Well there was a thread bumped about him that was from Jan 06 and caused some confusion. I was posting a message that took me awhile and suddenly It wasn't working. Luckily I copied it before I lost it and went to bed crying
So I'll see if it's worth posting and discussing, If it's a boring topic sorry JiriHrdina
What a strange character this Friesen is
94/95 48 games 15 goals .31 GPG
96/96 79 games 15 goals .18 GPG
96/97 82 games 28 goals .34 GPG
97/98 79 games 31 goals .39 GPG
98/99 78 games 22 goals .28 GPG
99/00 82 games 26 goals .31 GPG
00/01 79 games 14 goals .17 GPG
01/02 81 games 17 goals .20 GPG
02/03 81 games 23 goals .28 GPG
03/04 81 games 17 goals .20 GPG
04/05 LOCKOUT
05/06 51 games 4 goals .07 GPG (Injury season)
06/07 24 games 0 goals .00 GPG (What's wrong with this guy?)
Season stats 845 Games 212 Goals Career average of .25 GPG, he should have 6 goals by now.
He's fast and strong, which makes it seem more likely that he should be effective in the so called "New NHL"
I really don't get what's up with him?
His numbers improved quickly and he's just kind of on the down turn the last few years. Did the lock-out followed by an injury plagued season ruin this 29/30 year olds career?
The lack of production from the third and fourth lines is an issue that needs to be addressed before the playoffs. Really surprised at how little of a factor Friesen has been offensively this season. I can't even really think of many good scoring chances he's been involved in.
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The lack of production from the third and fourth lines is an issue that needs to be addressed before the playoffs. Really surprised at how little of a factor Friesen has been offensively this season. I can't even really think of many good scoring chances he's been involved in.
Is this because of the line he's on?
I think maybe he's... Not what we need on the top two lines, those lines are looking pretty set. So he hangs out on the 3rd and 4th just toiling away.
There are times, many of them where I look up and think to myself.. "Oh yeah, Jeff Friesen is a Flame..." That's just sad that you forget a guy is actually on your team.
There are times, many of them where I look up and think to myself.. "Oh yeah, Jeff Friesen is a Flame..." That's just sad that you forget a guy is actually on your team.
Geez, I've forgotten at times too..
Maybe he should have taken that empty net goal Iginla offered him
[quote=calgARI;682072]The lack of production from the third and fourth lines is an issue that needs to be addressed before the playoffs.
What a change from last season, though. Last season we couldn't buy a goal from the first line let alone the other three. Now some of us are complaining about the bottom six output. This team will be fine.
There are times, many of them where I look up and think to myself.. "Oh yeah, Jeff Friesen is a Flame..." That's just sad that you forget a guy is actually on your team.
Two years ago I would have jumped for joy at the thought of Jeff Friesen playing for the Flames. A 30-goal scorer.
Now, I'm like you; I forget he's on the team.
I think if you were to look up the word toil(v.) in the dictionary, you'd see a picture of Jeff Friesen in a Flames jersey.
I think maybe he's... Not what we need on the top two lines, those lines are looking pretty set. So he hangs out on the 3rd and 4th just toiling away.
I don't think it is because of the line he plays on. If he's on the ice with Ritchie he still doesn't get chances. Not saying that Ritchie is a scoring machine but Bryon creates himself some chances. Lundmark gets chances, Amonte gets chances, everybody gets their chances. I just don't think Friesen is doing what it takes to put himself in place to get a chance to score. Before he was hurt I remember a game or two where he played well, had a few chances and showed us his speed. Since he came back I don't see the same speed and I really don't remember him having any scoring chances. His confidence has to be very low right now.
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From what I've seen of Friesen, Buff is absolutely correct. Friesen isn't putting himself in position to score. He kind of peels away from offensive chances expecting the puck to turn over and is thinking defense whilst the Flames still have the puck.
31 shots in 25 games seems to support this as well. It's not just that he's not making good on his chances, he's not getting many chances to begin with. No Flames with less shots than Friesen has more than 2 goals.
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Glencross :*28 G, 45 A, 73 P, +25 (141 GP)
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Not a boring topic in the least. The orginal thread being bumped was just confusing.
I can't figure out what happens to guys like Friesen. Where did the inability to finish go? He's not past his prime, he can stll skate. One assumes all the tools are still there. So WDF happened? He went from a consistent 25-30 goal man in San Jose, to a more well rounded player who didn't score as much in NJ but had a knack for big goals, to now a guy who seems to have totally lost any finishing ability completely.
And yet he's not past his prime in the least.
A noodle scratcher to say the least.
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Kind of like the Flames shootout woes. I'm sure pretty much every player in the NHL can do the little 'fake-the-forehand shot, go to backhand and roof it' move (the one that Miko Koivu used on us), but most nobody on the Flames ever even attempts it, except maybe Huselius. It's not that they can't, they just don't.
Sounds simple, but Friesen just needs to play more aggressively and start trying to score. At the moment he seems content just to follow the play into the offensive zone and hang back until the Flames lose the puck, then backcheck until he can go for a change.
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Glencross :*28 G, 45 A, 73 P, +25 (141 GP)
Brodziak*:**20 G, 39 A, 59 P,**+1 (161 GP)
It's crazy, but, Friesen is a shadow of his former self. I can't make heads or tails of it. It looks like he's not even a player who could put a puck in the net if his life depended on it.
Truly sad for a guy who was one of the young up-and-comers in the 90s.
As another poster mentioned about the lack of production from the 3rd and 4th lines. I agree with this completely, the Flames have to find a way to score at least the odd goal here and there on the depth lines.
Guys like McCarty, Friesen, Lundmark, and Prust (although he has not been around a long time) have goose eggs in the scoring deptartment. There will be games where the top lines will struggle this is when its nice to get an odd goal here and there from the depth lines.
So far all of the third/fourth liners except Amonte have a failing grade in my books.
Shean Donovan and his 6-8 goals per year doesn't seem so bad now.
I think expecting a total of 50-60 goals from your bottom six forwards (or combination of players in those roles, depending on injuries and call-ups) is not unrealistic.
Yet, according to http://www.calgarypuck.com/Player_stats.htm, these players are projected to finish with 34 goals. Now, these stats can change in a hurry with a game or two of contributions, but it's still disappointing to see the lack of contribution to date.
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I wonder if this is going to be a situation, like our PP that just plods along with out being addressed. I don't know. I don't like to knee jerk but the bottom 6 need to contribute on the scoresheet, period.
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Picking Sutter in the 6th round is bad optics.
Bingo's response, "If you get an NHL player that good in the 6th round, I don't care if he's related to Adolph Hilter". Gold!
It may have to do with ice time, it may have to do with his linemates, and yes it may be mental. He spent some time with Iginla, and still didn't produce. However during most of that time the team itself was struggleing and nobody was really putting points up. I think that Friesen needs a legit third line centerman to score with, someone who can set up some plays and has some offensive awareness. I'd like to see Lundmark up there, at a home game, coming off a win with some confidence. I know that sounds stupid, ideal conditions, but you have to make sparks to get a fire, and you don't start a fire in the rain.
So Ritchie and Yelle are illegitimate third line centers? Perhaps Friesen is simply an illegitimate 3rd line winger?
Lundmark is in the wrong place at the wrong time with this current Flames club. He probably should be playing more, but it doesn't warrant playing someone else on the club less.
So Ritchie and Yelle are illegitimate third line centers? Perhaps Friesen is simply an illegitimate 3rd line winger?
Lundmark is in the wrong place at the wrong time with this current Flames club. He probably should be playing more, but it doesn't warrant playing someone else on the club less.
I would argue until Fiesen can start to produce he is not even a third line winger. How many Third line wingers in the NHL have zero goals? I bet there is very few.
I actually thought Freisen had a couple of decent outings early in the season, but since then, as others have said, I completely forget he is on the team. He's pretty useless.
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