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Old 10-02-2015, 08:32 AM   #2241
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This type of sensational report probably doesn't help either...



And yes, the clip was edited for effect, but the point still stands.
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Old 10-02-2015, 08:51 AM   #2242
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The shooter was apparently targeting Christians. An atheist terrorist?
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Old 10-02-2015, 09:44 AM   #2243
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Old 10-02-2015, 10:40 AM   #2244
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I am really starting to wonder if American culture is just violent and disturbing by nature now, and maybe this isn't a gun control issue. This is the stupid irony of the situation. I am totally anti-gun, however, if I lived in the US I would absolutely own one strictly for protection, unless the laws were changed. Thank god I have zero intention of ever living there.

This is a self perpetuating problem.
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Old 10-02-2015, 10:59 AM   #2245
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I am really starting to wonder if American culture is just violent and disturbing by nature now, and maybe this isn't a gun control issue. This is the stupid irony of the situation. I am totally anti-gun, however, if I lived in the US I would absolutely own one strictly for protection, unless the laws were changed. Thank god I have zero intention of ever living there.

This is a self perpetuating problem.
It's a myriad of issues my friend, not least of which is racism.

Fear, racism, classism, lobbies and special interests all come together to force you to believe that you NEED a gun to protect yourself. The neighbor on your right is black, the neighbor on your left has mental illness, and every single person you come across on the street wants to kill you and rape your wife. Better carry a concealed weapon at all times.

The protection thing is such bull#### it's not even funny. People think they'll turn into a cold blooded, delta force black ops fighter when thugs invade their home in the middle of the night when the reality is you'll probably end up shooting everything but the intruder.

On a perfect day at the range when you are calm and collected, hitting targets can be challenging. In the dark while you perceive your life to be in danger with a hand gun? Have fun aiming and not capping your kids.

People worship their guns because they've been conditioned to. They've had paranoia shoved down their throats since 'Nam (literally). The protection thing is a ruse. It's as simple as that.

I know tons of hunters in Canada and there is no cult of worship around their guns. It's a tool to humanely kill game animals, simple as that.
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Old 10-02-2015, 11:02 AM   #2246
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I am really starting to wonder if American culture is just violent and disturbing by nature now, and maybe this isn't a gun control issue. This is the stupid irony of the situation. I am totally anti-gun, however, if I lived in the US I would absolutely own one strictly for protection, unless the laws were changed. Thank god I have zero intention of ever living there.

This is a self perpetuating problem.
I think a lot of people forget that the USA is 10x bigger than Canada. They also have to deal with issues that we don't like the legacy of slavery and a massive border with Mexico. Once you pull out gang related shootings and suicides, the rate of shootings per capita is not that different in the USA.
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Old 10-02-2015, 11:07 AM   #2247
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I think a lot of people forget that the USA is 10x bigger than Canada. They also have to deal with issues that we don't like the legacy of slavery and a massive border with Mexico. Once you pull out gang related shootings and suicides, the rate of shootings per capita is not that different in the USA.
Certainly Canada has some advantages in that respect. As much as we pile on for their gun culture, Canada is not a great example of a gun/violence free country either. Last time I looked at the data, we were middle of the pack. Nowhere near the U.S., but not good enough to brag either.
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Old 10-02-2015, 12:44 PM   #2248
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Oregon college shooting: Investigators recover 13 firearms

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A federal agency says investigators have recovered six weapons at an Oregon community college and seven at the apartment of the gunman who killed nine people.

ATF Assistant Special Agent in Charge Celinez Nunez said at a news conference Friday that all of the weapons were purchased legally, seven of them by the shooter or his family members in the last three years. She says investigators found five pistols,along with a flak jacket next to a rifle at the school.
13 firearms. All purchased legally.
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Certainly Canada has some advantages in that respect. As much as we pile on for their gun culture, Canada is not a great example of a gun/violence free country either. Last time I looked at the data, we were middle of the pack. Nowhere near the U.S., but not good enough to brag either.
Over 70% of gun violence in Canada comes from an illegal gun smuggled in from..."drum roll"
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The shooter was apparently targeting Christians. An atheist terrorist?
Actually he was an IRA freak, so more likely a protestant targeting catholics.

Anyway, they are saying he had 13 guns, 7 recovered at the school and 6 at home.
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I don't think these things have anything to do with religion.
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I don't think these things have anything to do with religion.
Maybe not, but I wonder how many of these things would happen if people didn't have the ridiculous notion of an afterlife.
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Oregon college shooting: Investigators recover 13 firearms

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13 firearms. All purchased legally.
He's a responsible gun owner.
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I don't think these things have anything to do with religion.

These incidents or this particular incident?
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Actually he was an IRA freak, so more likely a protestant targeting catholics.

Anyway, they are saying he had 13 guns, 7 recovered at the school and 6 at home.
He was asking people if they were Christians. He wasn't specifically asking them if they were Catholics or Protestants.

Also, from the story:

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I think this might have more to do with his political ideological beliefs more than anything.
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Old 10-02-2015, 02:01 PM   #2257
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These incidents or this particular incident?
Specifically, all of them. There is probably another factor that significant. Mental illness is almost certainly the primary component.
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Old 10-02-2015, 02:14 PM   #2258
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I have read that he had a half-British accent. Not that it matters any, but with the atheist slant, it seems like an unorthodox profile for the lineage of profiles in US shooting sprees.
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Old 10-02-2015, 02:23 PM   #2259
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Actually he was an IRA freak, so more likely a protestant targeting catholics.

Anyway, they are saying he had 13 guns, 7 recovered at the school and 6 at home.
FFS, read a book T@T. The IRA is/was a group made up of prodominately Catholics. So if he was an "IRA freak", he would be a Catholic killing Protestants. Note, that there is/was a Protestant militia equivalent in the UDF (Ulster Defense Force, terrorists). Not to be confused with the UDR (Ulster Defense Regiment, legit soldiers) which was a division of the British military.

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Specifically, all of them. There is probably another factor that significant. Mental illness is almost certainly the primary component.
Is someone who commits murder in the name of a myth a religious zealot or a person with mental health issues, or both?
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