchuk and add another 20 something d man to the who knows pile.

Id be good with a lesser prospect than Wallinder if we’re getting 14th

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

Id be good with a lesser prospect than Wallinder if we’re getting 14th

Me too, but he's ranked somewhere between 8-10 in their system. Wouldn't go too much below that and he's the one name I knew in that range. His stock is obviously falling a bit.

[FlamesAddiction]

Unpopular opinion, but I would trade Huberdeau for Dubois.

I don't like Dubois, but he is only just about to turn 26 and probably has better rebound potential. It also saves $2 million in cap space per year over the same length of time. The contract also isn't as buyout proof if it came to that after a few seasons.

[konradical]

Why would the kings do that trade tho

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by konradical

Why would the kings do that trade tho

For the reason the Flames shouldn't do it. PLD is a negative to a team. Not even just a guy who's struggling to produce like Huberdeau. An actual detriment to morale, on ice team play and mentorship.

Huberdeau, for all his struggles (mostly ion December and in the dying days of the season), works on D, supports the kids on the team a lot and seems to GAF. And players like Kuzmenko and Sharangovich seemed to get a boost playing with him.

[Inferno]

Originally Posted by YyjFlames

It kind of can be both... and really, it started with the intention to quickly retool where they initially wanted to trade a couple of their free agents who wouldn't sign and resign the rest.

That didn't happen because they had a poor start to the year, so they had to trade all of them, which made for a longer retool. And if they trade Markstrom and Wolf and the other young guys don't take a big step -- and then Andersson and Sherangovich want out -- they're very much forced into a full rebuild even if they intended a quicker retool.

It could end up having to turn into a rebuild but I look at it more as a "smart retool" where Conroy's focus is still playoffs but he's not going to waste assets on older players to do it.

He's not just looking at the present but the future which is why he's doing trades like the Toffoli, Lindholm, and Hanifin trade where he's getting back someone who can play now and prospects/picks who will hopefully be playing in the future.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

For the reason the Flames shouldn't do it. PLD is a negative to a team. Not even just a guy who's struggling to produce like Huberdeau. An actual detriment to morale, on ice team play and ad mentorship.

Huberdeau, for all his struggles (mostly ion December and in the dying days of the season), works on D, supports the kids on the team a lot and seems to GAF. And players like Kuzmenko and Sharangovich seemed to get a boost playing with him.

Dublois can be bought out for 1/3rd of his contract as he is 25. LA should jump on that this summer. Zero chance they would take on Huberdeau for him.

For that reason only, he's a better bet.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Dublois can be bought out for 1/3rd of his contract as he is 25. LA should jump on that this summer. Zero chance they would take on Huberdeau for him.

For that reason only, he's a better bet.

Yeah, if LA wants out of their mistake they just buy PLD out over taking on Huberdeau's contract.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yeah, if LA wants out of their mistake they just buy PLD out over taking on Huberdeau's contract.

Probably.

Or, as has happened in the past, PLD might suddenly do something that causes a termination event.

[Lewis_D]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

For the reason the Flames shouldn't do it. PLD is a negative to a team. Not even just a guy who's struggling to produce like Huberdeau. An actual detriment to morale, on ice team play and ad mentorship.

Huberdeau, for all his struggles (mostly ion December and in the dying days of the season), works on D, supports the kids on the team a lot and seems to GAF. And players like Kuzmenko and Sharangovich seemed to get a boost playing with him.

This, 100%.

I know I'm in the minority here and probably naive too but I think Huby will turn it around and start producing more, obviously I don't expect another 100+pt season, but in the 70-90 range seems achievable.

Yes, I know that still doesn't justify a 10.5 cap hit but with improved numbers, a higher cap, and all of those other qualities mentioned above we can atleast work with that.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Lewis_D

This, 100%.

I know I'm in the minority here and probably naive too but I think Huby will turn it around and start producing more, obviously I don't expect another 100+pt season, but in the 70-90 range seems achievable.

Yes, I know that still doesn't justify a 10.5 cap hit but with improved numbers, a higher cap, and all of those other qualities mentioned above we can atleast work with that.

70-90 points would make his cap hit tolerable. Probably still not tradeable without a lot of retention or a sweetener, but it would be enough to make him not an anchor for the next 7 years.

I haven't seen anything to suggest he is going to be more than a 50 point guy at best going forward, but I hope you're right.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

70-90 points would make his cap hit tolerable. Probably still not tradeable without a lot of retention or a sweetener, but it would be enough to make him not an anchor for the next 7 years.

I haven't seen anything to suggest he is going to be more than a 50 point guy at best going forward, but I hope you're right.

He would have been pretty close to 70 except he had a miserable December. All his other months were much much better. They tended to coincide with him playing with Sharangovich and/or Kuzmenko.

[stemit14]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Trade 1 with Detroit...

Wings get: Andersson
Flames get: 14th overall, Wallinder

Trade 2 with NJ...

NJ gets: Markstrom w/retention, 14th OA
Flames get: 10 OA, '25 first round w/protection

Flames draft Iginla and Yakemchuk and add another 20 something d man to the who knows pile.

I like those trades a lot. And I like the prospect selections a lot too. The trades seem pretty fair for all teams. The 2025 first round pick from Jersey can include protections like making the playoffs. If they don’t make it, it becomes a 2nd round pick.

Tough trades to get done though. Once you are at the draft, teams love to wait to see who is available at their pick before deciding if they want to pull the trigger on trading a pick away or dropping back in the draft. Can’t make the trade with Jersey before making the trade with Detroit so Conroy would have to convince Detroit to give up their pick before the draft or when Jersey is about to pick.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

He would have been pretty close to 70 except he had a miserable December. All his other months were much much better. They tended to coincide with him playing with Sharangovich and/or Kuzmenko.

In the first two months of the season, he was on a 53 point pace. Then came the miserable December. He was on a 63 point pace in the last 3.5 months.

If you replace his 1 point December with the same as he did in the first part of the season, he would have ended up with 59 points.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Unpopular opinion, but I would trade Huberdeau for Dubois.

I don't like Dubois, but he is only just about to turn 26 and probably has better rebound potential. It also saves $2 million in cap space per year over the same length of time. The contract also isn't as buyout proof if it came to that after a few seasons.

We’re not anywhere close to being in a cap problem on the high end… so that reasoning makes absolutely no sense for the Flames.

You gotta have a pretty negative outlook to have them both down as buy out candidates. I doubt that happens.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Unpopular opinion, but I would trade Huberdeau for Dubois.

I don't like Dubois, but he is only just about to turn 26 and probably has better rebound potential. It also saves $2 million in cap space per year over the same length of time. The contract also isn't as buyout proof if it came to that after a few seasons.

His attitude is the problem. Wouldn't want Dubois anywhere near the young guys.

[Your Calgary Flames!]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Dublois can be bought out for 1/3rd of his contract as he is 25. LA should jump on that this summer. Zero chance they would take on Huberdeau for him.

For that reason only, he's a better bet.

I believe I heard on the radio today that this is not true due to when he turns 26 this year. Someone correct me if Iam wrong.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

In the first two months of the season, he was on a 53 point pace. Then came the miserable December. He was on a 63 point pace in the last 3.5 months.

If you replace his 1 point December with the same as he did in the first part of the season, he would have ended up with 59 points.

Which is better. And what if you if you replace it with what he did in Jan - March? Mid 60s I think. Obviously he didn’t do it. But while he produced about the same as the year before, I think he looked a whole lot better. I think if he plays on a line with Sharangovich and Kuzmenko for a season he’s at 70.

But it doesn’t really matter at this point anyway. They are rebuilding, why worry about his contract right now? Especially to get an apparent locker room issue.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Your Calgary Flames!

I believe I heard on the radio today that this is not true due to when he turns 26 this year. Someone correct me if Iam wrong.

I’m not sure if it is tied to exact age or when he signed the contract but they will have till June to buy him out if it is actual age.

[FlamesAddiction]

You can't just erase the bad months. Disappearing for long stretches isn't something to just write-off. It's all part of the finished product at the end of the season. With 2 seasons now with in the 50-55 point range, there is no reason to think it gets better now.