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Drury18 · 09-28-2014, 07:03 PM

vote: GGG

I have no idea why a newbie and on the first day would stick their neck out like this but this struck me as odd last night and your actions today are reinforcing something. So here goes:

Dissentower mentions about revealing roles, you start it up. Looks innocent and a vet being helpful at first since we are a very newbie heavy game.

I asked where Squiggs98 is, being an inactive and trying to ensure I didn't miss something as I'm still trying to figure all of this out, you immediately vote first for him to "weed him out". No hesitation at all to jump on the inactive board player first. You followed that up with wanting to get everyone to stop voting for a lynch with a vote or two left so the dying person can give some information. And then stating you would vote for whoever didn't follow that rule and advocating for others to do so. While I don't necessarily disagree with trying to get information, I realized that in most cases, info helps the scum weed out what the town know so they know who to make blend in more and whose going to be a sacrifice. The only player who is going to reveal things of utter importance to the town is going to be the "cop" like player or someone with some special powers and then the mafia can confirm they've got a good kill. I don't see many situations where a townsperson with information is just going to sit there and wait until they are almost lynched before mentioning something. They are going to try to wave it around in other ways, not a deathbed confession so they can help the town since we are flying blind here. And this action goes along with a previous action of wanting people to reveal their cards early on. No scum is going to just walk out and slip up and say something, so this seems like a very anti-town action to gauge where we are at.

Once Squiggs was revealed, you wanted someone else to start the voting and give reasons. You, however, didn't feel the need to change your vote at that time.

Up to this point, you've just jumped on other's suggestions. Awesome way for a scum to sort of blend in while trying to turn things they way they'd like it, but have two or three people to point a finger at if it comes flying back as a bad idea. The only time you did something away from the group was to get the spotlight off Bizaro, which stands out as pretty bold.

Now that the group has made a choice and has changed direction and voting for a different but still inactive player, and a number of votes have been cast against them, you suddenly have a change of heart and change a vote and pin it on someone whose random. And this is something a number of players spoke about and decided was a bad plan as it would give the scum a better opportunity to pile on votes and confuse the town. Not even that, but your "random" (which you said would be 3, 4 or 5th person to pile on Bizaro) just happened to be the highest poster of the group. GP_Matt was 3 and has 6 posts, Oiling_Roachman was 4 and has 9 posts (almost the top poster in the thread), Baxter Renegade was 5th and has 3 posts and was gone most of the weekend and could have been another MIA to vote out. Bizaro might be town, but he's dead weight to us right now. Oiling_Roachman has some use to us as he appears to be an active scum hunter.

Voting for the least active makes sense at this point. Voting for a "random", especially one that has been relatively active and helpful for the town, makes no sense. You might also be active, but you've also started trying to complicate things.

So that leaves me with one question as to why when the group is doing one thing, you go off and do something against the group and against the general thought process. And it comes back to me as one thing: You know bizaro is scum like you and so you need to take the spotlight off. I mean the rest of us Lightness side have no clue who each other are, so voting out bizaro is what makes sense even if we do end up taking out a Lightness member. The numbers don't bode well for us especially with no info to go on, but I don't see any other Lightness members having any second thoughts about this.

What's the matter GGG? Did we put a target on a fellow scums back?

09-28-2014, 07:03 PM	#130
Drury18 Franchise Player Join Date: Apr 2003 Exp:	vote: GGG I have no idea why a newbie and on the first day would stick their neck out like this but this struck me as odd last night and your actions today are reinforcing something. So here goes: Dissentower mentions about revealing roles, you start it up. Looks innocent and a vet being helpful at first since we are a very newbie heavy game. I asked where Squiggs98 is, being an inactive and trying to ensure I didn't miss something as I'm still trying to figure all of this out, you immediately vote first for him to "weed him out". No hesitation at all to jump on the inactive board player first. You followed that up with wanting to get everyone to stop voting for a lynch with a vote or two left so the dying person can give some information. And then stating you would vote for whoever didn't follow that rule and advocating for others to do so. While I don't necessarily disagree with trying to get information, I realized that in most cases, info helps the scum weed out what the town know so they know who to make blend in more and whose going to be a sacrifice. The only player who is going to reveal things of utter importance to the town is going to be the "cop" like player or someone with some special powers and then the mafia can confirm they've got a good kill. I don't see many situations where a townsperson with information is just going to sit there and wait until they are almost lynched before mentioning something. They are going to try to wave it around in other ways, not a deathbed confession so they can help the town since we are flying blind here. And this action goes along with a previous action of wanting people to reveal their cards early on. No scum is going to just walk out and slip up and say something, so this seems like a very anti-town action to gauge where we are at. Once Squiggs was revealed, you wanted someone else to start the voting and give reasons. You, however, didn't feel the need to change your vote at that time. Up to this point, you've just jumped on other's suggestions. Awesome way for a scum to sort of blend in while trying to turn things they way they'd like it, but have two or three people to point a finger at if it comes flying back as a bad idea. The only time you did something away from the group was to get the spotlight off Bizaro, which stands out as pretty bold. Now that the group has made a choice and has changed direction and voting for a different but still inactive player, and a number of votes have been cast against them, you suddenly have a change of heart and change a vote and pin it on someone whose random. And this is something a number of players spoke about and decided was a bad plan as it would give the scum a better opportunity to pile on votes and confuse the town. Not even that, but your "random" (which you said would be 3, 4 or 5th person to pile on Bizaro) just happened to be the highest poster of the group. GP_Matt was 3 and has 6 posts, Oiling_Roachman was 4 and has 9 posts (almost the top poster in the thread), Baxter Renegade was 5th and has 3 posts and was gone most of the weekend and could have been another MIA to vote out. Bizaro might be town, but he's dead weight to us right now. Oiling_Roachman has some use to us as he appears to be an active scum hunter. Voting for the least active makes sense at this point. Voting for a "random", especially one that has been relatively active and helpful for the town, makes no sense. You might also be active, but you've also started trying to complicate things. So that leaves me with one question as to why when the group is doing one thing, you go off and do something against the group and against the general thought process. And it comes back to me as one thing: You know bizaro is scum like you and so you need to take the spotlight off. I mean the rest of us Lightness side have no clue who each other are, so voting out bizaro is what makes sense even if we do end up taking out a Lightness member. The numbers don't bode well for us especially with no info to go on, but I don't see any other Lightness members having any second thoughts about this. What's the matter GGG? Did we put a target on a fellow scums back?