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Old 09-09-2014, 08:52 AM   #1361
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This is Vladimir requesting da flyby

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle20478538/
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Old 09-09-2014, 08:52 AM   #1362
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Such a fragile balance as EU has to ramp up sanctions, but don't want to force Russia go nuclear (aka force shutting off gas sales, which would be equally as rough on Russia).
Yeah, I can't see them shutting off the gas completely as it would hurt them as much as Europe. I could see them shutting off portions though. The 3 northern pipelines that go to northern and western Europe and the far southern route through Turkey are likely all too lucrative to shut off.

The line under the Black Sea and through Bulgaria that feeds the Balkans (including EU and NATO countries Bulgaria, Slovenia and Croatia) is likely one they could afford to shut down for a while and given the fragile state of the economies there, it would be a good pressure point from their perspective. It would however screw over their biggest and pretty much only European ally (Serbia), but Russia is only in it for themselves at this point.
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:31 AM   #1363
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This is Vladimir requesting da flyby

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle20478538/
I have an old friend serving on HTC Toronto, looking forward to talking to him about this when he gets back.
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:56 AM   #1364
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Russia to close airspace off to Western airliners as a retaliation for sanctions. Looks like trans-continentals will take a bit longer
What are they gonna do? Shoot down the airlines?

Oh, wait . . .
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:01 AM   #1365
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I have an old friend serving on HTC Toronto, looking forward to talking to him about this when he gets back.
HTC?

I have never heard of that.

I know HMSC, but what does HTC stand for?
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Old 09-09-2014, 11:11 AM   #1366
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I have an old friend serving on HTC Toronto, looking forward to talking to him about this when he gets back.
I wonder if our own resident naval expert IgiTang might also have some thoughts on the matter?

Side note - anyone else think the donkey from Family Guy could pretty much handle the job of Russian PR addressing any incident involving Ukraine?



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Old 09-10-2014, 05:41 PM   #1367
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Such a fragile balance as EU has to ramp up sanctions, but don't want to force Russia go nuclear (aka force shutting off gas sales, which would be equally as rough on Russia).
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Yeah, I can't see them shutting off the gas completely as it would hurt them as much as Europe. I could see them shutting off portions though. The 3 northern pipelines that go to northern and western Europe and the far southern route through Turkey are likely all too lucrative to shut off.

The line under the Black Sea and through Bulgaria that feeds the Balkans (including EU and NATO countries Bulgaria, Slovenia and Croatia) is likely one they could afford to shut down for a while and given the fragile state of the economies there, it would be a good pressure point from their perspective. It would however screw over their biggest and pretty much only European ally (Serbia), but Russia is only in it for themselves at this point.
Russia cuts natural gas deliveries to Poland by more than 20%
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Poland has said the volume of gas it has received so far this week from Russian gas monopoly Gazprom is down by at least 20%.

Some European countries believe Moscow may use a disruption of gas to Europe as a trump card in its confrontation with the west over Ukraine. The row has already brought relations between Moscow and the west to their lowest ebb since the cold war.

Ukraine's gas transport monopoly Ukrtransgaz was quoted by a Russian news agency as saying Gazprom was limiting flows to Poland to disrupt supplies of gas in the opposite direction, from Poland into Ukraine.

Kiev is already cut off from Russian gas in a pricing dispute and depends on these "reverse flows" to supply homes and businesses with gas.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...poland-ukraine
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:47 PM   #1368
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I'm amazed that this wasn't posted as a Ukraine Top Military Authority accused the Russians of using tactical nukes

http://englishrussia.com/2014/09/20/...donetsk-today/

Looks more like a gas line or ammo dump being hit then anything else.
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Old 09-22-2014, 04:49 PM   #1369
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Russian defense minister responds with a strongly worded "You mad bro"

http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/750516
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Old 09-23-2014, 07:47 AM   #1370
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HTC?

I have never heard of that.

I know HMSC, but what does HTC stand for?
Sorry, just saw that, new tablet's auto correct.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-29586627

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Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered thousands of troops stationed near the Ukrainian border to return to their bases, Russian media report.

Mr Putin's spokesman said about 17,600 soldiers on training exercises in the Rostov region would be pulled back.
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Old 10-30-2014, 04:22 PM   #1372
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Putin speech:

http://eng.kremlin.ru/news/23137
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Wow, quite a powerful speech. I don't believe the details about Ukraine, as though Russia had no military role there, but the global description had a lot of substance.
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Old 10-31-2014, 01:44 PM   #1374
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Wow, quite a powerful speech. I don't believe the details about Ukraine, as though Russia had no military role there, but the global description had a lot of substance.
He certainly gives some detailed responses. I don't believe he is being honest, but definitely some interesting points.

You can tell that he resents the West kept pushing their agenda after Cold War. From his perspective, the end of the Cold War should have stopped the West from pursuing relations with countries is Russia's sphere. But then he was also stating that Russia has no desire to interfere in the business of others. It is quite contradictory.

His point about democracy in Russia and the West is interesting though. He acknowledges that democracy in Russia is a work in progress rather than a revolution. Meanwhile, he pointed out that Russia has more direct democracy than the U.S. where money and the electoral delegate system very much interferes with the democratic process.
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His point about democracy in Russia and the West is interesting though. He acknowledges that democracy in Russia is a work in progress rather than a revolution. Meanwhile, he pointed out that Russia has more direct democracy than the U.S. where money and the electoral delegate system very much interferes with the democratic process.
He's right, Russia is more direct. In Russia you only need money to interfere with the democratic process.
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Russia breaks ceasefire by sending in 32 tanks, 16 howitzers and 30 armored troop transports into Ukraine.

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A column of 32 tanks and 30 trucks has crossed into eastern Ukraine from Russia, the Ukrainian government says.

The trucks were carrying ammunition and fighters, said a military spokesman, but the BBC cannot confirm his report.

A fragile ceasefire has been in place since 5 September, although hundreds of people have been killed since then.

More than 4,000 people have died since fighting erupted in April after pro-Russian separatists seized control in the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk.

The European OSCE monitoring mission has warned that the "bloodletting" is still going on, with numerous incidents of shelling.


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Russia breaks ceasefire by sending in 32 tanks, 16 howitzers and 30 armored troop transports into Ukraine.





http://news.sky.com/story/1368812/ru...s-into-ukraine
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29952505

I'll say it, the Russian Gov't are scum.
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Nothing says ceasefire like tanks.
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Weird that they're sending in a short tank regiment with support and troop transport. The question is, I guess, is this a delivery or is this an invasion.

Reading some of the stories, this might be trained "Fighters" returning to the Ukraine after training on equipment in Russia.
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Weird that they're sending in a short tank regiment with support and troop transport. The question is, I guess, is this a delivery or is this an invasion.

Reading some of the stories, this might be trained "Fighters" returning to the Ukraine after training on equipment in Russia.
So you are saying the armoured regiment of equipment from Russia is just a purchase by the vacationing 'tourists'?
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