Maybe now that someone like Lanny has said this people will get on board more. Great stuff from Lanny.
To be clear he wasn't blaming them, just stating the obvious that
1) Kipper masked the Flames problems this year and management should have know better
2) Keeping the players the same is spinning your wheels.
Actually, nothing masked the problems of the team more than the fact that Calgarians has had so much money since that boom after 2004. Let's face it, no one has put their money where their mouth is. We keep complaining about the same thing year in and year out, Sutter kept spending more and more money on the defence rather than rectifying the centerman problem, and yet the seats kept filling up even with ticket price increases. So, who's fault is that really?
I don't think you would get as much as you'd think for Iggy. He's 34 and really only provides you with 30G 60-70Pts and doesn't have a great contract. You won't get a top prospect or a top 10 pick for him. At best, maybe a low low low 1st rounder. Kipper could bring in a huge return IF he is traded to the right team.
In that case. Kudos. Still stand by what I said. The future is not easy to predict. If Lanny can do it, maybe he should be advising the GM.
Actually, it's not to hard to get a handle on how a team will do in the future; just look at the age of the core.
In the NHL today, teams live and die by the draft. Once it became apparent the Flames didn't have any top-flight young talent in the 19-25 range, and its two best players were approaching their mid-30s, a long-term decline was very likely.
Who said that Crosby would replace Malkin in this hypothetical argument? Without Malkin, and under identical circumstances in which Crosby played in only 22-games this past season, t is very conceivable that the Penguins struggle to make the playoffs.
No one said it, but if the point was the Pens wouldn't have made the playoffs with out their 2 best players, as a comparitor to the Kipper comments and Calgary, then it was simply a stupid comparison / point being made by the poster who made it.
I was simply given the poster the benefit of the doubt that his point wasn't completely idiotic, and I think that was probably the right call.
Actually, it's not to hard to get a handle on how a team will do in the future; just look at the age of the core.
In the NHL today, teams live and die by the draft. Once it became apparent the Flames didn't have any top-flight young talent in the 19-25 range, and its two best players were approaching their mid-30s, a long-term decline was very likely.
Well I was talking about the general optimism towards the team three years ago and then two years ago. Because that is the time period this consideration would be taking into account.
I don't remember a lot of people thinking the team would be terrible when the season started three years ago. A lot of people talking about Stanley Cups and Norris trophies for Bouwmeester. Two years ago, perhaps the writing was on the wall, but I still don't think anyone can sit there and say they know exactly what will happen.
Well I was talking about the general optimism towards the team three years ago and then two years ago. Because that is the time period this consideration would be taking into account.
I don't remember a lot of people thinking the team would be terrible when the season started three years ago. A lot of people talking about Stanley Cups and Norris trophies for Bouwmeester. Two years ago, perhaps the writing was on the wall, but I still don't think anyone can sit there and say they know exactly what will happen.
Just read my signature.
There was more than a vocal minority of posters who saw this outcome as entirely predictable.
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sorry if this is a dumb question, but who is Lanny? very unaware..
I repeat:
Ahem.
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I look forward to our wager. I'm feeling confident. I'm thinking your signature, should I win, will be something like this:
MoneyGuy is smarter than me 'cause he bet on the Oilers to beat the Flames in the standings. Flames suck!
Of course, if the Flames get lucky and top the Oilers I will put the reverse into my signature, or something else of your creation. What do you think? What sig would you like me to put up?
Actually, nothing masked the problems of the team more than the fact that Calgarians has had so much money since that boom after 2004. Let's face it, no one has put their money where their mouth is. We keep complaining about the same thing year in and year out, Sutter kept spending more and more money on the defence rather than rectifying the centerman problem, and yet the seats kept filling up even with ticket price increases. So, who's fault is that really?
Good thing ticket buyers are smarter than you and understand that their purchase entitles them to an entertaining hockey game and that is all.
No one can fault the Flames for trying. They spent a lot of money building a winner and it was not good enough. Championships are not guaranteed.
As long as they keep trying the dome will be full. In the old days of save our flames they had hardly any stars.
Good thing ticket buyers are smarter than you and understand that their purchase entitles them to an entertaining hockey game and that is all.
No one can fault the Flames for trying. They spent a lot of money building a winner and it was not good enough. Championships are not guaranteed.
As long as they keep trying the dome will be full. In the old days of save our flames they had hardly any stars.
Should we congratulate them for being able to spend a lot of money? But youīre right, stupidity isnīt a crime but incompetence sure isnīt fun to watch.
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Just read my signature.
There was more than a vocal minority of posters who saw this outcome as entirely predictable.
Maybe, but Lanny's claim to move those players out at the deadline is full of holes. That's where I give him zero credit.
The team needed change, but the time to make major change a team is in the offseason when enough time and thought has been put into the evaluations and some of the emotion has been removed from the process. Unless a team is selling pending UFA's or toxic contracts, the deadline is not the best time to make deals. Especially for players like Iginla, or Kiprusoff. Really the whole issue started with the Jokinen deal the year before. After that they made deals in 2010 looking desperate to make the playoffs, and teams making that many trades for that reason almost always end up with buyers remorse down the road.
If the Flames play out the 09-10 season with the roster they had, make some tough evaluations and move out a couple players than to try and get younger, they certainly are in much better shape today.
They should have altered their course than....today they absolutely need to, but sadly it appears that they're not seeing it.
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Good thing ticket buyers are smarter than you and understand that their purchase entitles them to an entertaining hockey game and that is all.
You're entitled to your opinion on the entertaining hockey. For the better part of the last two seasons, Sutter hockey was not at all very entertaining. I lost count of how many times I snoozed off at the game or on my couch. I can understand that it probably wouldn't hurt any corporate oil & gas companies to buy like 80-90% of the season tickets as accounting write-offs and entertain their employees to watch the games. It's those 10-20% that pay out anywhere from $25 for nosebleed seats where you can hardly make out who's who to those $300+ seats which are pretty nice seating areas. If I was to pay that kind of money for snoozers, plus another $50 to $100+ for food and drinks, cripes I could've gone to the bar and pay for 20 of my friends and have an even better time or stayed home and invited a few good friends over to watch and biatch at Sutter for his coaching tactics.
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No one can fault the Flames for trying. They spent a lot of money building a winner and it was not good enough. Championships are not guaranteed.
Yup, I've supported the Flames since they've arrived in town. I've never called for them to blow-it-up and never will cry out to trade Iggy for Schenn or Kipper for who knows what.
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As long as they keep trying the dome will be full. In the old days of save our flames they had hardly any stars.
If they blow-it-up and/or trade Iggy and Kipper, who are the stars on the Flames team - JBo, Baetschi? How about Comeau? Unless if the Flames gets an absolutely amazing deal that will help the team now and for the future, why even trade the only two stars that we still have? And this is the point I'm trying to make is that in the Young Guns era, there were potential stars that didn't even pan out. The only one that did is still with this team. And the other one that got away, he (St Louis) won the Hart trophy later on. If the Flames goes through that era again, I don't think the Dome (or whatever the stadium that the Flames plays under) will get filled. And if that ever happened for a long period of time again, you will see empty seats in the arena again. I don't think the owners will want to go through that again. I don't as well.
The post I made before was a bit contradictory and I did that with a purpose. I just wanted to make a point about those who wanted to blow up the team just for the sake of seeing new prospects making the team. I guess if these fans who play fantasy hockey on their gaming consoles would attest that this strategy works, but they forget to realize those aren't real life situations in a simulated world. And my final point is, if Lanny was absolutely right, he would've been the GM of the Flames a long time ago.
I respect Lanny, he has a ring, our only ever ring. This organization was good to him, I remember vividly our 3 captains/assistant captains sharing 2 sets of Pajamas throughout the post-season run. People want to question Iggy's leadership, question how much you respect someone giving you a pre-game "lets go get 'em boys" and while your heading on the ice, their taking the elevator...
Iggy and Kipper are likely the last 2 guys for this century, worth letting decide their own fates with this franchise. 2 games into this post season, the only 2 teams up 2-0 are the underdogs...
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One poster got his totals right, Check the 16 who said he was hitting 61+ points! (Maybe they mis-read the poll believing it was his last 3 seasons combined, but either way - still wrong).
