Israel declares war on Hamas

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Fascinating insight into the simpleminded.

Could you posit an opinion about the topic in hand, rather than about somebody else's opinion? Or elaborate, how your post contributed to, well, anything...

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Fascinating insight into the simpleminded.

You could try to pick apart his 5 responses, instead as usual...nothing but drivel.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Wormius

People believe this?

Gazans were cheering on the streets on the "stunning success" of October 7th attack. Nobody was out there protesting it, like some Russians were protesting Ukraine war.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Elimination of Israel as a core tenet of Hamas is arguable. The killing of all Jews within the territory is most definitely not.

Even if we are to accept those two items to be core tenets of hamas, is it OK to punish a civilian population for being ruled by a government you don't like? That's kind of the Bin Laden argument. Because of America's transgressions against Muslims, all Americans must pay the price. That's the way a terrorist thinks and behaves.

That's a framing many pro-palestine people use. They make Israel actions look like a form of "punishment". They say October 7th was a horrible event, but it is in the past, and Israel needs to let it go. This framing trick is achieved by leaving hostages out of picture, like they don't even exist. However, Gazan government still holds hostages, which is a war crime by the way. The last time they committed a horrible act wasn't in October, it is today. While you read this, hundreds of hostages are still in captivity. Let them go if you want Israel to let October 7th go.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Elaborate, what exactly do you call "stealing"? Who in your opinion is the owner of the land? Is it Palestinian state? Or is it a person on a ground? Does Palestine have private land or all land belongs to the state? Are Israeli citizens allowed to buy land in other countries? How do you think the "settling" is happening, in details?

Wait, aren't you the one who ran away from Ukraine when Russia invaded? You of all people should be able to answer that question..unless you agree with Russia invading Ukraine and if they can steal it fair and square then you agree Russia owns the land?

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Pointman

That's a framing many pro-palestine people use. They make Israel actions look like a form of "punishment". They say October 7th was a horrible event, but it is in the past, and Israel needs to let it go. This framing trick is achieved by leaving hostages out of picture, like they don't even exist. However, Gazan government still holds hostages, which is a war crime by the way. The last time they committed a horrible act wasn't in October, it is today. While you read this, hundreds of hostages are still in captivity. Let them go if you want Israel to let October 7th go.

Tell us about the Palestinian hostages in Israeli jails.

You know the ones CNN did.a story on..the ones being tortured. Do you care about those hostages?

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Gazans were cheering on the streets on the "stunning success" of October 7th attack. Nobody was out there protesting it, like some Russians were protesting Ukraine war.

And Israelis in the West Bank are still murdering innocent Palestinians.

What's worse, cheering on murder or still murdering? About 100 children in the West Bank have been killed by Israelis since Oct 7. Do you care about that?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Could you posit an opinion about the topic in hand, rather than about somebody else's opinion? Or elaborate, how your post contributed to, well, anything...

Sorry, was responding to Snuff’s frat boy “beat down” comment because you made five whole posts in a row. I just thought it was funny.

I’m assuming, since you didn’t respond to him to ask him to posit an opinion about the topic rather than about somebody else’s opinion, or suggest his post didn’t contribute to anything, that you don’t actually care about that, so let me try a different response you’ll like better.

“Wow! 5 whole posts! You really got ‘em sir! And even ‘release the hostages’? Wowee! You killed ‘em with that one!”

Better? or worse? Or did you want me to actually take your hostage stuff seriously as though you’re not just using the same biased “framing” you suggest pro-palestinian people are using?

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

You could try to pick apart his 5 responses, instead as usual...nothing but drivel.

Ah, I see, you think I was talking about him. I was talking about you, and I picked your post apart as much as it deserved.

But sorry for interrupting. Please go back to licking the boots of anyone who… uhhhh…. posts a few times in a row and says “release the hostages.” Totally a normal thing to do.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Yet ultimate goal of Gaza's government is to destroy what they call "a Zionist project", that is Israel. How about discussing that instead of your gut feelings that Israel is going to occupy Gaza?

Because western government's aren't supporting Hamas's goal, while they do mostly sit by while Israel continues to take actions that end up with innocent people dying, having their homes taken, and generally working against international law and sabotaging any chance at peace, to achieve these goals you claim don't exist.

[Fuzz]

The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court said Monday he is seeking arrest warrants for Israeli and Hamas leaders, including Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in connection with their actions during the seven-month war.


Karim Khan said that he believes Netanyahu, his Defence Minister Yoav Gallant and three Hamas leaders — Yehya Sinwar, Mohammed Deif and Ismail Haniyeh — are responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity in the Gaza Strip and Israel.


Speaking of the Israeli actions, Khan said in a statement that "the effects of the use of starvation as a method of warfare, together with other attacks and collective punishment against the civilian population of Gaza are acute, visible and widely known.... They include malnutrition, dehydration, profound suffering and an increasing number of deaths among the Palestinian population, including babies, other children and women."

It will be up to the court's pre-trial judges to determine whether there is sufficient evidence to issue warrants.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/icc-ar...209247?cmp=rss

[Zary's-Mustache]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/n...icc-rcna149743


About time.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Elaborate, what exactly do you call "stealing"? Who in your opinion is the owner of the land? Is it Palestinian state? Or is it a person on a ground? Does Palestine have private land or all land belongs to the state? Are Israeli citizens allowed to buy land in other countries? How do you think the "settling" is happening, in details?

This is an odd take. Who in your opinion do the occupied territories belong to? If you think it's just "Judea and Samaria" that constitutes "Eretz Yisrael", then there's your answer right there. I mean, the entire world agrees that your opinion is wrong if that's the case, but who are we to tell you that.

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Just when I was starting to worry about Pointman again he comes back after 4 months with a beat down.

Hardly a beatdown. It's just rehashing arguments that have been thoroughly beat down over the last 7 months. Try to keep up.

Originally Posted by Pointman

That's a framing many pro-palestine people use. They make Israel actions look like a form of "punishment". They say October 7th was a horrible event, but it is in the past, and Israel needs to let it go. This framing trick is achieved by leaving hostages out of picture, like they don't even exist. However, Gazan government still holds hostages, which is a war crime by the way. The last time they committed a horrible act wasn't in October, it is today. While you read this, hundreds of hostages are still in captivity. Let them go if you want Israel to let October 7th go.

Yet, Hamas has, on numerous occasions, offered to give back the hostages in exchange for ceasing of hostilities. Israel has refused each time, including the deal from 2 weeks ago, which the US even assumed was a done deal.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/n...icc-rcna149743


About time.

This is a good first step. Unfortunately, this process will probably take about 2 months before any warrants are issued. I would hope that any final settlement between the two parties includes handing over the suspects on each side to the ICC.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by Pointman

You realize, Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005? They didn't need to contrive a nefarious plan to settle Gaza. They already settled Gaza in the past, and left.

Can we stop with this please?

When you're controlling the airspace and coasts of another country/people, it's practically the same thing. You've just settled remotely instead of in-person... the Zoom call of settlements.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/n...icc-rcna149743


About time.

I am fascinated to see how this plays out and when Israel, on advice from the Americans, executes their own Hague Act, invading the capital city or dispatching Mossad to have key UN leaders mysteriously die of suicide or accident. Gonna be a spicy response from the west! You can only arrest and charge the other guys!!1!

[Bagor]

Time for our regular reminder on the warped mind of
Pointman is and what he believes.

This is the extremist that advocates for the slaughter of innocents including children, infants and newborns. The killing of health care workers. The destruction of hospitals.

Originally Posted by Pointman

However, this is an eye opener for those, who believe that civilians are one thing and Hamas is another thing altogether. They are all one, they are united by one goal and one hate. Who is cooking food for Hamas fighters? Who is treating their wounds? Who is teaching their kids to hate Jews?

All the doctors. Nurses. Kill them all.
For tending to the wounds of all the injured children and civilians Hamas. Paramedics Hamas fighters trying to rescue a six year old girl wounded Hamas soldier. Lure them in and execute them all.

After all.....

Originally Posted by Pointman

They are all one, they are united by one goal and one hate.

Originally Posted by Pointman

The whole Gaza population is rotten to bones. It's not a healthy population with Hamas being few bad apples that you can surgically remove.

Kill them all. The musing of a bloodlust.

[Zary's-Mustache]

Wow another disgusting post I didn't see until now. Pointman ran from Ukraine to Israel because someone invaded and wants to steal land...oh the irony.

[_Q_]

As Israel pushes ahead with its genocide, Saudi Arabia and the US are pushing ahead with a historic bilateral nuclear and security agreement.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-saud...security-deal/

A U.S. official confirmed that a lot of progress was made Saturday in a meeting between National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan and Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, a city in the kingdom's far east that's home to its state-run oil giant, the Saudi Arabian Oil Co. known as Saudi Aramco.

The first component of the deal includes a series of agreements between the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, including defense guarantees and civil nuclear cooperation. The Biden administration would solidify its ties to Saudi Arabia at a time when adversary China is attempting to expand its influence in the Middle East.

This was supposed to be the 3 way deal between Israel, Saudi and the US that would have normalized relations between Saudi Arabia and Israel. Now that Netanyahu and his gang of lunatics have shown the world their true colors, it looks like the world will just slowly move on from Israel.

[PepsiFree]

Just when I was starting to worry about Pointman’s nonsense going unchecked everyone comes in after 24 hours with a beat down.

*waits for high fives*

[Zary's-Mustache]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Just when I was starting to worry about Pointman’s nonsense going unchecked everyone comes in after 24 hours with a beat down.

*waits for high fives*

Now we only have to wait 2 months for our own beat down.