2011-12 Prospect Stats and Update Thread

[Freeway]

Wotherspoon was having shoulder surgery in July at development camp and was recovering during training camp, so I didn't see much of him. That said, what I saw of him during the WHL playoffs last year was really impressive. He and Joey Leach could quietly develop into really dependable blueliners down the road.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Wotherspoon was having shoulder surgery in July at development camp and was recovering during training camp, so I didn't see much of him. That said, what I saw of him during the WHL playoffs last year was really impressive. He and Joey Leach could quietly develop into really dependable blueliners down the road.

Probably solid 5-6 guys. I think they were taken too high for what they project to be.

I think with picks in the 1st to 3rd round, you need to go for offensive guys, they hold the greatest value.

Once you have offensive guys, you can trade them for as many 3rd - 4th line grinders and 5th and 6th defenseman as you want.

That's how I'd manage my assets.

[GreenLantern]

Granlund seems to be struggling a bit, especially compared to his brother, over seas.

In your opinion, should we ever expect top 6 duty out of him? Or is it too early to tell?

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Granlund seems to be struggling a bit, especially compared to his brother, over seas.

In your opinion, should we ever expect top 6 duty out of him? Or is it too early to tell?

Way too early to tell.

This is his first full season with the big team and there's always a period of adjustment. I wouldn't compare Markus to Mikael since the latter has a much better skillset to begin with and is one of the top prospects currently not playing in the NHL.

[Dorkmaster]

Originally Posted by 868904

Probably solid 5-6 guys. I think they were taken too high for what they project to be.

I think with picks in the 1st to 3rd round, you need to go for offensive guys, they hold the greatest value.

Once you have offensive guys, you can trade them for as many 3rd - 4th line grinders and 5th and 6th defenseman as you want.

That's how I'd manage my assets.

In theory you'd be correct but in practice that is horrible logic. Regehr was a first rounder and turned into a valuable piece for many many years. You don't pass up on a guy like that because you think you can pick an offensive superstar.

On top of that, plenty of players who were thought to have low offensive upside turned into excellent point producers in the NHL. Kesler, Mike Richards, Lucic, Weber, Hamonic (not sure) etc etc. Hell even a guy like Myers showed a ton more offensive capabilities after being drafted. Its not a clear cut as you make it.

[Johnny Rotten]

[QUOTE=Dorkmaster;3362032]In theory you'd be correct but in practice that is horrible logic. Regehr was a first rounder and turned into a valuable piece for many many years. You don't pass up on a guy like that because you think you can pick an offensive superstar.

On top of that, plenty of players who were thought to have low offensive upside turned into excellent point producers in the NHL. Kesler, Mike Richards, Lucic, Weber, Hamonic (not sure) etc etc. Hell even a guy like Myers showed a ton more offensive capabilities after being drafted. Its not a clear cut as you make

Gary Roberts also. I think it's too hard to discover players that'll play in the NHL as is let alone be really picky about what 'type' of player to draft.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Dorkmaster

In theory you'd be correct but in practice that is horrible logic. Regehr was a first rounder and turned into a valuable piece for many many years. You don't pass up on a guy like that because you think you can pick an offensive superstar.

On top of that, plenty of players who were thought to have low offensive upside turned into excellent point producers in the NHL. Kesler, Mike Richards, Lucic, Weber, Hamonic (not sure) etc etc. Hell even a guy like Myers showed a ton more offensive capabilities after being drafted. Its not a clear cut as you make it.

I think most of the guys you listed were considered solid players but had high upside, especially Richards and Kesler. I'll give you Weber, though, I'd be pleasantly surprised if Wotherspoon developed like that.

I just remembered after Wotherspoon was drafted, Todd Button said they projected him to top out as 5 guy, which didn't sound too good for a 2nd round pick. I mean, I think the Predators at least projected Weber as a top 4 when they drafted him the 2nd round.

I'm not too sure where Wotherspoon sits on the depth chart of the Winterhawks right now. Maybe someone who watches them regularly can pipe in. I heard their defense is stacked this year and the one game I watched, Wotherspoon wasn't getting the most icetime of the defenseman.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Heat gave up 3 goals in the 3rd period for a loss at home against OKC.

Goals for Byron (from Nemisz and Wilson) and Kolanos (from Rheault and Walter).

Irving was standing on his head for the first two periods and then... not so much. At least one of the goals was a flub from Irving.

Unfortunately I couldn't be at the game tonight, but heard Conroy and Marc Crawford were there tonight.

Why Crow would be at the game is beyond me, but he was.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Heat gave up 3 goals in the 3rd period for a loss at home against OKC.

Goals for Byron (from Nemisz and Wilson) and Kolanos (from Rheault and Walter).

Irving was standing on his head for the first two periods and then... not so much. At least one of the goals was a flub from Irving.

Unfortunately I couldn't be at the game tonight, but heard Conroy and Marc Crawford were there tonight.

Why Crow would be at the game is beyond me, but he was.

It sucks to lose a game in the last :30 on a penalty. Heat have a chance for revenge right away. I hope they really respond well. They've had trouble at home so far this season

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Heat gave up 3 goals in the 3rd period for a loss at home against OKC.

Goals for Byron (from Nemisz and Wilson) and Kolanos (from Rheault and Walter).

Irving was standing on his head for the first two periods and then... not so much. At least one of the goals was a flub from Irving.

Unfortunately I couldn't be at the game tonight, but heard Conroy and Marc Crawford were there tonight.

Why Crow would be at the game is beyond me, but he was.

I wonder if Crawford is looking for potential Spengler Cup candidates...

[shermanator]

Based on PMM's review, I think Ortio should get the next start. Irving has been good, but I think maybe he needs a night off.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by shermanator

Based on PMM's review, I think Ortio should get the next start. Irving has been good, but I think maybe he needs a night off.

Maybe. But I think Irving has a better chance of pulling out a win against a division rival.

Although, we've never got a chance to see what Ortio can do other than short-term backup situations this season when gets pulled (or into a fight).

It'll be interesting to see what Ward does with the lineup on Saturday.

BTW, last night Bouma and Howse are injured. Meyer, MacMillan, Ivanans, and Breen were healthy scratches.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by 868904

I think most of the guys you listed were considered solid players but had high upside, especially Richards and Kesler. I'll give you Weber, though, I'd be pleasantly surprised if Wotherspoon developed like that.

I just remembered after Wotherspoon was drafted, Todd Button said they projected him to top out as 5 guy, which didn't sound too good for a 2nd round pick. I mean, I think the Predators at least projected Weber as a top 4 when they drafted him the 2nd round.

I'm not too sure where Wotherspoon sits on the depth chart of the Winterhawks right now. Maybe someone who watches them regularly can pipe in. I heard their defense is stacked this year and the one game I watched, Wotherspoon wasn't getting the most icetime of the defenseman.

That's because Wotherspooon is probably their 3rd defenseman right now. Morrow is clear and away their best Dman and was taken in the first round last draft. Rutkowski I probably the #2 and then Wotherspoon in 3rd.

He has no flash to him, but he is also pretty sound o positionally from the games I watched. My guess is that the scouting team thinks he can develop into a defensive style defenseman, which in my opinion makes him a safe pick, which is usually underwhelming but when you a take a much more 'risky' pick in Granlund 10 picks later I can see why they selected him.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Pierre "Monster" McGuire

Maybe. But I think Irving has a better chance of pulling out a win against a division rival.

This. Ortio seems pretty shaky in terms of his first stop abilities at the moment. Getting him more use to the AHL in practice should help him out a bit.

Originally Posted by DropIt

That's because Wotherspooon is probably their 3rd defenseman right now. Morrow is clear and away their best Dman and was taken in the first round last draft. Rutkowski I probably the #2 and then Wotherspoon in 3rd.

Rutkowski floats around a bit. He's wildly inconsistant and will be anything from their #2 to #4.

Originally Posted by DropIt

He has no flash to him, but he is also pretty sound o positionally from the games I watched. My guess is that the scouting team thinks he can develop into a defensive style defenseman, which in my opinion makes him a safe pick, which is usually underwhelming but when you a take a much more 'risky' pick in Granlund 10 picks later I can see why they selected him.

I think this is the case. Wortherspoon's potential is a bit debatable. He'll probably be a #5-#7 type of guy, depending on how his skating ability turns out. The problem is, he's really, really slow and doesn't make up for it with his physicality. To a large degree, he reminds me of Adam Pardy, just not at a late round pick.

[Johnny Rotten]

http://www.uscho.com/box/mens-hockey...oston-college/

Bill Arnold: one goal, one assist

John Gaudreau: one assist

Ferland: one goal three assists tonight. I'd like to know from someone "in the know" how good of a player this guy can be. I remember Boomer saying positive things about him when he was drafted.

[thymebalm]

I'm becoming convinced that we can build a team with guys like Baertschi, Ferland, Reinhart, Nemisz, Backlund, Brodie, and Arnold. We could really use another stud blueliner.

Turner Elson with 3pts tonight to move to (edit) 12pts in 14 games

[Beerfest]

Elson had two goals and one assist in an 8-2 win.
Ferland had one goal and three assists in a 5-2 win.
Wotherspoon had a goal in a 6-5 win.
Bartschi had one assist and the winning (only) goal in the shooutout in a 6-5 win.

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten

http://www.uscho.com/box/mens-hockey...oston-college/

Bill Arnold: one goal, one assist

John Gaudreau: one assist

Ferland: one goal three assists tonight. I'd like to know from someone "in the know" how good of a player this guy can be. I remember Boomer saying positive things about him when he was drafted.

Ferland's very good, but he's also on a team full of really good guys. But he's probably slightly less good than his numbers indicate. Looked very good at development camp.

[Johnny Rotten]

Originally Posted by Freeway

Ferland's very good, but he's also on a team full of really good guys. But he's probably slightly less good than his numbers indicate. Looked very good at development camp.

i wondered if his stats are a little inflated playing with Stone. For a fifth round pick, he seems like a good choice.

On the WHL website they have him listed at 6'2" and 208 lbs., but on the Flames website they have him at 6' and 195 lbs. Has he shrunk or has he grown?

[kirant]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I'm becoming convinced that we can build a team with guys like Baertschi, Ferland, Reinhart, Nemisz, Backlund, Brodie, and Arnold. We could really use another stud blueliner.

I'm a big fan of Slater Koekkoek. Feaster should take him if he's available when the Flames make their 1st round selection.