[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Puxlut

Out of the 6 that have voted for Girly, 5 of them voted for Acitive. Oling, ECF, Timbo, bizaro and HG. (diss voted for HG last time)

Going with my gut. I think HG has been posting like Oling did last game. He's very persuasive and trying to lead the voting by twisting what people say to how he wants it to benefit him. I don't like being told what to do.

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Originally Posted by Puxlut

I hope that can be arranged.

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So according to Puxlut I am trying to lead the vote by twisting people words around. Though in my opinion this vote is more because I rub her the wrong way and she tends to take this game personally, like last game with Oling.

Her example of me twisting words around was when I made a comment about her voting for people who weren't in play, and asking if that was so she couldn't be connected to the lynching of passengers. She got offended by that. Knowing she is town now I have left her alone, but her second vote on me carried with it some animosity. It feels like to me she is voting more out of being pissed off with me than with her head.

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

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This vote has me questioning the direction of the group as a whole. I think we've been manipulated too easily into this very specific strategy of voting on a potential spore holder that hinges entirely on taking one poster at his word. I've already laid out how us lynching girly and investigating oling could have us come up empty handed while also losing track of the spore, as if we're even sure where it was in the first place. With the way hockeyguy is forcing the vote on girly, I have to think he's steering he group in the wrong direction.

PE first vote on me questions the direction of the group and lays it at my feet. Disagreeing with a posters opinion is fine, but it isn't usually the sole reason for voting for them.

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Posts like this are exactly why I'm suspicious of you. You just declare that a host wouldn't vote the way you voted, therefore it must be one of the people you list. Are we just supposed to gloss over the logic that got you there? It's the way you write it, like it should be a certainty to all of us that no host would vote that way, that further leads me to believe you are a host.

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Vote 2 from PE. This time says that I declare a host wouldn't vote the way I voted, like I said without a doubt that no host would be in on both lynches. I said I thought it was less likely, not that it was impossible. I was trying to think what the hosts would do and how they would vote, it seemed logical to me that they wouldn't want to be in both votes. I'm not sure why he is saying that I'm acting like it should be certainty to everyone when I didn't even say it was a certainty to me.

Originally Posted by mrkajz44

I tried to get the username mrkzatchwpfh, but it was taken unfortunately, so I had to go with mrkajz44

As for my "drive-by posts", I am quite busy at work and therefore do find it hard to find time through-out the day to post. I tend to find a lull in the day and try to make bigger posts, as I cannot check in constantly. I can see how that would be seen as "drive-by" as the conversation has usually moved on once I get a chance to check back, but that's just the nature of how my work is right now.

The more I think about it, the more I see HG as being Oling 2.0 this game. As stated before, he has a ton of posts and has a great deal of influence in where the conversation is going. It addition, I feel he's getting quite aggressive, so I wonder if a few of us are onto something:

His reply to me when I said HG might have been the beginning of the end for Girly was simply "I didn't like her reaction". I am still curious as to why HG ignored the logic of other posters, and seemed to be a bit headstrong about changing opinions. I also feel his "owning" of getting Girly lynched is a bit of a "I'm running the show, try to stop me" sort of thing:

Looking at the votes, he was both in on lyching Active and Girly, and in my opinion, quite central to both their lynching. I think the hosts would be okay with a stronger personalty such as HG get in on both votes, and even steering people in that direction. Afterwards its easy to claim "well, a host wouldn't be on both lynches of townpeople". It's a good decoy and HG's style plays right into it.

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mrkajz's vote for me, including the recycled "posts like Oling" comment that Puxlut already made. Says I ignored other people's logic which isn't true, my logic made more sense to me so I stuck to my guns. Apparently owning up to voting for Girly instead of trying to make excuses (like Diss blaming me for his vote) is seen to him as me thinking I'm invincible. I suppose that is kind of true since I'm not really worried about getting lynched, I just hope to get as much info out there before my time comes.

I was quite central to the activeStick lynch according to him, though I've posted my part in that lynch and I don't think I was the driving force behind it. Apparently it isn't as easy to claim that a host wouldn't be in on both lynches since PE, Diss and mrkajz all seem to use that piece of info to vote against me.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Ok, so like I said before, HG15 seems most suspect to me. He is participating in the game yet trying to steer attention anywhere but himself. The facts are it is early so it is super hard to get a read on anything. Oling played a brilliant game last time yet turned out to be scum but something tells me he is on the straight and narrow this time, gut feeling. SebC's posts are strange but maybe that is just the way he plays. Same with squiggs, coming out early with his vanilla comment but what to make of it? It is basically a crapshoot at this point and we still have time to figure out the voting which is why I have not voted yet. If I did it would be HG15 right now unless something changes. Or do we vote for someone not participating and lurking? Anyhow, if I was scum I would not be calling attention to myself and I would rather we not waste votes on me and hurt the passengers early on when it would be in my best interest to try and sniff out one of the bad guys.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

As I said before, at this point it is a crap shoot. I guess I just go with the gut as we are all putting in a vote.

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I lumped these 2 posts from Diss together since he didn't say much in the actual vote post. I am putting attention everywhere but myself, I still can't wrap my head around that one. That last part about don't "waste votes on me and hurt the passengers early on wheb it would be in my best interest to try and sniff out one of the bad guys" seems weird to me.

Originally Posted by dissentowner

This is an easy vote for me, I should have stuck with my original instincts. Puxlut has the same suspicions, HG is directing the game and I believe he is a host for sure. I am also suspicious of Timbo. Notice both are after me because they know I am an experienced player and therefore a threat to the scum. Go back and look at the way HG has manipulated the votes and play. Hell, he even got me caught up in it in the last vote when he assured us all GS was a host. He also has to say "since I know I am town" constantly to try and get that to stick in everyone's head.

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Vote 2 from Diss, his main driving force for voting me is because I am directing the game. Says I assured everyone Girly was a host, we in actuality I was saying she was infected with the possibility of being a host. Says I constantly say I am town, when he is just as/if not more guilty of it.

Blames me for getting caught up in the Girly vote, trying to wipe his hands clean of that one?

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Except you would not be dumb enough to draw the scum card twice and play the exact same way. I have to admit that Timbo and bizaro have thrown me for a bit of a loop with their unvotes. One could still be scum taking the attention of themselves by doing so but I highly doubt both would take off their votes if they both were. So odds are I am wrong on at least one, possibly both. I think you are scum HG but I don't think you are the Captain, too risky to be steering the ship the way you have been. I think the Captain is probably more of a lurker, he or she posts here and there but keeps to the background. I think the other host is probably the same, possibly an inexperienced player. I think the scum strategy at the beginning was to keep two active but more or less lying in the weeds and to send the strongest most experienced player to start leading the herd in the direction the scum want. A person who can talk there way out of accusations and who has gone deep in the game before. I am still really leary of Timbo, the trail still has me leaning toward scum and I think he might have unvoted to cause confusion. I have no idea about bizaro now. It is still really tough at this stage to get a good read on him or most for that matter. The only consistency to my thoughts and theories is you. I have to place my vote in what I think is best for the town. If you are lynched and flip town I made a mistake but is a lesser one than the others because whether you are scum which I believe you are, or passenger you have pushed us to two passenger lynches thus far and focusing all your efforts on a 3rd.

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And the final vote from Diss. This is pretty much just his opinion with nothing to back it up. You could almost put anyone's name in there instead of mine, it isn't exactly the most sound argument against anyone.

My point is that all of these votes against me lack any real substance, and they don't have any real effort or thought put into them. Both Diss and mrkajz seem like they are trying to come up with something so they use vague reasons and hypothetical host scenarios. PE's votes are pretty much because he disagrees with my reasoning and then either misinterprets what I said or chose to manipulate it to fit his argument. Puxlut generally seems to dislike me.