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Old 10-17-2007, 11:47 PM   #1
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Forgive me if this is a fata, I did not see a thread after a quick search so stop me now if I'm horribly, horribly mistaken.

Here's HF's prospect list for the Flames:

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ects_fall2007/

Top 20 at a glance

1. (1) Dustin Boyd, C, (7.5 B), 21
2. (2) Leland Irving, G, (8.0 C), 19
3. (3) Daniel Ryder, C, (7.5 B), 19
4. (NR) Mikael Backlund, C, (7.5 B), 18
5. (10) David Moss, LW, (6.5 B), 25
6. (4) Andrei Taratukhin, C, (7.0 C), 24
7. (6) Juuso Puustinen, RW, (7.0 C), 19
8. (5) Mark Giordano, D, (6.5 B), 24
9. (7) Curtis McElhinney, G, (6.5 C), 24
10. (8) Eric Nystrom, RW, (6.5 C), 24
11. (12) Brandon Prust, LW, (6.0 B), 23
12. (17) David Van der Gulik, RW, (6.0 B), 24
13. (11) Matt Keetley, G, (6.5 C), 21
14. (9) Tim Ramholt, D, (6.0 C), 23
15. (20) Matt Pelech, D, (6.0 C), 20
16. (15) Kris Chucko, LW, (6.0 D), 22
17. (NR) Brett Sutter, RW, (5.5 B), 20
18. (19) J.D. Watt, RW, (5.5 C), 20
19. (18) Gord Baldwin, D, (5.5 B), 20
20. (13) Aaron Marvin, C, (6.0 D), 19

Not a huge fan of the list, with a huge notable of Negrin being absent.
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Old 10-18-2007, 12:15 AM   #2
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Adam Pardy also absent too. So you have Moss and McElhinney who are on the team rated 5th and 7th and Pardy who most likely rates as the #8 guy on the current depth chart for defence not even on the list. Seems like more of a what if list than a who's actually got a shot to be on the team list.
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Old 10-18-2007, 12:48 AM   #3
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Awful. Just a real mess. The product of one guy pulling stuff out of his ass. No more, no less.

Hockey's Future sucks. They are to scouting as Eklund is to journalism.

They should just come clean and admit they haven't a clue and leave the Flames spot blank. No point in even dissecting it. Crickets chirping in the vast expanse of the wasteland that it has always been Hockey's Future Flames coverage would have more relevance.

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Old 10-18-2007, 10:08 AM   #4
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yeah the abscence of Negrin is dodgy, and as mentioned even a guy like Palin, Lalande maybe

the numbers thing I never know about either...it so early on a guy like Pelech. I know we are supposed to have abandoned him, but projecting him as a guy that 'might' be a 6th dman, more likely a career minor leaguer seems early days yet
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Old 10-18-2007, 12:16 PM   #5
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Something that really jumps out at me is how low Keetley is. I mean, it's a terrible list (WTF is Moss doing on it???) but Keetley at 13? I suspect he sees action in the NHL sometime this or next season. I think he's closer than a lot of people think.
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Old 10-18-2007, 12:41 PM   #6
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don't know where Aaron Marvin should be ranked, but skating is certainly not a "glaring weakness". Can't fathom how anyone who has seen him play would say that. If anything, skating is a positive, especially for a big man. He's strong on his skates; always moves his feet. He's a bit choppy in his stride, but nothing a few training camps with Barry Karn wouldn't fix
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Old 10-18-2007, 12:52 PM   #7
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Better List:
-Giordano and Taratukhin removed due to departures.
-Moss and McElhinney gradated.

1. Dustin Boyd, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
2. Leland Irving, G, Everett Silvertips (WHL)
3. Mikael Backlund, F, Vasteras (Sweden)
4. Daniel Ryder, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
5. Matt Keetley, G, Quad City Flames (AHL)
6. Adam Pardy, D, Quad City Flames (AHL)
7. David van der Gulik, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
8. Brandon Prust, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
9. Brent Krahn, G, Calgary Flames (NHL) injured reserve
10. Kris Chucko, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
11. Matt Pelech, D, Quad City Flames (AHL)
12. Gord Baldwin, D, Quad City Flames (AHL)
13. Kevin Lalande, G, Quad City Flames (AHL)
14. Brett Sutter, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
15. Eric Nystrom, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
16. Tim Ramholt, D, Quad City Flames (AHL)
17. Tomi Maki, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
18. Aki Seitsonen, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
19. John Negrin, D, Kootenay Ice (WHL)
20. Adam Cracknell, F, Las Vegas Wranglers (ECHL)
21. Ryan Donally, F, Las Vegas Wranglers (ECHL)
22. J.D. Watt, F, Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
23. Juuso Puustinen, F, Kamloops Blazers (WHL)
24. Aaron Marvin, F, NCAA
25. James Spratt, G, NCAA
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Old 10-18-2007, 12:58 PM   #8
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Better List:
-Giordano and Taratukhin removed due to departures.
-Moss and McElhinney gradated.

1. Dustin Boyd, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
2. Leland Irving, G, Everett Silvertips (WHL)
3. Mikael Backlund, F, Vasteras (Sweden)
4. Daniel Ryder, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
5. Matt Keetley, G, Quad City Flames (AHL)
6. Adam Pardy, D, Quad City Flames (AHL)
...
14. Brett Sutter, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
15. Eric Nystrom, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
16. Tim Ramholt, D, Quad City Flames (AHL)
17. Tomi Maki, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
18. Aki Seitsonen, F, Quad City Flames (AHL)
19. John Negrin, D, Kootenay Ice (WHL)
20. Adam Cracknell, F, Las Vegas Wranglers (ECHL)
21. Ryan Donally, F, Las Vegas Wranglers (ECHL)
22. J.D. Watt, F, Red Deer Rebels (WHL)
23. Juuso Puustinen, F, Kamloops Blazers (WHL)
24. Aaron Marvin, F, NCAA
25. James Spratt, G, NCAA
short term list this is ok, but long term hard to know. I'm not as high on Puustinen as some people for example, but there is still some upside there, higher than we've seen I would think from Seitsonen, Cracknell, Donally et al. Pardy ranks high based on he is closest to getting a NHL chance, but again a guy like Negrin probably has higher upside and downside. I' m never quite sure how to balance those 2 factors
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Old 10-18-2007, 01:14 PM   #9
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How's Adam Pardy not on HF's list? What a joke.
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Old 10-18-2007, 02:22 PM   #10
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Here's my top 20, trying to imitate their ridiculous grading system.

1. Dustin Boyd, C, (7.5 B), 21
2. Leland Irving, G, (8.0 C), 19
3. Daniel Ryder, C, (7.5 C), 19
4. Mikael Backlund, C, (7.5 B), 18
5. Curtis McElhinney, G, (6.5 B), 24
6. Brandon Prust, LW, (6.0 B), 23
7. Adam Pardy, D, (6.5 B), 23
8. Mark Giordano, D, (6.5 C), 24
9. Eric Nystrom, RW, (6.0 B), 24
10. Brett Sutter, C/RW, (6.5 B), 20
11. David Van der Gulik, RW, (6.5 B), 24
12. Matt Keetley, G, (7.0 C), 21
13. Kris Chucko, LW, (6.5 C), 22
14. Tim Ramholt, D, (6.5 C), 23
15. Matt Pelech, D, (7.0 C), 20
16. Juuso Puustinen, RW, (7.0 C), 19
17. Gord Baldwin, D, (6.5 C), 20
18. J.D. Watt, RW, (5.5 C), 20
19. John Negrin, D, (7.5 C), 18
20. Per Jonsson, D, (7.0 C), 19

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Old 10-18-2007, 03:01 PM   #11
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Just to give you an idea of the sheer enormity of the undertaking, consider that the Flames 15-man scouting department devotes considerable full-time hours to evaluating prospective players. This is why leaving having ONE writer (in this particular instance) compiling a ranking of 39 players and trying to pass it off as even the least bit authoritative is an exercise in sheer futility.
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Just to give you an idea of the sheer enormity of the undertaking, consider that the Flames 15-man scouting department devotes considerable full-time hours to evaluating prospective players. This is why leaving having ONE writer (in this particular instance) compiling a ranking of 39 players and trying to pass it off as even the least bit authoritative is an exercise in sheer futility.
Making it even more hilarious that it's the Grease fans' bible.
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Making it even more hilarious that it's the Grease fans' bible.
There's no denying the Oilers writer has ongoing access to the team's hockey operations department. That, I think, produces a bias and contributes to adherence to the Party Line. Rightly or wrongly, there's a natural tendency for scouting departments to present a positive public face to their own handiwork. Add to that an effusive writer and you've got the breeding grounds for unrestrained hype.

But that's them. CalgaryPuck can only take care of its own house.
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Old 10-18-2007, 03:53 PM   #14
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don't know where Aaron Marvin should be ranked, but skating is certainly not a "glaring weakness". Can't fathom how anyone who has seen him play would say that. If anything, skating is a positive, especially for a big man. He's strong on his skates; always moves his feet. He's a bit choppy in his stride, but nothing a few training camps with Barry Karn wouldn't fix
Is he even still on the radar. haven;t heard crap about him.
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Add to that an effusive writer and you've got the breeding grounds for unrestrained hype.
The best part about that is that it breeds the consistnt level of mediocrity, due to the fact that Grease fans always feel that management has done such a good job that they're always "one year away" from contending. It's a great time to be a Flames fan.
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Old 10-18-2007, 06:14 PM   #16
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Reading that made me feel really Oiler fan-ish.

We have a lot of great prospects going from 1-16 (minus Tara).
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