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Old 09-06-2010, 03:03 PM   #41
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I'm curious under what context you see this happening... whom might he be traded for? ... and why would the the Flames and Lightning both be looking to make the deal?

I'm curious as I've never seen any mention of this and Gagne, of course, was just traded to TBL.
several reasons why I can see the Flames persuing him at the deadline...

  1. I expect Tampa out of playoff contention and the Flames in contention
  2. He is a UFA this summer (so just being acquired doesn't mean much)
  3. Our weakest forward position is LW
  4. A 5.25 million cap hit required only about 1.5-1.75 million in cap space
  5. With his injury history he will be cheaper to acquire
Just because no rumor mongers are going on about Gagne doesn't mean it can't happen close rot the deadline... and his salary and trade value make him a much more realistic posibilty than Richards who will likely cost us a 1st rounder, a good prospect and a roster player(s) to get him under the cap
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:22 PM   #42
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In referance to the last question... who do you think we'd add. There are a lot of pretty decent players that have expiring contracts this year, I know most of them will be re-signed long before the UFA market opens next July 1st, but look at the potential playoff rentals available!

http://nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php...=ufa&type=none
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:32 PM   #43
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1. Who wins the Stanley Cup? Pittsburgh

2. Hart Trophy Winner? Ovechkin

3. Art Ross Winner? Ovechkin

4. Rocket Richard Winner? Ovechkin

5. Calder Winner? Fowler

6. Who wins the Norris? Doughty

7. Venzina winner? Miller

8. Lady Byng? Datsyuk

9. Selke? (Mike) Richards

10. Who wins the Presidents Trophy? Penguins

11. Who will lead the Flames in goals? Iginla

12. Who will lead the Flames in assists? Tanguay

13. Who will lead the Flames in points? Iginla

14. What Flame will have the best plus/minus? Bouwmeester

15. Who will lead the Flames in Penalty Minutes? Staois

16. What defenseman on the Flames will have the most points? White

17. How many wins will Kipper have this year? 37

18. How many wins will Karlsson get this year? 6

19. What position in the standings will the Flames finish in? 6

20. Which Flame will improve the most from last season? Bouwmeester

21. Will Kotalik be in the lineup opening night? Yes

22. Will Langkow be in the lineup opening night? No

23. Name a player that will be moved to make cap space. None

24. Which team this season will score the most goals? Washington

25. Which team this season will give up the most goals? Edmonton

26. Who gets the 1st overall pick next draft?

27. Most improved team in the NHL this season? Tampa Bay

28. What team drops the furthest in the standings this season? San Jose

29. Pick a darkhorse team that did not make the playoffs last year to win the cup. Carolina

30. Predict a player that will be acquired sometime during the season to bolster the Flames roster. Bergeron
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Old 09-06-2010, 03:52 PM   #44
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1. Who wins the Stanley Cup?

I really wanna say the Flames because I want them to, but I could see the hawks repeating

2. Hart Trophy Winner?

Sidney Crosby

3. Art Ross Winner?

Sidney Crosby


4. Rocket Richard Winner?

Alex Ovechkin

5. Calder Winner?

I'm going to go on a limb and say Seguin

6. Who wins the Norris?

Keith

7. Venzina winner?

Mikka Kiprusoff


8. Lady Byng?

St. Louis

9. Selke?

Datsyuk

10. Who wins the Presidents Trophy?

Caps

11. Who will lead the Flames in goals?

Jarome Iginla

12. Who will lead the Flames in assists?

Alex Tanguay

13. Who will lead the Flames in points?

Jarome Iginla

14. What Flame will have the best plus/minus?

JayBow

15. Who will lead the Flames in Penalty Minutes?

Raitis Ivanans

16. What defenseman on the Flames will have the most points?

JayBow

17. How many wins will Kipper have this year?

48

18. How many wins will Karlsson get this year?

11
19. What position in the standings will the Flames finish in?

3rd in the West

20. Which Flame will improve the most from last season?

Olli Jokinen

21. Will Kotalik be in the lineup opening night?

Yes

22. Will Langkow be in the lineup opening night?

No, I think he'll be traded before the season starts, even if he isn't traded I don't think he'll start

23. Name a player that will be moved to make cap space.

Daymond Langkow

24. Which team this season will score the most goals?

Caps

25. Which team this season will give up the most goals?

Edmonton Oilers

26. Who gets the 1st overall pick next draft?

I honestly think that at next years draft, a surprise team is going to make a splash and aquire the #1 overall pick.
27. Most improved team in the NHL this season?

Calgary Flames


28. What team drops the furthest in the standings this season?

Sharks


29. Pick a darkhorse team that did not make the playoffs last year to win the cup.

Calgary Flames


30. Predict a player that will be acquired sometime during the season to bolster the Flames roster.

Brad Richards. I don't think the Stars will be in playoff contention and I don't think he's part of the Stars future plans anyway. I see him coming to Calgary and signing a 3 year extension before July
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Old 09-06-2010, 04:10 PM   #45
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several reasons why I can see the Flames persuing him at the deadline...

  1. I expect Tampa out of playoff contention and the Flames in contention
  2. He is a UFA this summer (so just being acquired doesn't mean much)
  3. Our weakest forward position is LW
  4. A 5.25 million cap hit required only about 1.5-1.75 million in cap space
  5. With his injury history he will be cheaper to acquire
Just because no rumor mongers are going on about Gagne doesn't mean it can't happen close rot the deadline... and his salary and trade value make him a much more realistic posibilty than Richards who will likely cost us a 1st rounder, a good prospect and a roster player(s) to get him under the cap
Fair enough... what do you think it'll cost the Flames to pick him up at the deadline?
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Old 09-06-2010, 04:32 PM   #46
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Fair enough... what do you think it'll cost the Flames to pick him up at the deadline?
no idea, too many variables... depends on his production, health and contract demands
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Old 09-07-2010, 09:07 AM   #47
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1. Who wins the Stanley Cup? Washington

2. Hart Trophy Winner? Crosby

3. Art Ross Winner? Ovechkin

4. Rocket Richard Winner? Ovechkin

5. Calder Winner? Seguin

6. Who wins the Norris? Doughty

7. Venzina winner? Rask/Kipper

8. Lady Byng?Datysuk

9. Selke?Datysuk

10. Who wins the Presidents Trophy? Canucks

11. Who will lead the Flames in goals? Iginla

12. Who will lead the Flames in assists? Tanguay

13. Who will lead the Flames in points? Iginla

14. What Flame will have the best plus/minus? Iginal

15. Who will lead the Flames in Penalty Minutes? Jackman

16. What defenseman on the Flames will have the most points? Boumeester

17. How many wins will Kipper have this year? 40

18. How many wins will Karlsson get this year? 4

19. What position in the standings will the Flames finish in? 6th

20. Which Flame will improve the most from last season? Jokinen

21. Will Kotalik be in the lineup opening night? No

22. Will Langkow be in the lineup opening night? No

23. Name a player that will be moved to make cap space. Kotalik

24. Which team this season will score the most goals? Washington

25. Which team this season will give up the most goals? Edmonton

26. Who gets the 1st overall pick next draft? Edmonton

27. Most improved team in the NHL this season? Tampa

28. What team drops the furthest in the standings this season? Chicago

29. Pick a darkhorse team that did not make the playoffs last year to win the cup. Calgary (gotta be a homer)

30. Predict a player that will be acquired sometime during the season to bolster the Flames roster. Brad Richards
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Old 09-07-2010, 09:25 AM   #48
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In referance to the last question... who do you think we'd add. There are a lot of pretty decent players that have expiring contracts this year, I know most of them will be re-signed long before the UFA market opens next July 1st, but look at the potential playoff rentals available!

http://nhlnumbers.com/freeagents.php...=ufa&type=none
If I was Yzerman, i'd be looking to deal Gagne and St Louis at the deadline to really accelerate their little rebuild, they could get a very nice return for St Louis as a rental... I could see Detroit picking him up, or Pittsburgh.
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Old 09-07-2010, 10:51 AM   #49
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If I was Yzerman, i'd be looking to deal Gagne and St Louis at the deadline to really accelerate their little rebuild, they could get a very nice return for St Louis as a rental... I could see Detroit picking him up, or Pittsburgh.
The only problem with that is I think Tampa Bay is a solid playoff team this year and that is Yzerman's expectations. He would not have acquired Gagne if he was looking at a rebuild.
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The only problem with that is I think Tampa Bay is a solid playoff team this year and that is Yzerman's expectations. He would not have acquired Gagne if he was looking at a rebuild.
Agreed, my statement is assuming they're sitting lower than 8th spot at the deadline. Even then, he may not if they're close.
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Old 09-07-2010, 11:14 AM   #51
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10. Who wins the Presidents Trophy?

Caps

17. How many wins will Kipper have this year?

48

18. How many wins will Karlsson get this year?

11
19. What position in the standings will the Flames finish in?

3rd in the West
118 points (min) is only good enough to get us 3rd in the west?
I like your optimism though...a 28 point jump from where we finished last season!
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Old 09-07-2010, 12:37 PM   #52
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1. Who wins the Stanley Cup? One of Bruins/Caps/Philly from the East and Kings/Flames from the West

2. Hart Trophy Winner? Crosby

3. Art Ross Winner? Ovechkin

4. Rocket Richard Winner? Ovechkin

5. Calder Winner? Filitov

6. Who wins the Norris? Doughty

7. Venzina winner? Kiprusoff

8. Lady Byng? St. Louis

9. Selke? J. Staal

10. Who wins the Presidents Trophy? Capitals

11. Who will lead the Flames in goals? Iginla

12. Who will lead the Flames in assists? Tanguay

13. Who will lead the Flames in points? Iginla

14. What Flame will have the best plus/minus? Giordano

15. Who will lead the Flames in Penalty Minutes? Jackman

16. What defenseman on the Flames will have the most points? Bouwmeester

17. How many wins will Kipper have this year? 46 based on 67 starts

18. How many wins will Karlsson get this year? 8 based on 15 starts

19. What position in the standings will the Flames finish in? 3rd in West

20. Which Flame will improve the most from last season? Kotalik

21. Will Kotalik be in the lineup opening night? Yes

22. Will Langkow be in the lineup opening night? No

23. Name a player that will be moved to make cap space. Langkow and Regehr

24. Which team this season will score the most goals? Capitals

25. Which team this season will give up the most goals? Oilers

26. Who gets the 1st overall pick next draft? Florida

27. Most improved team in the NHL this season? Lightning

28. What team drops the furthest in the standings this season? Avalanche

29. Pick a darkhorse team that did not make the playoffs last year to win the cup. Flames

30. Predict a player that will be acquired sometime during the season to bolster the Flames roster. I think we are 2 top 6 players away from winning a cup so I'm gonna say Brad Richards and Simon Gagne.
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Old 09-07-2010, 02:41 PM   #53
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If I was Yzerman, i'd be looking to deal Gagne and St Louis at the deadline to really accelerate their little rebuild, they could get a very nice return for St Louis as a rental... I could see Detroit picking him up, or Pittsburgh.
St. Louis signed a 4 year extention... he wouldn't be anything like a rental... if you want a more accurate UFA list just use capgeek not nhlnumbers that site is garbage


http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.p...n=All&FAType=2
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Old 09-07-2010, 03:29 PM   #54
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1. Who wins the Stanley Cup? SAN JOSE

2. Hart Trophy Winner? OVECHKIN

3. Art Ross Winner? CROSBY

4. Rocket Richard Winner? KOVALCHUK

5. Calder Winner? HALL

6. Who wins the Norris? BOUWMEESTER

7. Venzina winner? KIPPER

8. Lady Byng? ST LOUISE

9. Selke? DATSYUK

10. Who wins the Presidents Trophy? WASHINGTON

11. Who will lead the Flames in goals? IGINLA

12. Who will lead the Flames in assists? BOUWMEESTER

13. Who will lead the Flames in points? IGINLA

14. What Flame will have the best plus/minus? BOUWMEESTER

15. Who will lead the Flames in Penalty Minutes? IVANANS

16. What defenseman on the Flames will have the most points? BOUWMEESTER

17. How many wins will Kipper have this year? 34

18. How many wins will Karlsson get this year? 11

19. What position in the standings will the Flames finish in? 5

20. Which Flame will improve the most from last season? BOUWMEESTER

21. Will Kotalik be in the lineup opening night? NO

22. Will Langkow be in the lineup opening night? NO

23. Name a player that will be moved to make cap space. SEE QUESTION 22

24. Which team this season will score the most goals? WASHINGTON

25. Which team this season will give up the most goals? EDMONTON ESKIMOS

26. Who gets the 1st overall pick next draft? FLORIDA

27. Most improved team in the NHL this season? CALGARY

28. What team drops the furthest in the standings this season? LA

29. Pick a darkhorse team that did not make the playoffs last year to win the cup. CALGARY

30. Predict a player that will be acquired sometime during the season to bolster the Flames roster. PRONGER
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Lotta posters not realizing that answers to 17&18 should have some correlation to 19
If you are only predicting 45 wins for the Flames, probably should not have them at higher than 8th in the west.
Still as a time waster posting - it's working and appreciated- thanks everyone
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Old 09-07-2010, 06:33 PM   #56
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Lotta posters not realizing that answers to 17&18 should have some correlation to 19
If you are only predicting 45 wins for the Flames, probably should not have them at higher than 8th in the west.
Still as a time waster posting - it's working and appreciated- thanks everyone
yet a team with 44 Wins finished 5th in the West last year
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yet a team with 44 Wins finished 5th in the West last year
touche
Surprised the Wings had 14 otl points last season.
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