[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I went back and checked out how the vote went down on Friday, because it was very weird. As I stated before when the votes came to me, I thought it was a scummy type play due to the timing. Squiggs and Timbo both jumped on me pretty quick, which I took to mean they were working together. At that time, it was HG who was the leading vote person, not ECF. Lego then came on to put me in the lead shortly after the Squiggs and Timbo vote.

So when I look back at it, that was the scummy time of day. Once the votes were moved to me, the fear of HG getting lynched sort of went away. At that point, the scum left the fore-front and we just got all paranoid about the shift in votes (myself included). Party ended up going to ECF, followed closely by Devo and Peanut. It's hard to say why, but it looks like the Seb vote for ECF may have been a driving factor as (at that point) Seb was as close to confirmed town as you could get with the Maz post.

In summary, I think there was a scummy move in votes on Friday, but it wasn't the move from me to ECF. There would be no reason for the scum to come out and move the votes from one town to the other, that late in the day. The real move was made to push the vote off HG, and those that participated were Squiggs, Timbo and Lego. It ended up with HG, Squiggs, Timbo, Lego and ECF on me at the end of the day, and I feel like at least two scum are in that vote. I'm still questioning HG (though he seems to be less steering so far today), but Squiggs weird behaviour so far puts him in my top two with HG.

Mrkajz has a solid point in this post. "There would be no reason for the scum to come out and move the votes from one town to the other, that late in the day."

I also have a theory about the votes on Friday. Mrkajz would have us believe that the shift to him was the work of the hosts, but I believe the shift off of him was the work of the hosts. Early on Friday myself, ECF and mrkajz were the leaders.

Originally Posted by Mazrim

Voted:
Hockeyguy15 (4): Party Elephant, mrkajz44, dissentowner, Puxlut
East Coast Flame (3): GGG, SebC, Oling_Roachinen
mrkajz44 (2): East Coast Flame, devo22
dissentowner (1): Hockeyguy15
Timbo (1): Peanut
Lego Man (1): squiggs96
Party Elephant (1): Lego Man

At that point Devo states the following.

Originally Posted by devo22

At this point I'd be somewhat comfortable with any of the top 3 vote getters, they are 3 of my top 4 scum suspects (with Lego Man being the 4th). Could switch my vote to either HG or ECF if needed to guarantee a lynch.

Of the 4, the one I'm still cautious about is HG. We are either cutting of the snake's head here or we're getting rid of a top scum hunter. My opinion of HG almost changes with every post he's making.

Then ECF takes his vote off mrkajz and puts it on bizaro, and I vote for mrkajz, and bizaro votes ECF. That puts us at 4 votes for me, 4 for ECF and 2 for mrkajz. This is essentially where the charge on votes for me and ECF ends and the votes on mrkajz start to pile on, squiggs and Timbo vote for mrkajz as well. Devo then pulls a 180 and says this.

Originally Posted by devo22

I won't switch my vote to ECF or HG at this point either. I didn't expect that kind of death post from ECF and it makes me believe that he maybe is town after all. As for HG, I like squiggs' thinking (keeping HG and Diss around for further discussion on day 4), plus it seems it's too late for a good death post as well.

I'll either keep my vote for mrkajz or switch to Lego if there's support.

Lego also votes for mrkajz and ECF puts his vote back on mrkajz, so mrkajz is now the lead vote getter.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Voted:
mrkajz44 (6): devo22, Hockeyguy15, squiggs96, Timbo, Lego Man, East coast Flame
Hockeyguy15 (4): Party Elephant, mrkajz44, dissentowner, Puxlut
East Coast Flame (4): GGG, SebC, Oling_Roachinen, bizaro86
Timbo (1): Peanut

Mrkajz says I am steering the ship again, except all I have done is put my vote onto him and gave my reasoning.

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

Squiggs, I appreciate the response, but its a bit of a bummer I'm basically getting a vote as you don't want to vote for the other candidates.

Timbo, yes I am busy at work and try to check in when I can. You'll notice most of my posts are of decent length, putting enough discussion into one post that many people don't put in 5. At this point, I think low post count isn't a great reason for a vote.

I truly think HG has pulled another fast one on the town and steered the ship again. I am worried he will continue to pop into the thread, pound out 3 or 4 points nearly in a row and turn the tide of whole conversations.

PE then takes his vote off me and puts it onto ECF. Now I'm not sure if PE or Devo is working with mrkajz, or if they are both working with him. But at the time ECF was taking some flack from people and was on the radar, I was gone camping and it seems like the heat was off me at that point.

It's interesting that PE thinks I am the most scummy, but yet he flips his vote from me to ECF rather than making a stronger case against me.

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

I've gone all the way back to Day 1 to do some digging. One thing that stuck out to me was ECF's urgency to get a vote through, regardless of who it was on. Some examples:



Devo noticed it too, and implied with this post that it didn't jive with him:



I've mentioned earlier that I think the scum's strategy has to revolve around forcing town lynches, and the best time to do that is early in the game when we're not really sure what's going on. The way ECF was posting on day 1 suggested he was nervous there would be no lynch. On day 1 there was a 14/17 chance of getting a townie with the lynch so obviously it would make sense for scum to be pushing the "Just vote, doesn't matter where but we need a lynch" agenda. The more town they can pick off early, the better their odds. In my opinion the spore is too unreliable for scum to base their strategy around it as once they send it off they have no control over who it goes to next. Hell, they might not even be using the spore at all. Just pass it around in a circle between the hosts to keep the town guessing.



Of the current frontrunners, I'm not really on board with lynching mrkajz. I don't really see enough of a strategy in his posts to think scum. In my opinion hockeyguy is the most scummy, but my recent analysis has got me thinking ECF could be scum as well. Would make sense that the two scum with heat on them collaborate to vote for the other frontrunner. I'd like to see either get lynched, so I'm comfortable moving my vote.
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vote: East Coast Flame

And IRL, hope you guys all have a great weekend! ECF, I'm jealous you're going to the Canada game. Looks like fun!

Seb comes along and explains his reason for voting ECF.

Originally Posted by SebC

Looks like some of you need a bit of persuasion.

Once again, my mason telepath knows what's up. If he's scum, I'm not the one to bust him because apparently I'm completely transparent to him.



One of the things I thought a commitment to a low-information environment would do is aggravate scum. If nobody's a target, everyone could be a target. Scum would want information so they know who to defend, and from what. This makes their job a lot tougher.

It would also make me an easy-to-justify target, after all the reasoning comes straight from the mod. I tried to subtlely move votes of activeStick because I believed him and thought it an opportunity to build town cred to offset that - to balance things enough that I don't get lynched, but still get targetted. (I thought that Mazrim's message would end that, but even in his deathpost ECF is still targeting me, and the other towniest townies.)

Two players have stuck to their guns against me on this. GGG and ECF. GGG, at least, seems to sincerely believe in what he's preaching. ECF, however, even noted that he was getting flack for being inconspicuous. I even got an emotional response out of him.



Then there's this. P#329 for context.



Why would ECF "not feel good" about lynching activeStick, then advocate lynching inactives? I think he knew activeStick was going to flip town, and wanted to distance himself.

Add in the strange death post (going after Puxlut, really?) and the unwillingness of the "town" to lynch ECF despite having likely townies leading the way and I think we might've just seen the effectiveness of limiting scum's reaction time to a day.

Devo then decides he can move his vote to ECF (changing his mind again from earlier), which flips the vote from 6-5 mrkajz to 6-5 ECF.

Originally Posted by devo22

alright, I can get behind the arguments made by Elephant and SebC. Plus ECF coming back some time after his death post to defend himself and - more importantly - move his vote to mrkajz does reek of desperation to save his life more than anything else.

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vote East Coast Flame

I'm not sure if PE or devo or both are working with mrkajz, but the vote swing was interesting. I do think it would be a pretty aggressive play to have both the other hosts sway the vote like that, but PE does say it would make sense for two hosts to work together to get the vote on another frontrunner.