Do you trade Rasmus Andersson this summer?

[dammage79]

If Andersson does move they'll have to go out and get somebody. But I'm okay with the depth given they sign Kylington to an extension.

There's still like 6 d men who've played NHL games and have just made the show in the past 2 seasons.

Weegar, Kylington, Miromanov, Gilbert, Pachal, Solovyov.

It doesn't wow you but at least there's upside.

Then you factor in Brzutewicz, Grushnikov, Kuznetsov, Poirier (biggest stretch). There's depth there. Flames don't need to do much except add on the fly as they figure who can make it and who cannot.

Moving Andersson definitely put a chink in the armor but that can be addressed if needed. Trades, signings . Just depends.

I'm guessing nothing will come of it this offseason.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If Andersson does move they'll have to go out and get somebody. But I'm okay with the depth given they sign Kylington to an extension.

There's still like 6 d men who've played NHL games and have just made the show in the past 2 seasons.

Weegar, Kylington, Miromanov, Gilbert, Pachal, Solovyov.

It doesn't wow you but at least there's upside.

Then you factor in Brzutewicz, Grushnikov, Kuznetsov, Poirier (biggest stretch). There's depth there. Flames don't need to do much except add on the fly as they figure who can make it and who cannot.

Moving Andersson definitely put a chink in the armor but that can be addressed if needed. Trades, signings . Just depends.

I'm guessing nothing will come of it this offseason.

I really doubt we'll see Gilbert back. Kylington is also a UFA, so we'll see if he comes back. It seems it's just a formality though. I wouldn't be shocked to see Brodie, Martinez or Dillon here on a short term deal as a stopgap in our top 4. Mostly so they can help a younger D work on his details.

The problem is that both Kylington and Miromanov are #5D that you hope can take a step and become a staple in the top 4.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

I really doubt we'll see Gilbert back. Kylington is also a UFA, so we'll see if he comes back. It seems it's just a formality though. I wouldn't be shocked to see Brodie, Martinez or Dillon here on a short term deal as a stopgap in our top 4. Mostly so they can help a younger D work on his details.

The problem is that both Kylington and Miromanov are #5D that you hope can take a step and become a staple in the top 4.

I think Shilly and Miro will end up being 2nd pairing guys.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Oh I get that. I think the value between 28 and 7 is more than Andersson.

I also think a team would be crazy to trade the #7 pick absent a huge overpay, the top of this draft is just too good.

But that's because we are approaching things from two different spots, the rebuild vs the retool angle.

My belief is that Calgary will not get back as a contending team with out some elite players. The best (and virtually only way) to get elite players is with high draft picks. Andersson is not an elite player and will never be one. If we wait until he is at the deadline to becoming a UFA, you can likely trade him for a late first. If you can trade him for a high pick which you can use to pick a player who might become an elite player, you jump at it.

The top half of this draft is worse than last year and two picks in the top 17 got moved last year. Picks in the top half get moved every year, regardless of whether it is a super strong draft like last year, an average to slightly above average draft like this year or a poor draft.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think Shilly and Miro will end up being 2nd pairing guys.

I hope so too, but I think they will adjust to being a top 4 D better/faster along side a guy like Weegar or Tanev, that can cover for some of the initial mistakes, be steady in the D-zone, and be vocal so that Kylington/Miromanov has an easier time playing to his strengths.

Right now they're in the same category as Zadorov for me. If you squint then they can fit into a top 4 role, but if you have both in your top 4 then you're going to be in the bottom 1/3rd of the league in xGA.

[activeStick]

So, we've had the poll up now for a while and it looks like the largest bulk of the vote is going to trading Andersson "regardless" at 41.9%. Through his interviews in the past, it's obvious Raz is very active on social media and I'm assuming also reads CP. Let's see what happens now assuming he'll see how CP feels about him and what the team should do in the next year or 2.

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Originally Posted by activeStick

So, we've had the poll up now for a while and it looks like the largest bulk of the vote is going to trading Andersson "regardless" at 41.9%. Through his interviews in the past, it's obvious Raz is very active on social media and I'm assuming also reads CP. Let's see what happens now assuming he'll see how CP feels about him and what the team should do in the next year or 2.

The argument isn't trade him because he's bad, it's trade him while we can get the best return. (At least that's how I view it)

Unfortunately it's unlikely the Flames are competitive while Rasmus is in his prime. Due to that, there isn't really a point to keep him, may as well get some assets for the right window.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Using Andersson to move up 22 spots would be a massive over payment and pure idiocy.

28th has a high probability of never even playing. 7th has a high probability of being an impact player for the next decade. Andersson has 2 years left then he's either gone or overpaid. This is a no brainer move if you actually want to rebuild.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by activeStick

So, we've had the poll up now for a while and it looks like the largest bulk of the vote is going to trading Andersson "regardless" at 41.9%. Through his interviews in the past, it's obvious Raz is very active on social media and I'm assuming also reads CP. Let's see what happens now assuming he'll see how CP feels about him and what the team should do in the next year or 2.

Hi Rasmus, I would like to know your opinion on the name Fatmus Sandwichson, which is (IMO) a top tier nick name.

[Vinny01]

With the Markstrom trade complete and hearing Conroy on Barnburner there is no doubting the direction of this team is a rebuild. While this blueline is already short legit top 4 talent Andersson represents the teams best trade chip due to his age, contract, right shot and ability to play top pair minutes.

I have a feeling the Flames will not be shopping him or entertaining moving him at the draft but I believe he should be on the table and with as much as 50% retention to maximize the value. The Flames could target Lundell, Perfetti, Zegras or other young forwards who could be on the move.

[BagoPucks]

Trade him. He deserves a shot at playing in a team that will compete in the next couple of years. He is a good 3/4 on a deep team

[Calgary4LIfe]

I have really been on the fence here, but I think the Flames should move him as his contract is very attractive. Cash in exactly the same way that the Islanders cashed-in on the Hamonic contract at the time (ugh!).


Then turn around and sign a decent defencemen off the UFA rack, or get a sweetener for taking on an overpriced but defensively decent defencemen to help Wolf and Vladar out, as the defence is already very thin.



I don't view Andersson as a core piece, but I do view him as a very excellent 'next tier' player - a very good support player. I would rather the bullets for more shots at core players, while signing someone to help fill-in the gap defensively.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

With the Markstrom trade complete and hearing Conroy on Barnburner there is no doubting the direction of this team is a rebuild. While this blueline is already short legit top 4 talent Andersson represents the teams best trade chip due to his age, contract, right shot and ability to play top pair minutes.

I have a feeling the Flames will not be shopping him or entertaining moving him at the draft but I believe he should be on the table and with as much as 50% retention to maximize the value. The Flames could target Lundell, Perfetti, Zegras or other young forwards who could be on the move.

I suspect given that they only have 3 retention spots that the Flames will be trying to move him without retention.

Not sure Winnipeg would do it but they could do

Andersson + 28 for Schmidt, Perfetti and McGroarty. Jets save 1.4 million in cap space this year and get a pick, Flames get two top prospects age 20 and 22.

Value prop is basically Schmidt + McGroarty being worth #28 and Andersson being worth Perfetti.

Jets backend becomes

Morrisey - Andersson
X - Pionk
X - X

With 15 million to spend on 6 players. More than enough space to get one more top 4 dman.
With

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

I suspect given that they only have 3 retention spots that the Flames will be trying to move him without retention.

Not sure Winnipeg would do it but they could do

Andersson + 28 for Schmidt, Perfetti and McGroarty. Jets save 1.4 million in cap space this year and get a pick, Flames get two top prospects age 20 and 22.

Value prop is basically Schmidt + McGroarty being worth #28 and Andersson being worth Perfetti.

Jets backend becomes

Morrisey - Andersson
X - Pionk
X - X

With 15 million to spend on 6 players. More than enough space to get one more top 4 dman.
With

I like that deal a lot and would even consider adding the Dallas 2nd or Pelletier to get it across the line. Winnipeg gets back in the draft and adds a top pair partner for Morrissey at a great cap hit and continues their win now approach.

The Flames get young players who are close to being able to play/breakout, and a Dman who can play top minutes and be flipped as a rental at the deadline.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I like that deal a lot and would even consider adding the Dallas 2nd or Pelletier to get it across the line. Winnipeg gets back in the draft and adds a top pair partner for Morrissey at a great cap hit and continues their win now approach.

The Flames get young players who are close to being able to play/breakout, and a Dman who can play top minutes and be flipped as a rental at the deadline.

I would add either piece you mentioned to get that deal done (but I don’t think Pelletier will be an NHL player). I was at Game 2 of the Jets Avs, bought tickets a couple hours before the game from ticketmaster. Not sure the game was a sellout, the Jets definitely need to continue to be good now in that market to keep ticket sales up. Feel like there could be business pressures to facilitate a move for a now asset.m

The Flames save the retention slot too which you would need to be able to move Schmidt at the deadline.

[Poe969]

Shop him and Mangiapane to the Sabres for 11 or him and 28 to the sens for their first.

Get another top 15 pick!

[Willi Plett]

It’s a future and business decision for me.

The return is the first key. If the market gave me a top 15 pick this year, a serviceable dman to fill a hole, that would be the anchor for a pre draft or draft deal. After that, I would be looking for a shorter contract or moving him for a 1st next year.

I like what Rasmus brings a lot, especially his team friendly attitude. Still, I need to keep accumulating picks and young players in the rebuild.