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Thor · 01-29-2015, 07:01 AM

The number of terrorist attacks if you try to put them into context by the 1.6 Billion Muslims returns a number of .0001% or something to that tiny degree. In Europe the last 30yrs 2% of terrorist attacks were related to a religious motive.

I certainly agree that there is a problem with Islam as Sam Harris keeps pointing out, there is a lot of followers who accept some pretty horrible ideas, apostasy high on that list.

However the problem is more nuanced, the areas of the world where Islam dominates is pretty backwards in general, old male dominated societies that have a desperate need for an enlightenment like Christian Europe went through. Theocracies dominate, religious schooling instead of secular schooling, where religion takes a smothering hold on everyone's daily life.

The Quran is in many ways like the Bible, and lots of people then ask, well why aren't Christians blowing themselves up?? The problem lies within the fact a lot of these nations are theocracies, 2nd and 3rd world countries, backwards places that have never had a hint of freedom, democracy and a reformation of their religion.

If we went back 300 years, Christianity would be seen as a pretty brutal religion in the eyes of modern ethics, morals and laws. Islam is in need of reform, reformation, and more importantly I think secular governments, schools, and prosperity to bring them into the modern age.

We have to keep these distinctions when we criticise Islam, because these blanket statements about Muslims are not helping, we attack the underlying issues, support people like Maajid Newaz in Britain who is one of the many out there trying to deal with these issues of modernity and old world nations who rule as theocracies, the people live in poverty and despair, and often see the west as an aggressor to their lands.

We have a our hands dirty in so many ways, as colonizers we left these places far behind the west, we used these nations in Africa, the middle east and Asia as nations which fed our prosperity and growth while the people of these nations worked in slave like conditions with no hope of improving their own lives.

I am not justifying anything, but we have to have an honest look at how we got to this point, Bernard Lewis wrote a great book on this fall for Islam, as it was once the center of science, art, music, when Europe was at that time quite backwards.

Anyways do check out Naajiid, he's a great speaker.

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Thor God of Hating Twitter Join Date: Apr 2006 Exp:	The number of terrorist attacks if you try to put them into context by the 1.6 Billion Muslims returns a number of .0001% or something to that tiny degree. In Europe the last 30yrs 2% of terrorist attacks were related to a religious motive. I certainly agree that there is a problem with Islam as Sam Harris keeps pointing out, there is a lot of followers who accept some pretty horrible ideas, apostasy high on that list. However the problem is more nuanced, the areas of the world where Islam dominates is pretty backwards in general, old male dominated societies that have a desperate need for an enlightenment like Christian Europe went through. Theocracies dominate, religious schooling instead of secular schooling, where religion takes a smothering hold on everyone's daily life. The Quran is in many ways like the Bible, and lots of people then ask, well why aren't Christians blowing themselves up?? The problem lies within the fact a lot of these nations are theocracies, 2nd and 3rd world countries, backwards places that have never had a hint of freedom, democracy and a reformation of their religion. If we went back 300 years, Christianity would be seen as a pretty brutal religion in the eyes of modern ethics, morals and laws. Islam is in need of reform, reformation, and more importantly I think secular governments, schools, and prosperity to bring them into the modern age. We have to keep these distinctions when we criticise Islam, because these blanket statements about Muslims are not helping, we attack the underlying issues, support people like Maajid Newaz in Britain who is one of the many out there trying to deal with these issues of modernity and old world nations who rule as theocracies, the people live in poverty and despair, and often see the west as an aggressor to their lands. We have a our hands dirty in so many ways, as colonizers we left these places far behind the west, we used these nations in Africa, the middle east and Asia as nations which fed our prosperity and growth while the people of these nations worked in slave like conditions with no hope of improving their own lives. I am not justifying anything, but we have to have an honest look at how we got to this point, Bernard Lewis wrote a great book on this fall for Islam, as it was once the center of science, art, music, when Europe was at that time quite backwards. Anyways do check out Naajiid, he's a great speaker. YouTube Video __________________ Allskonar fyrir Aumingja!!