iPhone on Rogers - General iPhone on Rogers / Fido discussions

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

I still fail to see why some are saying t's an iPhone killer. To me, the devices are dissimilar due to the screen size and keyboard alone. How you use these two devices is different.

In what area does this kill the iPhone? Price? I like the video formats on the BB, but I'd rather watch it on the larger iPhone display.

edit: Not going against you, just raising some points.

The iPhone is a better consumer entertainment device, but the BB Bold is a better corporate phone.

At the end of the day, you can get an ipod touch for 200 bucks and do everything on it that you can on an iphone (except for make a phone call).

RIM makes some of the most elegant and efficient corporate devices on the planet. I'm sure apple makes a great macbook and an even better ipod... but when it comes to PHONES, nobody holds a candle to RIM.

This is all my opinion, of course, but my opinion is shaped by personal-use experience. I've had an iphone, I've had an ipod touch and I've been a blackberry user for a couple years now... and I run a corporate network and I use my phones in a corporate environment.

Knowing what I know... nothing touches a RIM device. Not even close.

[MickMcGeough]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

The iPhone is a better consumer entertainment device, but the BB Bold is a better corporate phone.

At the end of the day, you can get an ipod touch for 200 bucks and do everything on it that you can on an iphone (except for make a phone call).

RIM makes some of the most elegant and efficient corporate devices on the planet. I'm sure apple makes a great macbook and an even better ipod... but when it comes to PHONES, nobody holds a candle to RIM.

This is all my opinion, of course, but my opinion is shaped by personal-use experience. I've had an iphone, I've had an ipod touch and I've been a blackberry user for a couple years now... and I run a corporate network and I use my phones in a corporate environment.

Knowing what I know... nothing touches a RIM device. Not even close.

Well, the iPhone/Touch comparison isn't exactly accurate. Depending on the cost of Rogers' data plan, I'll be selling my Touch and getting an iPhone because of the 3G capability. I can't check my email at lunch on a Touch without a WiFi network that I have access to.

But you didn't answer the question. You state clearly that nothing touches a RIM device but you don't give a single reason why.

[llama64]

Wait, what? We HAVE to have one of the data plans?

Well that certainly makes me reconsider getting one.

[photon]

Originally Posted by kermitology

On another note, can anyone tell me if that new blackberry keyboard is always present or not? It looks like it is, in which case the iPhone would still beat the living tar out of the BB in terms of user interaction.

Yes, it's a physical keyboard that's always there not an on-screen keyboard like the iPhone.

I actually prefer a physical keyboard to the touch screen one, but I don't do enough emails on device to see the touch screen keyboard as a huge detractor.

Originally Posted by FanIn80

At the end of the day, you can get an ipod touch for 200 bucks and do everything on it that you can on an iphone (except for make a phone call).

And do all those things you can do on an iPod touch anywhere without having to be near a wifi point. I hardly ever use the wifi on my touch outside of the office or home because I almost can never find an open network.

[photon]

Originally Posted by llama64

Wait, what? We HAVE to have one of the data plans?

Well that certainly makes me reconsider getting one.

They have to make their money somewhere, it's speculated that the carriers are paying Apple $400 for each phone, so they make back their $$ there.

[FanIn80]

Well, I did say that that a BlackBerry is one of the most elegant and efficient corporate phones on the planet. I also think the way I emphasized the word "PHONES" when comparing to an ipod or a macbook was another clue.

I guess I just assumed that the term "corporate phone" and the descriptors "elegant" and "efficient" were pretty self-explanatory within the context of this discussion.

I don't really have time to write out a bullet-point list, to be honest.

If you're seriously interested in what a RIM device brings to the corporate table, you can check out www.blackberryforums.com and www.pinstack.com. Tons of information there.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by photon

And do all those things you can do on an iPod touch anywhere without having to be near a wifi point. I hardly ever use the wifi on my touch outside of the office or home because I almost can never find an open network.

Well... I think my point is that, if all you want the iphone for is the cool screen and the touch interface (and even the third party apps), you can get a touch for 200 bucks and then get a blackberry for your corporate smart device. Heck, in less than a month, I bet you can get a used touch for 100 bucks with everyone switching over to iphone.

[FanIn80]

I've already mentioned this earlier... Sure, I'll be snagging an iphone myself (and keeping my blackberry for the office)...

...but THIS is the phone that I've been waiting for:



http://blackberrythunder.net

[llama64]

Originally Posted by photon

They have to make their money somewhere, it's speculated that the carriers are paying Apple $400 for each phone, so they make back their $$ there.

Well, that's fine.

But as a consumer I don't like being baited and then being forced into something I don't want. I might just settle for a less intensive phone and buy a iPod Touch instead now...

And certainly not from Roger's. They may need to make money back, but they also need attract more customers.

[photon]

I think they should have offered some scaled plans rather than just the one $30 unlimited one, a $10 / 100MB, $20/500MB or something for those that don't want huge data but still want an iPhone.

But this is Rogers we're talking about, I'm stunned enough that they're offering anything that approaches reasonable.

[photon]

Plus, there'll be a TON of used iPhones hitting the market, so that's an option as well for people that really want an iPhone but don't want the contract or be paying for a data plan.

[FanIn80]

I have to say I'm pretty stoked about the concept of using my iPhone to SSH into my SQL box to run a few queries and pull some numbers... all while sitting at a restaurant enjoying my lunch.

++Geek.

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by photon

Plus, there'll be a TON of used iPhones hitting the market, so that's an option as well for people that really want an iPhone but don't want the contract or be paying for a data plan.

Like mine Anyone Wanna buy it on the 11th?

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

Like mine Anyone Wanna buy it on the 11th?

$100?

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

$100?

Negative

[BBQorMILDEW]

This is the new data prices.. I just got this email less than an hour ago...

DATA PRICES FOR THE NEW GROWING NEED FOR BROWSING AND THE NEW HSPA DEVICES WE HAVE BEEN GETTING AND THE NEW HSPA NETWORK THAT WE HAVE BEEN ROLLING OUT!



Highlights of new Data Pricing
1. Attractive options for all types of users including consumer and business
2. Simplified pricing that works for all devices -- it's "device agnostic"
3. Worry Free Data with exclusive Overage Protection features such as Flex Rate and overage caps
(see below for details)
4. Most reliable Network, Fastest Network, best prices

* The Unlimited E-mail on select domains is only applicable while using a Windows Mobile device

Monthly Service Fee
Data Included
Additional Data
BlackBerry Plans
( BIS Only)
Data Service Plans
Target Customer
EXISTING
$15
Personal Email on BlackBerry
n/a
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E-mail only user on a BlackBerry Device

$15
1.5 to 4 MB
$10 per MB with Overage Protection
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E-mail with very light browsing
All Data Service Plans also have Unlimited E-mail on Select Domains*
N E W
$30
300 MB
$0.50 per additional MB with Overage Protection!

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√
E-mail and mobile browsing on your Smartphone
$60
1 GB
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Heavy Smartphone Usage or Low Laptop Usage
$80
3 GB
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Moderate Laptop Usage
$100
6 GB
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Heavy Laptop Usage
$50 - $100
Rogers Flex Rate Plan
500 MB - 5 GB
$0.03 per MB for any usage over 5 GB
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Heavy Smartphone Usage or Laptop users with fluctuating monthly usage

Eligible Devices
All BlackBerry Devices
All devices except BlackBerry Devices

NEW ! ROGERS FLEX RATE PLAN AVAILABLE ON ALL DEVICES!
Each month, the Rogers Flex Rate plan automatically adjusts the Monthly Service Fee based on actual data usage. A customer will not get billed until they use the plan in their initial month. Each month, the plan resets to Tier 1 ($50).

Monthly Fee
Data Included for E-mail and Internet Use
$50 ê
500 MB ( NEW !)
If usage is greater than 500 MB, $65 will be charged
$65 ê
1 GB
If usage is greater than 1 GB, $75 will be charged
$75 ê
2 GB
If usage is greater than 2 GB, $85 will be charged
$85 ê
3 GB
If usage is greater than 3 GB, $100 will be charged

$100

5 GB
If usage is greater than 5 GB, 3¢ per MB will be charged

Q: How does the Flex Rate plan work?
A: Charlie buys a BlackBerry Curve and subscribes to the BlackBerry Flex Rate Plan. In the first month, Charlie uses 1.2 GB of data therefore falling within Tier 3, making his Monthly Service Fee for the first month $75. In month 2, the Flex Rate Plan resets and Charlie starts at the $50 base MSF level. Charlie only uses 373 MB of data in month 2 so his Monthly Service Fee is only $50. The plan adjusts with Charlie’s usage needs, allowing him to pay the best possible rate each month.

Existing Data Plans

• Existing BlackBerry Internet Service plans ($15 / 1.5MB, $15 / Personal E-mail on BlackBerry, $25 / 4 MB), and BlackBerry Enterprise Server Plans ($40 / 7MB, $60 / 25 MB and $100 / 1GB plans) will remain in market
• Existing $15 / 2MB and $25 / 4 MB Data Service plans will remain in market
• Existing $40 / 8MB, $60 / 30 MB, $80 / 500 MB and $100 / 1GB Data Service Plans will be expired
• The existing Data Access Plan Rate Card will remain unchanged
• Previously named “Windows Mobile” Category will now be referred to as “Data Service Plans”

Important Information:

• All new BlackBerry plans are Business Internet Service ( BIS ) Only
• The new $60, $80 and $100 BlackBerry Internet Service Plans are discountable per BPR structure
• Data Service Plans are not discountable
• The Rogers Flex Rate Plan is designed to be a slight premium to a static bucket to reflect the benefit of the flexing
• Data Pooling is available on all new plans except the Flex Rate Plans
• Overage for all new plans (except the Flex Rate plans) is $0.50 per MB for the first 60 MB and $0.03 per MB thereafter
• For Data Pooling plans, the overage is $0.50 per MB with no Overage Protection
• 1 GB Data Plans or higher or the Rogers Flex Rate Plan should be recommended for High Speed Laptop Access Cards
• Customers on existing data plans will be grandfathered

Promotions

• All new plans are eligible for the “Receive 1, 2 or 3 months of Unlimited E-Mail & Browsing when activating 1, 2 and 3 year term contracts” promotion until further notice
• All new plans will NOT be eligible for the Q2 Voice with Data 10% Off MSF Promotion

Click here to view the Data Pricing Job Aid

[kermitology]

Originally Posted by photon

Yes, it's a physical keyboard that's always there not an on-screen keyboard like the iPhone.

I actually prefer a physical keyboard to the touch screen one, but I don't do enough emails on device to see the touch screen keyboard as a huge detractor.

The difference to me would be in the screen size when the keyboard isn't needed. For my calendar, contacts, music, etc.. the screen is awesome. I guess I just don't get why there needs to be a keyboard at all times. I suppose some wouldn't like the lack of tactile feeling of the touch keyboard, but I don't notice anymore.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by BBQorMILDEW

This is the new data prices.. I just got this email less than an hour ago...

Why BIS only?

What are the BES plans?

More importantly, why does Rogers continuously separate the two? It's just data!

Edit: Even more importantly... seeing this really makes me question the validity of these "$30 unlimited data" iPhone rumours.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

I still fail to see why some are saying t's an iPhone killer. To me, the devices are dissimilar due to the screen size and keyboard alone. How you use these two devices is different.

In what area does this kill the iPhone? Price? I like the video formats on the BB, but I'd rather watch it on the larger iPhone display.

edit: Not going against you, just raising some points.

I know. I meant to say the same. It's not intended to be an iPhone killer.

Blackberry is doing what they do well and so is Apple. It's that simple. To compare the two is ridiculous and to say the hardware is crap is a fallacy considering the individual hardware components were leaked only this morning. The iPhone will penetrate some business where it works. It is hoped that the same halo affect will happen as did when the iPod created a halo in the consumer space.

Calling it a gimmick is complete BS as well. Obviously, it is not understood what Apple is trying to accomplish with the iPhone as a PLATFORM. Pulling the rug out from under MS and Adobe with Sproutcore is a gimmick? For developers, the potential is huge. Cocoa for the web as objective Javascript benefits everyone and all developers.

[Swayze11]

$30 for 300MB on an iPhone isnt the greatest