I think Sid is great, yes he whines but he is the best player in the league and he gets hacked game in game out. The dude is fun to watch period aside from a few minor crybaby moments.
Ah, I remember that game so well... Without Kipper I'm sure the 1st period score would have been around 5-0 or so.
Zamler, I'd appreciate an intelligent rebuttal rather than a childish comment.
Go back and read what you wrote. You are basically saying the best player in the world doesn't matter to anyone except the Penguins and the pocket books of corporations. Even more bizarre is you are essentially saying Crosby will have no impact on the game after he retires.
Both are completely ridiculous and quite honest stupid. You obviously have a blind hatred for Crosby (it escapes me as to why) so I don't imagine anything I can say will make any difference or change your mind, do you actually want a response from me?
I will say this to you. Crosby in an incredibly committed athlete who has become the best player in the game mainly through complete dedication to the sport. He is not the most naturally skilled, certainly not the biggest player, not the best skater, not the best shooter. But he constantly does everything in his power to get better, and that kind of dedication sets an example for everyone in hockey, and that makes the sport better. Plus he is amazing to watch, you can't deny that. Not to mention he scored the gold medal winning goal for Canada on home soil, that alone puts him in a class by himself, we will probably not see that again in our lifetime.
Crosby makes the game of hockey better just like many greats before him have. No offense to Brandon Prust, but he is not going to change the game of hockey like Crosby. If you can't understand that, then you honestly don't understand the sport at all.
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I was probably way off when I said that about Crosby. I need to stay out of Crosby threads. It's a touchy subject with me and my extremely negative attitude towards him gets in the way.
Zamler, I'd appreciate an intelligent rebuttal rather than a childish comment.
You need to make an intelligent point if you want an intelligent rebuttal.
All you said was he doesn't make anything better without explaining or detailing why you have that belief. Someone could reply with "yes, he does," and there wouldn't be any difference between it and what you said, besides it being the opposite.
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Go back and read what you wrote. You are basically saying the best player in the world doesn't matter to anyone except the Penguins and the pocket books of corporations. Even more bizarre is you are essentially saying Crosby will have no impact on the game after he retires.
Both are completely ridiculous and quite honest stupid. You obviously have a blind hatred for Crosby (it escapes me as to why) so I don't imagine anything I can say will make any difference or change your mind, do you actually want a response from me?
I will say this to you. Crosby in an incredibly committed athlete who has become the best player in the game mainly through complete dedication to the sport. He is not the most naturally skilled, certainly not the biggest player, not the best skater, not the best shooter. But he constantly does everything in his power to get better, and that kind of dedication sets an example for everyone in hockey, and that makes the sport better. Plus he is amazing to watch, you can't deny that. Not to mention he scored the gold medal winning goal for Canada on home soil, that alone puts him in a class by himself, we will probably not see that again in our lifetime.
Crosby makes the game of hockey better just like many greats before him have. No offense to Brandon Prust, but he is not going to change the game of hockey like Crosby. If you can't understand that, then you honestly don't understand the sport at all.
I agree with most of your post, but you said a couple of points that I would like to know why you said them. You said Crosby was not the most naturally skilled, not the best skater or shooter. I got to say, I have watched Crosby for many years going back to his junior days and seeing many highlights back from he pee-wee days. I got to say that this guy is nothing but pure skill~ which is what made him a number one pick and people knew he was going to be for years before he was.
This guy makes my jaw drop just in practice the way he can pick a top corner with his backhand right on the money without effort. He might not have the hardest shot, but it is deadly accurate and effective which to me, makes it more important.
He may not be the fastest skater, but I have never seen a more effective player on his skates the way he can stop and go on a dime. Remember that game where he had Spezza chasing him back and forth behind the net several times before he set up the goal out front? that was classic.
So I guess the one question I would have for you is, who is more naturally skilled than Crosby ? who has a better overall game as it pertains to overall ice vision, scoring ability, and hockey smarts~ I'm just curious.
So I guess the one question I would have for you is, who is more naturally skilled than Crosby ? who has a better overall game as it pertains to overall ice vision, scoring ability, and hockey smarts~ I'm just curious.
Ovechkin to me is more naturally skilled, his wrist shot is devastating for one. I'm not trying to say Crosby is unskilled, he obviously is. But I don't think he is most naturally skilled player, meaning he has become as good as he is from relentless practice, I doubt there is a player that works harder on his game than Crosby.
His on ice vision I agree he is the best at that right now. Not sure I would consider that skill so much as just being smart and understanding the game and having the ability to anticipate.
I agree with most of your post, but you said a couple of points that I would like to know why you said them. You said Crosby was not the most naturally skilled, not the best skater or shooter. I got to say, I have watched Crosby for many years going back to his junior days and seeing many highlights back from he pee-wee days. I got to say that this guy is nothing but pure skill~ which is what made him a number one pick and people knew he was going to be for years before he was.
This guy makes my jaw drop just in practice the way he can pick a top corner with his backhand right on the money without effort. He might not have the hardest shot, but it is deadly accurate and effective which to me, makes it more important.
He may not be the fastest skater, but I have never seen a more effective player on his skates the way he can stop and go on a dime. Remember that game where he had Spezza chasing him back and forth behind the net several times before he set up the goal out front? that was classic.
So I guess the one question I would have for you is, who is more naturally skilled than Crosby ? who has a better overall game as it pertains to overall ice vision, scoring ability, and hockey smarts~ I'm just curious.
What I believe he means is Crosby became the great player he is via intense training and absolute dedication to the sport, not because he was born this way.
Crosbys sixth sense isn't Hockey. He isn't as good as he is, just because.
Gretzky was born and raised into the sport of hockey. He wasn't really an extremely strong player, he was just great with the puck and he could move so well that all the other players wouldn't be able to catch him. He is naturally skilled. Typically, Canadian players come naturally skilled because they grew up, literally, IN hockey. He is still, extremely talented at the base, but the reason he can score 100 points a (full) season is because he's so dedicated. I doubt Gretzky would have been at 2800 points if it wasn't for training, but he still would have had more points than Crosby could get because of how he was born.
I never trained myself to have great reflexes and hand-eye coordination, but I'm still a good goalie. Other people need to go through lots of training to get good between the pipes because they weren't born with the skills needed to succeed on their own.
I never really, practiced photoshop. I just naturally come with the ability to tell what looks right, and after 2 years of experience I'm able to do just about anything, I never had a tutor or anything..
Same goes for hockey players, others find it really hard to succeed without another great player helping them and training them til they can't go any longer, others can train themselves because they find it in them, key word, naturally.
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If you want to see a naturally skilled goal scorer, look at Stamkos. Part of his goal production is he knows exactly how to find the open spots, but his ability to shoot the puck so quickly and accurately makes it nearly impossible for goalies to stop. Even when the goaltender knows how the play is going to develop and where Stamkos is going to shoot, it doesn't matter because by the time they get set for the shot it's already in the net. Take Brett Hull, the guy was a lazy boob on the ice half the time, but he could shoot the puck, that to me came naturally for him.
I don't think Crosby is that kind of goal scorer, if he contends for or wins another scoring title, it will be from sheer force of will more than skill alone.
I doubt there is a player that works harder on his game than Crosby.
I'm not the biggest Crosby fan but I admire this about him. Here's someone who's been told at an early age (by Gretzky, no less) that he'll be his generation's greatest player. It would be the easiest thing in the world to slack.
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Sid the kid is a special talent like lebron james is to basketball. He is not as physically gifted as Ovie or kovalchuck but he is in great shape. He is a natural born athlete, his puck vision and ability to see the ice is amongst the best in most recent times. Couple that with his dedication to the game and he is the total package.
LOL you know, my friend honestly thinks that Crosby would win in a fight against Iginla. Because he actually held his own against Giroux. I almost want them to get into a huge argument on who did more work to get the golden goal and then they'll hate eachother and then I'll have something against him.
Damn, when Pittsburgh beat us in the home opener I was shattered. But I know 3 leafs fans that were talking crap about the Flames, and Kipper. After Valentines day.. haven't heard a word...
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I can't believe there is even discussion over whether Sidney Crosby is naturally talented or a player who got to where he did mostly through hard work. Crosby was identified at a VERY YOUNG age. According to Wikipedia, he gave his first newspaper interview at the age of 7. I'm sorry, but you don't stand head and shoulders above every one else in his age group at age 7 and below by simply having a better work ethic than other kids. Simply put, many NHL players spent their childhood years using their free time playing hockey and working on their skills. Crosby was a hockey phenom starting from a very young age.
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But I don't think he is most naturally skilled player, meaning he has become as good as he is from relentless practice
The greatest players are almost always the hardest workers. It's meaningless to say Crosby isn't the most naturally skilled. The most naturally skilled hockey player is probably some lazy Russian player.
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If you want to see a naturally skilled goal scorer, look at Stamkos.
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I don't think Crosby is that kind of goal scorer, if he contends for or wins another scoring title, it will be from sheer force of will more than skill alone.
Seriously? You think Crosby scores goals through a sheer force of will rather than natural skill? Don't mistake the fact that Crosby isn't a one trick pony for not being naturally talented.
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I never trained myself to have great reflexes and hand-eye coordination, but I'm still a good goalie. Other people need to go through lots of training to get good between the pipes because they weren't born with the skills needed to succeed on their own.
I never really, practiced photoshop. I just naturally come with the ability to tell what looks right, and after 2 years of experience I'm able to do just about anything, I never had a tutor or anything..
Same goes for hockey players, others find it really hard to succeed without another great player helping them and training them til they can't go any longer, others can train themselves because they find it in them, key word, naturally.
Lol. Sure man. You're just "naturally awesome" . You're as talented as Patrick Roy but he just worked harder than you.
You make it sound like Crosby was some sort of average joe talent who worked extremely hard to become a decent hockey player. Seriously? I've never seen you play or seen your photoshop skills (feel free to post images/links), but there's a difference between your talents as a hockey goalie and photoshop user and Crosby's hockey talents. Yours is merely average to decent who never worked at it, while Crosby's hockey talents were great to begin with and Crosby worked extremely hard to become one of the best ever.
The best players work hard at their game. I can't believe some people don't realize this and think that it's mostly hard work that made them the best. Obviously there are just some guys who are blessed with great size and skills like Mario Lemieux, but the best players tend to be extremely competitive players who worked extremely hard at improving their game.
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Flyingdonutz talking about Gretzky and his skills, it's ironic because Gretzky probably quit his career when Donutz came out of the womb.
Yeah, right, I'm 12. As it turns out, Barrack Obama is my father, I was born in Madagascar, I lived with monkeys for a few years, I actually played hockey with them too, it turns out that apes are huge Flames fans. I wanted to branch off into a country with more hockey. They told me Canada was the best place to go (I ran into Kevin James, he told me the monkeys talk).
So off I went. I ventured through jungles. I spent so much time in there. I came across this beach. There was a giraffe, a zebra, lion, hippo, and a few other animals. The Hippo told me some Penguins could get me to New York, so off I went with them on this huge ship. From New York, I walked to Toronto. Went to the zoo, and I asked the bears where Sault Ste Marie is, as I heard Gretzky came out of their OHL team, and the Espositos and Francis were born there. They said about 8 hours west, between some lakes or something. So I walked down Highway 501 til I got to 17, walked down it for about 8 days, ended up falling down some stairs. into a house. As it turns out, it was my house. Then, I went on the internet right away and joined CP.
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Lol. Sure man. You're just "naturally awesome" . You're as talented as Patrick Roy but he just worked harder than you.
You make it sound like Crosby was some sort of average joe talent who worked extremely hard to become a decent hockey player. Seriously? I've never seen you play or seen your photoshop skills (feel free to post images/links), but there's a difference between your talents as a hockey goalie and photoshop user and Crosby's hockey talents. Yours is merely average to decent who never worked at it, while Crosby's hockey talents were great to begin with and Crosby worked extremely hard to become one of the best ever.
The best players work hard at their game. I can't believe some people don't realize this and think that it's mostly hard work that made them the best. Obviously there are just some guys who are blessed with great size and skills like Mario Lemieux, but the best players tend to be extremely competitive players who worked extremely hard at improving their game.
Man, did I even once compare myself to Roy? No! I merely compared my abilities that I didn't have to work at much to be the best AT MY SKILL LEVEL and to be good with Photoshop. It comes with having a creative mind and good reflexes. The only training I've ever done is before games, and that's it. I learn from watching names like Kipper, Roy, Theodore, play.
I'm not saying as a kid I was better than greats, because I wasn't. I've never played organized hockey in my life, I've never once been trained by anyone, nobody has ever given me tips along the way, and I've basically taught myself everything I know about goaltending, from watching the greats play my whole life. So yes, I consider myself a good goalie. I usually don't take pride in what I do, but goaltending is one thing I do.
BTW, I made my signature in roughly 4 minutes, if that counts for much. It's not too impressive, but it's basically the only example I feel like giving you.
I always feel like I can better myself at everything. And I can. And that's why I find success.
Crosby obviously has lots of natural talent. What we're saying is that he wouldn't have the ability to score 100 points a healthy season if it wasn't for hard work and dedication.
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Instead of assuming to have an excuse to put each other down, why not instead analyse what someone said and get them to clarify before jumping down their throats?
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On a side note, some members on this forum love putting down other members, I noticed. As I've said before, for a forum that in majority likes to put down other forums like the Canucks forum and the HFBoards, we have a hard time forgiving, forgetting, and overall being kind to fellow members.
Instead of assuming to have an excuse to put each other down, why not instead analyse what someone said and get them to clarify before jumping down their throats?
I think some people just invite it. I get on just fine here despite my pro-Canuck agenda.
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Seriously? You think Crosby scores goals through a sheer force of will rather than natural skill? Don't mistake the fact that Crosby isn't a one trick pony for not being naturally talented.
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I don't know, I still think Crosby is a more dynamic scorer over Stamkos. Sid is gonna get you goals from all over the place, including dekeing out 3 defenders to get to the net- I just see Sid as being much more dynamic more than a one dimentional goal scorer as Stamkos or a Brett Hull - don't get me wrong, Stamkos has a hell of a shot, but they are not usually "highlight" goals. A great player and as naturally skilled as Crosby is means he is gonna score, or help set up a goal 50 different ways. That's skill, smarts, and something you can't "learn" you just "have it"~ along with training and dedication of course. He "has it" just like Gretzky had it in terms of being naturally skilled- as another poster said, they have been tracking this guy since he was 7.
I appreciate what you're saying. My personal opinion from watching Crosby is he is more hard work than skill. But that statement to some means he has no skill, I'm not saying that. I'm saying one is more a factor than the other, and combined that makes him the best in the world.
I appreciate what you're saying. My personal opinion from watching Crosby is he is more hard work than skill. But that statement to some means he has no skill, I'm not saying that. I'm saying one is more a factor than the other, and combined that makes him the best in the world.
I would have to disagree with you. Crosby does work very hard but he is a natural and special talent that comes around once every 20 years. I am not a sid the kid fan or a pens fan for that matter but he is something special. He is always in the right place and always sends the puck to the right place. He is well rounded and can change his game, a few years ago the Pens lost Hossa and had some injuries and he changed the dynmaic of his game to being a scorer instead of a passer and won the Rocket Richard.
All players can work hard, Nystrom tries harder than anyone else I know and is still one of the worst players in the league.
Don't mistake the fact that Crosby isn't a one trick pony for not being naturally talented.
. You're as talented as Patrick Roy but he just worked harder than you. 
