WE could have Maul and Kenobi watching Luke and his uncle talking
Uncle - "Now Luke you have a lot of work to do today and they'll be hell to pay if it isn't finished"
Luke - "But Uncle Owen I was going to Toche Station to get some power converters"
Uncle - "Look Potato head I know that Toche Station is a strip club and you ain't going. You sure didn't inherit your fathers drive and work ethic . . . "
Luke - "What's that now?"
Uncle - "Nothing shut your mouth and get to work you"
Luke strides up a dune to watch the twin suns set while kicking sand like a petulant 8 year old
Maul - "So he's the new hope, the guy that's going to defeat the Sith and defeat the Empire"
Kenobi - "Yup"
Maul - "I'm out"
Maul walks away and tosses his lightsabre at a Jawa.
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Ok, I just finished watching the episode thoughts in spoilers
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After a lot of build up for the Obi-Wan vs Maul duel I think some fans are going to come away wanting or even really angry.
It wasn't a terrific episode but it was important in terms of bringing an end to a story that goes all the way back to the Phantom Menace.
Of course it starts with Ezra getting a message basically from the holocron that leads him to deciding that Master Kenobi was in danger from Darth Maul. This was after the start of the episode where we saw Maul on Tatooine in what seemed like a case of revenge based madness and he decided to find a way to draw Obi-Wan out, so what was happening was fairly clear.
After Ezra goes to his friends and tells them that they need to basically help Kenobi because of how much he could bring to the rebellion, he was reminded about how much he is needed there. This almost goes back to the Empire strikes back where Yoda chides Luke about his head always looking for adventure instead of focusing on where he needs to be. Its clear that everyone believes that Ezra is needed to plan of the liberation of Lothal.
Anyways, Ezra steals a Awing and Chopper stows away and they head to Tatooine where Ezra uses the holocrons like a compass.
There were a couple of neat scenes as Ezra crossed the desert after surviving an ambush by the sandpeople that Maul saved him from.
Anyways, it was kind of cool as Ezra crossed the desert and kept hearing Maul's voice forcing him on. It reminded me of the story of Christ crossing the desert and the Devil continually trying to tempt him. It was a neat bit of story telling.
The other thing that I loved was Chopper in this episode. Last week I said that it was weird that I was starting to understand him, but I think they've purposely made him easy to understand. And I really loved his reaction when Ezra told him to keep to the ridge while he crossed the desert. It made Chopper seem a lot more loyal to Ezra. I've often said that while R2D2 is like the family dog, Chopper has always been like the aloof I don't care type of family cat. But he became the unwilling dog when he decided to stick with Ezra.
As they crossed the desert and got caught in a sandstorm, Chopper eventually fails in a nice moment Ezra you see a real sense of loss in Ezra. He also realizes that he's made a terrible mistake in coming here and the costs are too high. Then he loses consciousness only to wake up in Kenobi's camp.
Now as a break, I have to say that I wasn't crazy about the portrayal of Obi-Wan's voice as acted by Stepen Stanton (Who also did a exceptional job as Tarkin and AP-5. Throughout the Clone Wars series, and Rebel's he's been the every man of voice actors, but he just didn't sound much like Obi-Wan, maybe because my more recent memories are of the Clone Wars Obi-Wan played by James Tayler.
Anyways around the fire, Obi-Wan basically tells Ezra that he shouldn't be here, and that what seperates him from someone like Obi-Wan or another jedi is responsibility and a sense of doing what must be done. Ezra shouldn't have left the Rebel base, and by coming he's basically put things in jeopardy. Basically Obi-wan told Ezra that he's not a good jedi because he relies on his powers to much, and in my mind craves adventure and confrontation.
Then we get Maul entrance stage right for the confrontation. Obi-Wan tells Ezra that he's not needed and sends him on his way.
Maul to his credit figures out why Kenobi feels like someone who's not just hiding but has a sense of purpose, he then reaches the conclusion that Obi-Wan is hiding something or someone at which point Obi-Wan realizes that the whole I don't want to fight you stance is long past and ignites his light saber.
Now I'm sure that people were expecting an awesome final confrontation, even I was trembling a bit as Maul and Obi-Wan sized each other up. But as soon as the fight started it was over as Obi in one move sliced through Mauls saber and through Maul himself.
And with that Maul collapses and Obi cradles him as Maul asks if what Kenobi is hiding or guarding will destroy the Sith. When Obi-Wan nods, Maul's last words were then he will avenge us.
With that Maul's story arc ended and the episode ended with Ezra arriving back at the base to let them know that Maul was no longer a threat, and Obi-Wan watching Luke from a distance.
Part of me, like I said was a bit sore that the confrontation wasn't longer. But here's the thing. Maul was a minor piece in the Star Wars puzzle, he was no longer a Sith, and he was driven by petty revenge. Obi-Wan even stated that the desire to dominate and possess makes one weaker and not stronger. That reasoning alone makes the quick battle make sense. Also while Maul was pursuing revenge, I tend to believe that Obi-Wan spent time in the desert becoming not a stronger, but a smarter Jedi. Age = Wisdom makes a lot of sense here.
Was I sad to see Maul go? Sure a bit, because the Mandalorian arc made him a great character, but in the Rebels stories with Maul you saw him as a guy driven irrational by his single minded quest for revenge. I do feel though that overall there was a writers gap as the writers lead us to believe that Maul simply hated Obi-Wan, but when he died you got a sense that there was a bigger character justification in that Maul hated the Sith and the Empire for abandoning him, and if they would have explored that his death might have been more meaningful.
Overall not a great episode, but it had some nice story telling and imagery. Also when we talk about character development, Chopper has gotten a load of it this season and you almost sensed him saying "Oh for gods sake" when he decided to cross the desert.
The line by Kenobi where he said "Maul lead you here where you should never been seen" almost felt like a sly shot at the continual introduction of major and minor Star Wars characters from the EU and movies to the Ghosts crew.
Next week is the two part episode involving the battle of Lothal as the season finale. I tend to think that its going to need something special to wipe out the sour taste that some fans might have.
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Yeah I think that's the way the final battle between Maul and Obi-Wan should have been, that part I liked. I liked how Maul's arc ended.
Don't really like how the buildup impacted the rest of the series though, the holocrons seemed like such key things, the visions seemed important, and the end results don't match the setup.
I wonder if they had bigger plans but then when they found out they had another season they pushed things out.
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Honestly I think that they are going to stretch things out, though I wonder how much of a cliff hanger next weeks season finale will have.
I tend to think that they've been building things up to a completely massive and demoralizing loss next week to Thrawn. He's due a big win, Also Tarkin is in next weeks episode as well as rumors of Bo-Katan which means that Sabine might be in the mix.
I still think that Ezra's fall isn't going to be a long drawn out thing like Anakin's was. Its going to be sudden and brutal, because frankly this weeks episode showed that while Ezra is pretty powerful in terms of the Force, he's was too impulsive and emotional and is always rushing off to save his friends. In other words he has a real heightened sense of attachment which will lead to his downfall if it happens.
I think the holocron's are still going to be very key. The biggest thing I've noticed is that Kanan hasn't been all that present in the series and its like he's not involved in training Ezra right now, it feels like Ezra is training himself and maybe not doing a great job of it.
When you look at things it was clear that Maul had no further to go, you almost felt sympathy for him, he was a man who thought he had a destiny, to be a power in Palpatine's new galactic order. But in the end he was small and fairly insignificant and he was lost.
When I look at other characters. I don't know how much further they can go with Sabine, but she might get the heroic return next week and then that might be it.
Zeb really hasn't had any development since the story where he was stranded with Kallus and they bought some real closure with him. How much further can we go with her.
Kanan still has a story to tell, we've learned about the end of his time as a Jedi, but he's never gotten closure to his guilt. And Hera is still a bit of a mystery as well. We've met her father, but we really haven't seen what lead her to where she is today.
Chop originally started as mere comic relief and as the jerk that every crew needs. But he's become a fairly complex and loyal character, and all we know about him was that he was abandoned at the end of the Clone Wars until he was found by Hera.
Ezra is still too impulsive and he seems to be willing to use whatever power no matter what the cost to protect his friends. He's always had this desire to be strong enough to protect his friends and Obi-Wan basically hammered him on that tonight. But that is very much the same story as the fall of Anakin Skywalker who fell out of love and the desire to protect those closest to him. I still believe that he didn't want to initially kill Obi-Wan when he fell, but was trapped by the fall.
Next week should be interesting.
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As a cool add on and I should have realized it. At the start of the fight, Obi-Wan took up the stance that he used against Anakin, then he switched to the stance that Qui-gon used against Maul and then quickly ended the fight.
Obi-Wan had evolved and become a true master, he knew what was coming from Maul who never evolved and couldn't.
It was a cool catch on an other board.
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I thought that was one of the best episodes, if not the best episode, of Rebels we've had. I loved how fast it was over, that's how it should have been, this Maul was ragged and twisted, it wasn't the strong version we knew years ago in TCW, time, jealousy, envy, revenge had all taken an ugly toll on Maul while it has had the opposite affect on Obi-Wan. While Maul was frothing at the mouth lashing out, seeming to be a rabid dog chasing a car, not even sure what to do with it when he caught it, Obi-Wan was training in peace and with purpose, the most important job in the galaxy, defending Luke.
I loved how Obi-Wan's temperament changed when Maul caught on to why he was there, it went from I pity you to I must defeat you, then pity again after. It also speaks to Obi-Wan's Jedi mastery that he was not petty at all for the murder of his former friend/lover/whatever she was, the Mandalorean, he simply just had pity in his eyes and perhaps a little compassion for what Maul had gone through internally all this years. It's like talking to a dude at your 10 year high school reunion who admits all this time he was pissed off about some burn you said to him at a party.. how can you not let things go?
I admit that some of the build up seems like it could have been shorter for this, all the twisting and turning to get here. But it is a tv show and they are known for that.. all and all I was very happy with the episode. Especially the ending, with the subtle theme music playing at the end and Luke bounding across the desert, pretty cool way to cap it off.
I'm glad we can get closure on Maul and Obi-Wan's feud and that we were able to see just how close it all came to Luke, and that it wasn't all just sitting around and waiting. Ready for them to get back to the Lothal stuff now though and hopefully focus more on Ezra's darkside battle and building the Rebellion next season.
I think this article with Dave Filoni, the Executive Producer of Rebels, will help shed some light on why things went down the way they did:
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“I felt strongly Obi-Wan, if he could help it, would really rather not kill Darth Maul. Obi-Wan is at a point, in my mind, where he’s become rather enlightened. He’s been in the desert discovering who he is, really evolving as a character. He’s not that young brash kid that went into a fight with Maul out of anger for the fact his master was killed. It can’t be that same situation this is so many years later. Maul, for his part, is pretty much hung up on that exact moment. That’s where his life went wrong. He can’t let it go.”
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That was a perfect fight for Maul and Kenobi. I felt before even seeing how it would go down that Kenobi was going to make short work of h8m. All he's ever done since exile is likely sit there watching Luke and honing His Jedi mastery to a razor edge. Meanwhile mauls been wasting time gallivanting around the Galaxy and taking down lesser foes. That site temple thing was pretty evident where he stood in the duelling pecking order of the remaining force users. Above Kazan and the Inquisitors, but we'll below Ahsoka and Vader.
One thing I was wondering about is Obi-Wan's age.. google tells me he was between 57-59 when he dies, so that is what.. 4 years after this episode? So he should be around 53 in Rebels? He definitely looks in his mid to late 60's at best. Not that I really care that much since they are just trying to match it up to A New Hope Obi-Wan, but I've seen this pop up across the internet since the episode aired.
How old was he in Revenge of the Sith? And how many years later is this? Seems like he has aged terribly in that time span?
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One thing I was wondering about is Obi-Wan's age.. google tells me he was between 57-59 when he dies, so that is what.. 4 years after this episode? So he should be around 53 in Rebels? He definitely looks in his mid to late 60's at best. Not that I really care that much since they are just trying to match it up to A New Hope Obi-Wan, but I've seen this pop up across the internet since the episode aired.
How old was he in Revenge of the Sith? And how many years later is this? Seems like he has aged terribly in that time span?
I always thought that he was about 35 in ROTS and ANH took place 19 years after that so he'd be 54.
I've always thought he looked older because he lived nearly 20 years on a planet that's all desert with twin suns, and probably a lot of stress.
I mean you look at how much Aunt Beru aged from revenge of the Sith to a new hope
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Ya that is kind of what I figured as well, I also think that Lucas had a chance to land a great actor for the spot so he just cast it, regardless of age. Or would he be considering age back then without the prequels?
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Ya that is kind of what I figured as well, I also think that Lucas had a chance to land a great actor for the spot so he just cast it, regardless of age. Or would he be considering age back then without the prequels?
IIRC when he first made ANH the idea of 9 movies was a lot different, and even 1-3 hadn't been fleshed out yet beyond there was a1-3.
For all Lucas knows Beru and Owen were just random people, and episode 1-3 wasn't on some set timeline.
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Some details about the finale so don't watch if you want to go in blind. The actual trailer doesn't work from Canada, this has some guy talking at the end.
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That guy talking is actually photon, he's just trying to gauge our interest in his new Star Wars kids show podcast. Well it sucks photon, it sucks.
I loved watching the Y-Wings on their bombing runs, maybe this will be the part where we finally see some X-Wings come in!
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5 Imperial Star Destroyers. So that would be about 350 fighters and Bombers. about 50,000 Stormtroopers, probably another 25,000 of their Imperial Army troops, 100 ATAT's, 40 heavy duel mounted turbo laser canons.
Versus a old Imperial carrier with probably 25 front line fighters (X and Y Wings). What looks like a couple of squadrons on the panet, plus the ghost. a couple of obsolete hammer heads.
This should be a major defeat.
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Wait, are those Death Troopers coming out of that Lambda Shuttle with him? The armor looks Storm Trooperish but even the one in the very back who is still in the light looks dark. And the very first second they move out it does look like that armor.. and compare the darkness of his white clothes with the darkness of their armor, if they were Stormies wouldn't it be a similar color?
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