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Originally Posted by chemgear

You keep saying that in the face of multiple news reports indicating otherwise.

You said that the multiple news reports (CBC, National Post, etc.) about drug use in hospitals and the memo telling nurses to allow usage and weapons sent out by BC health region were lies in the media. That there was no memo because you didn't see yourself.

That's not what I said. I said I couldn't see the memo. Someone showed it to me and I said it was an HA memo and there was no evidence the directive came from the government or any particular ministry. Was I wrong about that?

You were wrong - which is fine, we all are a lot of time.

You haven't walked back your diversion stuff. Just saying.

And very first part of the official memo points specifically to decriminalization as to the reason for the change in direction for nurses to allow weapons and drug possession and illicit drug use in hospitals.

Yes, the HA memo said that. There (afaik) is still no evidence that that directive came from the government.

Then you dismiss the news as being just a tiny ####ty part of the province and that it's not a widespread issue at hospitals across the province.

Because it was before the additional reports came out. I'm willing to acknowledge that I didn't know how widespread it was until more reports came out.

Then further news reports of first hand accounts from nurses across the province of the state of affairs regarding illicit drugs and drug use at BC hospitals. Nurses and their union explicitly indicate that the issue has gotten progressively worse since decriminalization. It would only be logical.

That's actually a logical fallacy (correlation doesn't equal causation), so no it isn't logical.

In fact, the news is so bad that the BC government has now had form a task force this week to now decide to formally allow illicit drug use in every BC hospital.

Isn't that a good thing? The government realized there was a problem and then pivoted to a new policy.

I understand and commend the empathy for addiction sufferers. But don't you think you're being chronically stubborn/blind to some of the results of decriminalization and normalization of drug usage here?

I have consistently said that decrim and safe supply are imperfect programs, and there are ways they can be improved.

Ultimately, my concern is people dying and how to reduce that under the current reality and, so far, no one in this thread has proposed anything that realistically or theoretically offer better outcomes than these pilot programs.

If someone has those suggestions, I'm all ears.