The Canucks made the trade quick before the trade deadline in case Conroy checked around on what the market value of Kuzmenko.
I think it's fine. Alvin the Chipmunk didn't pull one over on Conroy. Kuzmenko is a next deadline project, after the Flames slowly and steadily improve his stock again.
Brewski and the 1st are the most important aspect of the trade looking forward.
The Canucks made the trade quick before the trade deadline in case Conroy checked around on what the market value of Kuzmenko.
Conroy said that he already spoke to other teams about Lindholm and had offers from them, so he was well aware of Lindholm's market value. He said the Canucks offer was the best one, though that there were other good offers as well from other teams.
That Kuzmenko has negative value. It's a bad take.
LOL, ok then haha. Any mental gymnastics there is ridiculous. Worst case scenario for the Flames, they got their desired returns of futures, and accepted Kuzmenko instead of retention to make the trade happen, which has 0 negative impact on the Flames.
Best case scenario, he becomes an incremental asset generator if we move him (this or next year) or he becomes a player that positively impacts our roster.
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It was a good risk to take considering the haul they received. There's a chance this could be the guy that gets hubby going, A guy who has the skills but just needed a fresh start. This is one of those players that that we talked about with Florida , how they acquired low risk high reward players.
This could be our home run, and Conroy still has the bases loaded.
From the Calgary side, I don't think that you can judge the deal until next years trade deadline because I think the Flames will move Kuzmenko next year at the latest.
Kuzmenko's has one year left on his deal, will he want to resign with a retooling or rebuilding team or is Kuzmenko the type of player a retooling or rebuilding team wants around to help mentor its young players?
For me, this is another one of those deals that feels like it was a homerun because of the number of assets involved, but when you work thru each one you realize that much of the haul has little value.
As a Canuck fan, the player I was disappointed to see go is Brzustewicz but the risk with him is that he turns out to be another Jack Rathbone who the Canucks were high on at one point but who didn't turn out.
Not to mention that with Willander and Quinn Hughes, the Canucks could afford to move Brzustewicz.
Knowing that he had one of the most coveted players in this years trade deadline, should Conroy have held out for a return with fewer pieces, but of higher value?
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I would argue the control group is ALL teams. And it's an easier calculation:
1) What percentage of teams have a right-shooting C?
2) What percentage of cup winners do? (76%)
3) Is there a statistical difference?
I don't really understand how the control group can be all teams when the hypothesis is that Cup winning teams have identified having an RH C as a desirable thing, and ostensibly bad teams do not know this.
If we assume that the distribution of handedness is uniform across all positions, there is a 14.7% chance to randomly have 4 centers who are all LH, so 85.3% of teams would have at least one RH C.
From the Calgary side, I don't think that you can judge the deal until next years trade deadline because I think the Flames will move Kuzmenko next year at the latest.
Kuzmenko's has one year left on his deal, will he want to resign with a retooling or rebuilding team or is Kuzmenko the type of player a retooling or rebuilding team wants around to help mentor its young players?
For me, this is another one of those deals that feels like it was a homerun because of the number of assets involved, but when you work thru each one you realize that much of the haul has little value.
As a Canuck fan, the player I was disappointed to see go is Brzustewicz but the risk with him is that he turns out to be another Jack Rathbone who the Canucks were high on at one point but who didn't turn out.
Not to mention that with Willander and Quinn Hughes, the Canucks could afford to move Brzustewicz.
Knowing that he had one of the most coveted players in this years trade deadline, should Conroy have held out for a return with fewer pieces, but of higher value?
Knowing that he had one of the most coveted players in this years trade deadline, should Conroy have held out for a return with fewer pieces, but of higher value?
Lol. No. He made a killing.
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For me, this is another one of those deals that feels like it was a homerun because of the number of assets involved, but when you work thru each one you realize that much of the haul has little value.
Knowing that he had one of the most coveted players in this years trade deadline, should Conroy have held out for a return with fewer pieces, but of higher value?
Blue chip prospects don't get traded for rentals. Especially a rental in a tail spin. People are happy with the return because a lot were expecting a 1st + a B prospect for a retained Lindholm. It is recency bias but Brzustewicz looks clsoer to an A prospect than a B prospect.
Depending on your view of Brzustewicz vs Raty it is either the same as the Horvat trade or a little worse because of where the 1st round pick is likely to fall. This reads to a me as a Canuck fan downplaying what they paid for a rental.
I don't really understand how the control group can be all teams when the hypothesis is that Cup winning teams have identified having an RH C as a desirable thing, and ostensibly bad teams do not know this.
If we assume that the distribution of handedness is uniform across all positions, there is a 14.7% chance to randomly have 4 centers who are all LH, so 85.3% of teams would have at least one RH C.
The control group is the null hypothesis, not the opposite.
The control group is all teams. If cup-winning teams have more R-shooting Cs than the population at large, then there is a case to be made that R-shooting Cs are helpful
Also, I don't think we can assume that it is evenly distributed among positions because, with fewer righties, they tend to end up as RW and R-Ds
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And it is a rental, in fact if the Canucks sign Lindholm that would make things worse for them...this isn't a homer he just got traded take. I bet you 90% of this board didn't want to sign Lindholm to a long term deal.
Depending on your view of Brzustewicz vs Raty it is either the same as the Horvat trade or a little worse because of where the 1st round pick is likely to fall. This reads to a me as a Canuck fan downplaying what they paid for a rental.
It was, infact, the Horvat with a division tax of a long shot prospect and a later round pick. The Canucks got a better pick and a prospect higher up on the trading team's prospect rankings but that is more to do with the fact NYI had a dearth of prospects. Also because Horvat was playing out of his mind.
It was the deal the Canucks were comfortable making and a deal the Flames needed.
It was, infact, the Horvat with a division tax of a long shot prospect and a later round pick. The Canucks got a better pick and a prospect higher up on the trading team's prospect rankings but that is more to do with the fact NYI had a dearth of prospects. Also because Horvat was playing out of his mind.
It was the deal the Canucks were comfortable making and a deal the Flames needed.
OMG, stop being so reasonable. The WUUUUUURST!
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Haven't noticed it mentioned, but I bet Conroy uses at least one of those retention spots to be a broker for a trade between two other teams. Takes on a player, retains and moves them along to make a trade work for another team tight against the cap and gets a few picks for doing so.
Don't listen to me tho, I thought he'd hang on to Lindholm until after the All Star break so all the GM's could get a look at him with their star...
