US federal "vaccine court" rejects Autism claims

[Bagor]

Don't know how they ever expected to win this one considering they had no credible scientific evidence to back their case. Not to mention following the Wakefield fiasco multiple studies found no link.

WASHINGTON (AP) — In a big blow to parents who believe vaccines caused their children's autism, a special court ruled Thursday that the shots are not to blame.
The court said the evidence was overwhelmingly contrary to the parents' claims — and backed years of science that found no risk.
"It was abundantly clear that petitioners' theories of causation were speculative and unpersuasive," the court concluded in one of a trio of cases ruled on Thursday.
The ruling was anxiously awaited by health authorities and families who began presenting evidence in June 2007. More than 5,500 claims have been filed by families seeking compensation through the government's Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. The claims are reviewed by special masters serving on the U.S. Court of Claims.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...ZAcHwD96A6G980

The Wakefield controversy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy

[Rathji]

I understand that many studies have not found a link, but have there been any other studies done that have results that are close to the Wakefield study or have any findings that suggest there may be some merit in the claims made by Wakefield?

[Bagor]

Not to my knowledge.

Wakefield didn't help the argument at all with what can at least be described as a major conflict of interest and misrepresentation of data resulting in huge public mistrust of the vaccines.

[troutman]

Jenny McCarthy is causing a lot of damage.

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=390

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=363

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=478

The anti-vaccination movement was given a boost by actress Jenny McCarthy, who was convinced that vaccines were responsible for her son’s apparent autism. She was later joined in her crusade by her boyfriend, Jim Carrey. The movement had already been gaining some traction over false fears that thimerosal in vaccines (although mostly removed by 2002) was linked to autism. Such fears had already caused a drop in vaccination rates in the UK with subsequent measles outbreaks. Now these irrational fears were coming to the US, helped along by scientifically-illiterate pretty-people.

And I will say it again - if Jenny McCarthy is going to put her own “mommy instinct” before the consensus of scientific opinion, and exploit her dubious celebrity to champion anti-science, then she is going to have to take responsibility for her actions. The way I figure it, so far there are at least 68 measles cases on her tally sheet, and the number is growing.

[Bobblehead]

Now what are chiropractors going to do?

OMG, won't someone think of the chiropractors!

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by troutman

Jenny McCarthy is causing a lot of damage.

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=390

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=363

http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=478

The anti-vaccination movement was given a boost by actress Jenny McCarthy, who was convinced that vaccines were responsible for her son’s apparent autism. She was later joined in her crusade by her boyfriend, Jim Carrey. The movement had already been gaining some traction over false fears that thimerosal in vaccines (although mostly removed by 2002) was linked to autism. Such fears had already caused a drop in vaccination rates in the UK with subsequent measles outbreaks. Now these irrational fears were coming to the US, helped along by scientifically-illiterate pretty-people.

And I will say it again - if Jenny McCarthy is going to put her own “mommy instinct” before the consensus of scientific opinion, and exploit her dubious celebrity to champion anti-science, then she is going to have to take responsibility for her actions. The way I figure it, so far there are at least 68 measles cases on her tally sheet, and the number is growing.

This Jenny McCarthy "phenomenon" is truly mind-buggering. I mean come on, it's Jenny McCarthy.

"My doctor says I'm terribly anemic and should take vitamins, but I saw Carmen Electra on tv and she said vitamins cause brain aneurysms, so I threw the vitamins in the garbage."

It's the same thing.

I don't want to open up the old "they shouldn't be allowed to have kids" debate again, but...

[Tower]

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/scheibner.htm

But why listen to a Medical doctor right? Why listen to someone who created Vaccines right?

It's money. Vaccines are made and created for money. I could get more involved but most people here are so f'n pedantic/conservative and blind to most topics... Don't think for yourself or you might really learn something.

On a lighter note!!!!

I heard one man burned himself today. Lets go make fun of that in a thread......

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Tower

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/scheibner.htm

But why listen to a Medical doctor right? Why listen to someone who created Vaccines right?

It's money. Vaccines are made and created for money. I could get more involved but most people here are so f'n pedantic/conservative and blind to most topics... Don't think for yourself or you might really learn something.

On a lighter note!!!!

I heard one man burned himself today. Lets go make fun of that in a thread......

Then the Canadian Public Health Agency is in on it. They've taken over our government!

In the last century, vaccines have saved more lives than any other health intervention. The World Health Organization estimates that every year, more than two million deaths are prevented worldwide due to immunization.

Immunization is an important, cost-effective and successful public health intervention. It effectively prevents disease, improves the health of Canadians, and reduces pressures on our health care system.

Vaccines have led to the eradication of smallpox, the near eradication of polio, and the control of other diseases, including polio and whooping cough, which once maimed or killed in large numbers. The risk of exposure to these and other vaccine preventable infections remains but immunization programs keep the risk of disease at bay. Still, for continued success of immunization programs, high levels of vaccine uptake among targeted populations are necessary. When immunization coverage rates drop significantly, disease returns.

The last major outbreak of measles in Canada affected about 200 people, most of who were not immunized against the disease. When a major drop in rates of immunization against whooping cough occurred in the UK in 1974, there was an outbreak of more than 100,000 cases and 36 deaths by 1978.

http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/measur...ention-eng.php

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Tower

It's money. Vaccines are made and created for money. I could get more involved but most people here are so f'n pedantic/conservative and blind to most topics... Don't think for yourself or you might really learn something.

Pedantic/conservative? What exactly does that mean? Is it worse than vague/insulting?

Out with it then. Do you believe vaccines cause autism?

[Tower]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

Then the Canadian Public Health Agency is in on it. They've taken over our government!


http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/measur...ention-eng.php

Sounds like sanitary issues.

Ask your doctor how one gets Polio. Bet you he doesn't know.

The decrease of disease is due to proper sanitation.

[Tower]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Pedantic/conservative? What exactly does that mean? Is it worse than vague/insulting?

Out with it then. Do you believe vaccines cause autism?

I believe injecting a 2 month baby (who does not have a developed immune system) with a disease (weakened or not,) can cause many health issues.

If you are really concerned or want to know. Look up the ingredients on a vaccine. Decide for yourself if it's good enough for your child.

But don't ask questions, and just listen to your doctor, because he/she knows best.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Tower

http://home.iae.nl/users/lightnet/health/scheibner.htm

But why listen to a Medical doctor right? Why listen to someone who created Vaccines right?

It's money. Vaccines are made and created for money. I could get more involved but most people here are so f'n pedantic/conservative and blind to most topics... Don't think for yourself or you might really learn something.

http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/sal0bio-1

In 1955 Salk's years of research paid off. Human trials of the polio vaccine effectively protected the subject from the polio virus. When news of the discovery was made public on April 12, 1955, Salk was hailed as a miracle worker. He further endeared himself to the public by refusing to patent the vaccine. He had no desire to profit personally from the discovery, but merely wished to see the vaccine disseminated as widely as possible.

Flaming Lips, Race For The Prize:

Two scientists were racing
For the good of all mankind
Both of them side by side
So Determined

Locked in heated battle
For the cure that is their prize
But it's so dangerous
But they're determined

Theirs is to win
If it kills them
They're just humans
With wives and children

[Tower]

Originally Posted by troutman

http://www.achievement.org/autodoc/page/sal0bio-1

In 1955 Salk's years of research paid off. Human trials of the polio vaccine effectively protected the subject from the polio virus. When news of the discovery was made public on April 12, 1955, Salk was hailed as a miracle worker. He further endeared himself to the public by refusing to patent the vaccine. He had no desire to profit personally from the discovery, but merely wished to see the vaccine disseminated as widely as possible.

I'm supposed to be working.... This isn't helping.

I'll try finding the information about this subject but I need to get my stuff done here.

[photon]

The problem is that parents who don't vaccinate their children affect everyone because it decreases the herd immunity. Not to mention their own children are dying as a result.

[Bobblehead]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viera_Scheibner

Dr Scheibner’s analysis of them is at best sloppy, and at worst blatantly dishonest.

Dr Scheibner’s claims regarding immunisation are of the ‘all swans are white’ variety. Her scientific credibility is dependent upon her being able to defend the claim that there is "no evidence whatsoever" that vaccines are effective (all swans are white). Such a claim is easily disproven with just a single example of unequivocal vaccine efficacy (That is, by finding just one non-white swan).

http://www.skeptics.com.au/skeptic//1997/1_immunise.htm


There are huge amounts of data to support immunization.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Tower

But don't ask questions, and just listen to your doctor, because he/she knows best.

Science knows best.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Tower

It's money. Vaccines are made and created for money. I could get more involved but most people here are so f'n pedantic/conservative and blind to most topics... Don't think for yourself or you might really learn something.

Exactly! Finally someone is telling it like it is.

Vaccines are one of the biggest conspiracies perpetrated by the medical-industrial complex, and most world goverments are either turning a blind eye or actively assisting the process. And is anyone really surprised by this? How can we trust anything the medical industry has to say? The reason we don't have a cure for diseases like cancer and AIDS is because it's much more profitable to treat the symptoms over many years than it is to permenantly cure the patient.

[mykalberta]

I would never not give my kids vaccine, but to think a vaccine is perfect and has no adverse side affects to anyone in the world goes against nature.

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by Tower

I believe injecting a 2 month baby (who does not have a developed immune system) with a disease (weakened or not,) can cause many health issues.

If you are really concerned or want to know. Look up the ingredients on a vaccine. Decide for yourself if it's good enough for your child.

But don't ask questions, and just listen to your doctor, because he/she knows best.

Where would one find the ingredients of a vaccine?

[habernac]

Originally Posted by Tower

Sounds like sanitary issues.

Ask your doctor how one gets Polio. Bet you he doesn't know.

The decrease of disease is due to proper sanitation.

Let me tell you a true story about immunization ok. When I was a little boy in New York city in the nineteen-forties, we swam in the Hudson river. And it was filled with raw sewage! OK? We swam in raw sewage, you know, to cool off. And at that time the big fear was polio. Thousands of kids died from polio every year. But you know something? In my neighborhood no one ever got polio. No one! EVER! You know why? Cause WE SWAM IN RAW SEWAGE! It strengthened our immune system, the polio never had a prayer. We were tempered in raw ****! - George Carlin