American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[Senator Clay Davis]

I uhh....well.....yeah....American education on display here

https://twitter.com/user/status/1395524167781527552

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

I think the emphasis should be on the second paragraph, not the first.

You're right. I'm sure it'll be in the next budget.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

I mean considering the crazy amount of money Biden is already planning to spend to fundamentally fix the economy, I sincerely doubt he could get any more spending passed even with full democratic control.

Again, pragmatism has to be a consideration here. There are lots of problems to fix, but there will be time in the future to address those other things (hopefully). Yanking the country from the precipice of a long recession is far more important right now.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I uhh....well.....yeah....American education on display here

https://twitter.com/user/status/1395524167781527552

The top rated response is gold.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1395619739615961090

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I mean considering the crazy amount of money Biden is already planning to spend to fundamentally fix the economy, I sincerely doubt he could get any more spending passed even with full democratic control.



Again, pragmatism has to be a consideration here. There are lots of problems to fix, but there will be time in the future to address those other things (hopefully). Yanking the country from the precipice of a long recession is far more important right now.

Okay, so maybe don't promise these things in the first place then? I don't have an issue with pragmatism. I have an issue with essentially lying to voters. That's the type of stuff that contributes to voter apathy.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Okay, so maybe don't promise these things in the first place then? I don't have an issue with pragmatism. I have an issue with essentially lying to voters. That's the type of stuff that contributes to voter apathy.

If your biggest gripe is making a campaign promise that you don't follow through on, then you'll never ever be satisfied with any politician ever and I think you need to check your idealistic expectations a little.

Voter apathy is a problem, but only when things are going well. If enough people are pissed off and angry, they'll vote (see: last election). I'm far more concerned about voter suppression than apathy.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

If your biggest gripe is making a campaign promise that you don't follow through on, then you'll never ever be satisfied with any politician ever and I think you need to check your idealistic expectations a little.

Voter apathy is a problem, but only when things are going well. If enough people are pissed off and angry, they'll vote (see: last election). I'm far more concerned about voter suppression than apathy.

That's nice to say if none of the broken campaign promises comprise a big reason to why you voted for someone.

For others, it matters a lot. I don't think it's fair to say someone who student debt or prescription drug issue impacts greatly will just "never be happy" when those promises aren't fulfilled.

If you make 10 promises and I vote for you because of 5 of them, and you break 4/10 but 4/5 I voted for you on, that's not idealistic of someone to be upset about, that's ####. These things impact people. These things matter. Why explain it away?

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

I mean considering the crazy amount of money Biden is already planning to spend to fundamentally fix the economy, I sincerely doubt he could get any more spending passed even with full democratic control.

Again, pragmatism has to be a consideration here. There are lots of problems to fix, but there will be time in the future to address those other things (hopefully). Yanking the country from the precipice of a long recession is far more important right now.

Agreed. I would guess that the family and infrastructure plan won't be passed as tabled and that a watered down version will be required. It will be interesting to see if that is viewed as success or a fail by some.

[HockeyIlliterate]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I, for one, am shocked.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1395790089310064651

I like how those who are currently on government health care (and, in the case of Biden specifically, who has basically had government health care for most, if not all, of his entire life) are unwilling to provide the same to those that they claim to represent.

[Dion]

Marjorie Taylor Greene calls Nancy Pelosi 'mentally ill' and compares House mask rules to the Holocaust

Greene continued her rant against Pelosi by comparing the mask-wearing requirement to the Holocaust.

"You know, we can look back in a time in history where people were told to wear a gold star and they were definitely treated like second-class citizens, so much so that they were put in trains and taken to gas chambers in Nazi Germany," Greene said. "And this is exactly the type of abuse that Nancy Pelosi is talking about."

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other...?ocid=msedgntp

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Dion

Marjorie Taylor Greene calls Nancy Pelosi 'mentally ill' and compares House mask rules to the Holocaust



https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other...?ocid=msedgntp

"Exactly the type of abuse". Greene is an idiot.

[Izzle]

It's only a matter of time when they have a fundraiser in a gun range and put masks on the target so that people can shoot them.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Okay, so maybe don't promise these things in the first place then? I don't have an issue with pragmatism. I have an issue with essentially lying to voters. That's the type of stuff that contributes to voter apathy.

If by the end of a 4 year term, his administration hasn’t made meaningful progress, you’ll have a point.

It would be great if everything promised was achieved or in progress right away. But there are limits, both in the form of resources and bandwidth.

[dobbles]

Originally Posted by Barnet Flame

If by the end of a 4 year term, his administration hasn’t made meaningful progress, you’ll have a point.

It would be great if everything promised was achieved or in progress right away. But there are limits, both in the form of resources and bandwidth.

Unfortunately he most likely only has 2 years as the midterms are never kind when a party has both houses of congress and the white house.

Not to mention his razor thin margin in the senate means they have to concede so much to begin with.

This is what happened to Obama. He went all in on the ACA and then nothing else was able to get done because they were out of political capital. So this may be about it for signature legislation for Biden. It sucks, but its reality. So as we look towards 2022 and 2024, what exactly should people be excited about?

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Right, so where's the failing of Biden and the Democrats here?

I was simply explaining why things are going the way they are down there, not disagreeing with you. I think it's asking a bit much of Democrats to forcibly change the conspiracy-laden right's view on vaccinations.

[direwolf]

Oh fer christ sakes. So these dips**ts can just do any recount they want even though multiple recounts and audits were already conducted (showing zero evidence of fraud), and the results were officially certified months ago? Why are judges allowing this stupid crap to continue so long after the election?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...audit-77833150

A judge on Friday agreed to unseal absentee ballots to allow for an audit of November election results in Georgia's most populous county.

Henry County Superior Court Judge Brian Amero said the specifics of the audit of more than 145,000 absentee ballots from Fulton County would be outlined in a future order, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

The ruling stems from a lawsuit against the county that alleges evidence of fraudulent ballots and improper counting. The judge said he'll order county officials to scan the ballots and produce high resolution images. The plaintiffs plan to use those images to determine whether the ballots were completed by hand or machine to determine their legitimacy, the newspaper reported.

The plaintiffs, nine Georgia voters, will pay for the audit, the newspaper reported.
Fulton County Commission Chairman Robb Pitts issued a statement after Friday's ruling saying it's “outrageous that Fulton County continues to be a target of those who cannot accept the results from last year’s election.”

“The votes have been counted multiple times, including a hand recount, and no evidence of fraud has been found,” Pitts said, "The fact remains that Fulton County safely and securely carried out an election in the midst of a public health crisis. It’s a shame to see that the ‘Big Lie’ lives on and could cost the hardworking taxpayers of this county.”

The plaintiffs wanted to take the absentee ballots to a private company for scanning and inspection, the newspaper reported. But Amero cited federal and state law Friday in saying that county election officials must retain custody of the ballots during the audit. That could avoid issues like those raised during an audit in Arizona.

Georgia election results were certified months ago, and this audit cannot change the results. Before certification, the state did a full hand recount of the presidential race to satisfy a new audit requirement in state law.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Right, so where's the failing of Biden and the Democrats here?

US overall vax rates will be low.
Is this the fault of the Biden administration? No
Did the administration do anything to correct this? No
Is there anything he could have done? Maybe not.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

US overall vax rates will be low.
Is this the fault of the Biden administration? No
Did the administration do anything to correct this? No
Is there anything he could have done? Maybe not.

In my opinion working with republicans and giving them credit for vaccine procurement would have been a starting point to get people embracing it. Instead it was used as a look at how trump was failing and how great we are.

Biden did the easy part that no jurisdiction but Japan has failed at. Getting doses in arms. It didn’t need to be a partisan issue.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by GGG

In my opinion working with republicans and giving them credit for vaccine procurement would have been a starting point to get people embracing it. Instead it was used as a look at how trump was failing and how great we are.

Biden did the easy part that no jurisdiction but Japan has failed at. Getting doses in arms. It didn’t need to be a partisan issue.

The Democrats find themselves walking a fine line. When they play the partisan games they get criticized for dividing America and when they try to be bi-partisan they get criticized for losing elections because they're not tough enough to play the game.

When you have one party full of policy wonks that occasionally tries to address issues and another party that is generally only interested in power at any cost, pressure to improve should be applied to the latter rather than the former. Cut out the cancer and then deal with the head cold.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by GGG

In my opinion working with republicans and giving them credit for vaccine procurement would have been a starting point to get people embracing it. Instead it was used as a look at how trump was failing and how great we are.

Biden did the easy part that no jurisdiction but Japan has failed at. Getting doses in arms. It didn’t need to be a partisan issue.

Except they did a ####ty job on vaccine procurement. That's why we were way behind on getting vaccine out. I'm all for giving credit where credit is due, but the complete lack of leadership provided by the previous administration is criminal. Millions around the globe are dead because of it.