[Rumour] Stars are frontrunners for Tanev

[1_Flames_Fan]

Being able to get a top pairing D that you can play together on either the 1st or 2nd pair or split up if need be at the trade deadline when you are a contending team and are primed for a long playoff run is unheard of. The cost for that is/should be alot and rightfully so. Dallas has the draft capital and prospects to make it happen. That trade takes them from contenders into cup favorites territory. Who on the Flames players, prospects, picks wouldn't we trade for a cup? I can't think of anyone.

[CFO]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I'm really interested in this idea of sending Dallas our second pair with retention because they have all the stuff we want; deep prospect pool and picks.

Seems like a good time for Dallas to put all its chips in.

Somewhat same dance partner that brought the Flames Iginla.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Bourque would be great. I think it might be more Lundkvist + 2nd.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1_Flames_Fan

Being able to get a top pairing D that you can play together on either the 1st or 2nd pair or split up if need be at the trade deadline when you are a contending team and are primed for a long playoff run is unheard of. The cost for that is/should be alot and rightfully so. Dallas has the draft capital and prospects to make it happen. That trade takes them from contenders into cup favorites territory. Who on the Flames players, prospects, picks wouldn't we trade for a cup? I can't think of anyone.

The issue is more likely that even as a cup contender/favourite, they likely only gives them about a 12% chance of winning the cup.

Yeah, you'd trade anything for a Cup, but usually it's just a rental that turns to stone.

And I don't think they have a cap space going forward to sign them, much less this year, although Seguin's injury will help this year if he's out to the end of the season.

And trading a guy like Bourque just means they don't have a cheap replacement next year to help the cap situation. Which explains why very good NHL propsects are seldom traded for rentals.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The issue is more likely that even as a cup contender/favourite, they likely only gives them about a 12% chance of winning the cup.

Yeah, you'd trade anything for a Cup, but usually it's just a rental that turns to stone.

And I don't think they have a cap space going forward to sign them, much less this year, although Seguin's injury will help this year if he's out to the end of the season.

And trading a guy like Bourque just means they don't have a cheap replacement next year to help the cap situation. Which explains why very good NHL propsects are seldom traded for rentals.

Why do you think it’s Cup or bust for these teams?

Winning a playoff round or two creates thousands of lifelong fans. A trip to the conference finals or finals? Teams dine out on that for a decade.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Why do you think it’s Cup or bust for these teams?

Winning a playoff round or two creates thousands of lifelong fans. A trip to the conference finals or finals? Teams dine out on that for a decade.

Exactly. Owners aren't 'cup or bust', they are looking to generate interest and excitement. Get the fans excited about the playoffs, then hope you can at least get to the 3rd round.

That is how you build the fanbase.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Exactly. Owners aren't 'cup or bust', they are looking to generate interest and excitement. Get the fans excited about the playoffs, then hope you can at least get to the 3rd round.

That is how you build the fanbase.

Agreed, but Dallas is built for a number of years. Trading blue chip prospects will decrease their changes for a number of years when they are already cap strapped.

Teams tend to go "all in" when they are the end of their contention window.

I can see Dallas trading draft picks, but not blue chip prospects.

[dammage79]

Is Bourque a Blue Chip prospect though? He's tracking similarly to Wright or Raty or Lambert. I guess maybe? They're borderline to me. Stankoven is blue-chip for sure.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Agreed, but Dallas is built for a number of years. Trading blue chip prospects will decrease their changes for a number of years when they are already cap strapped.

Teams tend to go "all in" when they are the end of their contention window.

I can see Dallas trading draft picks, but not blue chip prospects.

Their discipline has given them an abundance of resources.

A temporary break from that discipline, to deal from extreme depth and gain rental guys that can help you win this year seems like a good risk to take.

Long term it's hardly a blip for them.

The cap situation and regaining picks is solved at the same time when they are ready to cycle out some vets in a year or two. Not to mention the creative ways salary could be packaged into a deal.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Agreed, but Dallas is built for a number of years. Trading blue chip prospects will decrease their changes for a number of years when they are already cap strapped.

Teams tend to go "all in" when they are the end of their contention window.

I can see Dallas trading draft picks, but not blue chip prospects.

Yeah, TB and VGK are all in. But teams like the Stars, Avs, and Hurricanes are still looking at a 4-5 season window, and will need good, young, cost-controlled players stepping into their rosters over that period to help with the cap crunch.

[Enoch Root]

Bourque isn't for sure.

As for Stankoven, take him out of their organization... does it change anything with respect to who they are as a team? No it doesn't.

Fans love prospects. Owners and GMs will take good roster players and a well rounded cup contender every single time

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Yeah, TB and VGK are all in. But teams like the Stars, Avs, and Hurricanes are still looking at a 4-5 season window, and will need good young, cost-controlled players stepping into their rosters over that period to help with the cap crunch.

I think that is accurate, but highlights the issue that the "all in teams" already spent their capital. There isn't all that much left to trade, whereas the 4-5 year teams have plenty to offer. At some point, they will need to decide to go all in, or risk being really good, but not good enough to win it all. That is where I see the Stars and Hurricanes right now. Excellent teams, but I do wonder if they need to take a risk and push at least some of their chips in.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

I like Stankoven, but it seems like he is really being overrated. I don't think there is any guarantee he will be a star to the point he is untouchable. It wouldn't be one-for-one with Tanev, but I think for Hanifin it would be debateable. Bourque/Stankoven are close to each other, as far as prospects go in my opinion.

[dammage79]

Saw on Twitter that Dreger was on Overdrive and said the Stars have made a serious push for Tanev. This was today and after yesterday's LeBrun report.

This could go down sooner than later.

[SuperMatt18]

Would align with what SEC214 said as well that they made a push for Tanev yesterday.

Would love to know what that means...

EdiT: Sec said an offer for Hanifin, ignore me.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Would align with what SEC214 said as well that they made a push for Tanev yesterday.

Would love to know what that means...

Wasn't Sec referring to Hanifin? Or did I miss an update?

[AC]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Wasn't Sec referring to Hanifin? Or did I miss an update?

Yep, it was Hanifin:

Originally Posted by Sec214

Trying to get some more info, however a team has tabled the first significant offer for Hanifin. I’m not sure which it is tho… working on it.

S3C

The Tanev news is from LeBrun and Dreger now apparently.

[Kiran403]

Jim Nill doesn't like to trade 1st round picks. He's only traded a first round pick one time in his 10 years as Stars GM. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think we see a first rounder in any trade with Dallas.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Kiran403

Jim Nill doesn't like to trade 1st round picks. He's only traded a first round pick one time in his 10 years as Stars GM. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think we see a first rounder in any trade with Dallas.

So he’s due.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Is Bourque a Blue Chip prospect though? He's tracking similarly to Wright or Raty or Lambert. I guess maybe? They're borderline to me. Stankoven is blue-chip for sure.

I don't think he is a sure thing, but I don't think you get a sure thing prospect for a Tanev rental. You get a late 1st rounder (not a sure thing), or a later pick and B level prospect like Bourque. Maybe a late 1st and a B prospect if you are lucky.

Bourque could still pan out, but no guarantee (nearing the end of his D+3 year, and no NHL games isn't inspiring for a former 1st rounder).