BattleStar Galactica - SPOILER WARNING

[Flashpoint]

Sooooo....

I couldn't find any threads about BSG. Maybe nobody wants to talk about it. I sure do, but not with all the 14 year olds who clog the Sci Fi sites.

Anyway, did any of you notice that all the Cylons are played by Canadian actors? So if you were to guess whether or not someone was a cylon, you just look on IMDB at where they are from (one dude was born in England, but was raised in Canada - I count him as Canadian) and draw your own conclusion.

Also - THE SHOW BLOWS MY MIND!!!!

[icarus]

I don't watch the show so I don't know what Cylons are but the show is filmed in Canada. So that explains all the hired help being Canadian.

I will say though that Grace Park is hot!

[Cowperson]

The mini-series DVD from 2003 has a voice-over version of the producers and directors talking about the local talent they picked up on the Canadian side.

Its not just Cylons . . . . Colonel Tigh is a Canadian, , Chief Tyrell is a Canadian, Lieutenant Gaeta is a Canadian . . . . of course, they might be Cylons too so who knows.

Here, knock yourself out with some serious stuff.

The New York Times with a six pager on Battlestar from yesterday's paper, the re-invention of the Sci-fi genre as modern social commentary:

The New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/17/magazine/17GALACTICA.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5070&en=19da8be023561d4c&ex=1122264000&emc=eta1)

An interesting feature titled "How Battlestar Galactica killed Broadcast TV"

http://www.mindjack.com/feature/piracy051305.html

And Beliefnet.com with an in-depth look at the religious overtones of Galactica

“I think that the clash between a polytheistic culture and a monotheistic enemy helps to moderate somewhat the parallel that the show seems to draw with the current conflict between the Western world and Islamic fundamentalism,” says a reader on Televisionwithoutpity.com’s message boards. “By giving the Cylons the 'good' kind of religion and the humans the 'backward' kind, it makes the parallel less clunky and simplistic.”

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/166/story_16633_1.html

The homepage below - beware of spoilers as season 2 has already started in the USA on Sci-fi

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

Cowperson

[Flashpoint]

Canada hasn't started season 2 yet? I didn't know that. I am in Texas, so I will not spoil anything. It started here last friday.

And holy shinguard was it good!

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Flashpoint@Jul 19 2005, 09:07 PM
Canada hasn't started season 2 yet? I didn't know that. I am in Texas, so I will not spoil anything. It started here last friday.

And holy shinguard was it good!
Season 2 will start in Canada in, I think, October with 20 straight episodes.

In the USA, you'll see ten episodes, then a break with repeats, then another ten episodes.

So we'll probably catch up to you in November.

I think the season one DVD is out fairly soon but season one will be repeated in Canada in late August, early September.

Cowperson

[Mike F]

Anyone know when the DVDs for season 1 will come out in Canada? I looked on Amazon.ca but they don't have them listed.

A friend on mine is a regular in season 2 so I'm going to start watching, but I'd like to catch up on the plot and characters before it starts.

Edit: Never mind, saw Cow's answer

[Flashpoint]

Originally posted by Mike F@Jul 19 2005, 04:19 PM
Anyone know when the DVDs for season 1 will come out in Canada? I looked on Amazon.ca but they don't have them listed.

A friend on mine is a regular in season 2 so I'm going to start watching, but I'd like to catch up on the plot and characters before it starts.

Edit: Never mind, saw Cow's answer
Who is he/she? I mean character-wise? That is pretty cool!

Also - thanks very much for the articles CP! Those are all really great reads.

As to the question of Canadians being Cylons (or vice versa), it was the fact that the characters who (prima facie at least) are NOT Cylons are NOT Canadian, and all the actors who play Cylons ARE Canadian that tipped me off. I mean, if Captain Adama (sp?) was a Cylon, why would they want to shoot him? Why not just exterminate the Galactica in episode 1 (other than the fact you wouldn't have a show)? Ditto for Lee, Starbuck, and cancerous El Presidante.

As for Gaeta, Tyrell, and Tigh - one could reasonably speculate they ALL could be sleeper Cylons - given their lesser roles in the show.

Well maybe not Tigh. The booze would rust his innards.

[MolsonInBothHands]

You guys have peaked my interest, I watched BSG as a kid, but this sounds nothing like the old version... sleeper cylons?!? It would have pretty tough to disguise a cylon (or is it centurion) in the old series. I just haven't seen the channel it is on? Space?

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by MolsonInBothHands@Jul 19 2005, 10:33 PM
You guys have peaked my interest, I watched BSG as a kid, but this sounds nothing like the old version... sleeper cylons?!? It would have pretty tough to disguise a cylon (or is it centurion) in the old series. I just haven't seen the channel it is on? Space?
Unfortunately, in Canada, its not on anywhere right now but will re-appear with season one re-runs in probably late August followed by the 20 episode season two in the Fall.

In the USA, it's on Sci-Fi Channel where season two started last week.

I think the season one DVD will be out shortly, maybe later this month or early next month.

A season one primer in USA Today:

Sex, religion, politics, suicide bombers and torture are not topics always associated with science fiction, but Battlestar Galactica is not your usual sci-fi show.

The show has quickly gained fan and critical acclaim. Time magazine this week proclaimed Battlestar one of the six best dramas on TV today. TV Guide called it "24 in space."

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/ne...attlestar_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-03-31-battlestar_x.htm)

Character descriptions from season one USA Today article:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/ne...ar-lineup_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-03-31-battlestar-lineup_x.htm)

So . . . . if you want to wait and watch season one, then you might not want to read some of the spoilers contained below:

A little primer from USA Today from last week leading into Season Two:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/ne...attlestar_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2005-07-14-battlestar_x.htm)

Boston Globe article from a few days ago leading into Season Two:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/ar...ere_we_are_now/ (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2005/07/14/battlestar_goes_where_we_are_now/)

Episode guide, characters, synopsis, etc, at the home page . . .

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

I mean, if Captain Adama (sp?) was a Cylon, why would they want to shoot him? Why not just exterminate the Galactica in episode 1 (other than the fact you wouldn't have a show)? Ditto for Lee, Starbuck, and cancerous El Presidante.

Actually, this is about the third time they've tried to kill Adama. The cylon at Ragnar Anchorage in the pilot mini-series and then the cylon wearing a suicide bomber vest who blew himself up.

Adama seems to want to settle on Kobol while the religious fanatic president wants to move on to Earth. There's a conflict and perhaps the cylons favour one agenda over the other. Some cylons, but maybe not all, might want to keep this little remaining band of humanity alive as the "next step in God's Plan," a human/cylon race while others might want to exterminate the last of humanity.

Lots of stuff going on and not a lot of it is clear but its certainly interesting following the twists and turns. The season finale last year was jaw-dropping.

Cowperson

[Mike F]

Originally posted by Flashpoint@Jul 19 2005, 03:19 PM
Who is he/she? I mean character-wise? That is pretty cool!
She plays a pilot named Racetrack -- she was in the final episode of Season 1, and has filmed 8 or 9 episodes for Season 2 so far.

For those interested in the DVD's, apparently Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?CategoryID=cat02550&id=1458393&skuId=7286778&type=product) has the exclusive right to distribute the UK version of Season 1 in North America starting July 26.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Mike F+Jul 20 2005, 12:09 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike F @ Jul 20 2005, 12:09 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Flashpoint@Jul 19 2005, 03:19 PM
Who is he/she?# I mean character-wise?# That is pretty cool!
She plays a pilot named Racetrack -- she was in the final episode of Season 1, and has filmed 8 or 9 episodes for Season 2 so far.

For those interested in the DVD's, apparently Best Buy (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?CategoryID=cat02550&id=1458393&skuId=7286778&type=product) has the exclusive right to distribute the UK version of Season 1 in North America starting July 26. [/b][/quote]
She was pretty good in various states of panic and indecision in the season-ending finale . . . . . and, I might add, pretty damn hot in that flight suit in the final frames.

Cowperson

[Mike F]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Jul 19 2005, 08:04 PM
Oops. . . . was that a spoiler?

That's pretty mean CP

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Mike F+Jul 20 2005, 03:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike F @ Jul 20 2005, 03:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cowperson@Jul 19 2005, 08:04 PM
Oops. . . . was that a spoiler?

That's pretty mean CP [/b][/quote]
Hmmm . . . . you're right. Sorry, I thought you were up on the plot at least via your friend.

My apologies.

I'll alter the post above so the plot line isn't revealted to others.

Cowperson

[Flashpoint]

She is grade A cute for sure.

Good to know she doesn't get bumped off right away! Not a spoiler because maybe she DOES get bumped off right away and appears in a series of flashbacks.

[Flashpoint]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Jul 19 2005, 06:03 PM
Unfortunately, in Canada, its not on anywhere right now but will re-appear with season one re-runs in probably late August followed by the 20 episode season two in the Fall.

It is a good thing none of you guys are software pirates. If you were, you could just download the episodes from Season to from Bit Torrent. Of course that would be wrong.

[Flashpoint]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Jul 19 2005, 06:03 PM
Actually, this is about the third time they've tried to kill Adama. The cylon at Ragnar Anchorage in the pilot mini-series and then the cylon wearing a suicide bomber vest who blew himself up.

Adama seems to want to settle on Kobol while the religious fanatic president wants to move on to Earth. There's a conflict and perhaps the cylons favour one agenda over the other. Some cylons, but maybe not all, might want to keep this little remaining band of humanity alive as the "next step in God's Plan," a human/cylon race while others might want to exterminate the last of humanity.

Lots of stuff going on and not a lot of it is clear but its certainly interesting following the twists and turns. The season finale last year was jaw-dropping.

Cowperson
HERE BE (1st season) SPOILERS! PASS AT YER PERIL.

I completely agree that the finale for season one was "jaw droppingly good". The number of unexpected twists totally blew me away. From the Adama coup d'etat, to his shooting on the bridge, to the chief getting blown out of the sky over Kobal. The amount of thought that went into the setup for the start of the second season just one of the reasons I figure this is one of the best dramas on TV - sci fi or otherwise.

The machinations of the Cylons is one of the great attractions to the show. We have them seeming to want to exterminate mankind, but at the same time behaving so strangely in isolated instances. They appear to feel the need to be loved, and at times more curious than malicious. Yet, are they driving the humans somewhere, or is it just a murderous pursuit?

[Cowperson]

Its going to be hard to have a non-spoiler board discussion on this with some people having never seen season one, others who have seen the first season but not the second and yet more who are watching the second season.

By the way, Ensign Ro from Star Trek and Lucy (Xena) Lawless apparently make appearances in season two. . . . .

I'm a fan of old style "pulp" science fiction of the Ben Bova/Isaac Asimov kind, which Battlestar fits nicely into in a modern kind of way.

I haven't even seen the last two Star Wars and last few Star Trek movies and don't watch Stargate or Andromeda. Just not my thing.

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

OUCH!!!

Battlestar Galactica (Season Two) has its Canadian Television Premiere exclusively on SPACE starting on Saturday, January 14th, 2006 at 8pm EST with a repeat Sundays at 6pm EST. Season Two will air for 20 weeks in this timeslot. The series finale is schedule to air on Saturday, May 27th and Sunday, May 28th on SPACE.

Full schedule for repeat of season one in this release as well:

http://community.spacecast.com/cgi-bin/ult...ic;f=1;t=010948 (http://community.spacecast.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010948)

Naturally, this is driving people crazy. 2006?

http://community.spacecast.com/cgi-bin/ult...ic;f=1;t=010924 (http://community.spacecast.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=010924)

There's alwasy bit torrent I guess.

Cowperson

[Wookie]

Weird,

my brother dropped of the mini series about 2 months ago, didn't think much of it and let it sit in my CD wallet.

Was bored, watched episodes 1 - 9 of the 4400 in a night and still wanted more, so I popped in this mini series. I thought it was adromedra or something else, had never heard of it, remembered this thread and thought hey, I'll give it a try. Wow what a mistake, sooo good!! I finished the mini-series and went straight to my favorite torrent site and have since caught up to #5 season 2. So many wasted but enjoyed hours

Great Show,

And model 6 is sooo hot!!!

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Wookie@Aug 19 2005, 04:07 AM
Weird,

my brother dropped of the mini series about 2 months ago, didn't think much of it and let it sit in my CD wallet.

Was bored, watched episodes 1 - 9 of the 4400 in a night and still wanted more, so I popped in this mini series. I thought it was adromedra or something else, had never heard of it, remembered this thread and thought hey, I'll give it a try. Wow what a mistake, sooo good!! I finished the mini-series and went straight to my favorite torrent site and have since caught up to #5 season 2. So many wasted but enjoyed hours

Great Show,


Unfortunately, it appears I can't do the bit torrent thing at the office or at home (way too slow on the rural phone lines) so I'm hooped.

UK and Australia are also waiting into 2006 to see season two as well with a lot of :rolleyes:

And model 6 is sooo hot!!!

Model 6 is actually a farm girl from Donalda, Alberta believe it or not. . . . .

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

I just finished Season 1 on the plane home the other day.

I've GOT to find the first few episodes of season 2 (shouldn't be too difficult).


Cow - is torrent the issue, or is it your linespeed (or both)? I'm wondering if a private FTP might bypass your issue?


As an aside, is anyone looking forward to the Firefly followup movie "Serenity" as much as I am?

[Wookie]

Originally posted by Cowperson+Aug 19 2005, 10:49 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Cowperson @ Aug 19 2005, 10:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Wookie@Aug 19 2005, 04:07 AM
Weird,

my brother dropped of the mini series about 2 months ago, didn't think much of it and let it sit in my CD wallet.

Was bored, watched episodes 1 - 9 of the 4400 in a night and still wanted more, so I popped in this mini series. I thought it was adromedra or something else, had never heard of it, remembered this thread and thought hey, I'll give it a try. Wow what a mistake, sooo good!! I finished the mini-series and went straight to my favorite torrent site and have since caught up to #5 season 2. So many wasted but enjoyed hours

Great Show,

#
Unfortunately, it appears I can't do the bit torrent thing at the office or at home (way too slow on the rural phone lines) so I'm hooped.

UK and Australia are also waiting into 2006 to see season two as well with a lot of :rolleyes:

And model 6 is sooo hot!!!

Model 6 is actually a farm girl from Donalda, Alberta believe it or not. . . . .

Cowperson [/b][/quote]
http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetai...770&catid=10561 (http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10058770&catid=10561)

Buy a DVD player that plays divx What is DivX?? (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2005-30,GGLG:en&oi=defmore&q=define:DivX), and just find a freind who can use bittorrent to send you the shows. I mail to my mother in Toronto 24, lost, the 4400 and soon will be sending Battlestar, she jsut puts the disc in and watches whatever I send her

Then you just push in the DVD with the videos on it and they play, in nice quality, on your TV..

No commercials ;)

Wow, an Alberta girl? So maybe I've got a shot then?

Got season 1 of house Md.. it looks good too

[Flashpoint]

Originally posted by Bobblehead@Aug 19 2005, 12:20 PM
I just finished Season 1 on the plane home the other day.

I've GOT to find the first few episodes of season 2 (shouldn't be too difficult).


Cow - is torrent the issue, or is it your linespeed (or both)? I'm wondering if a private FTP might bypass your issue?


As an aside, is anyone looking forward to the Firefly followup movie "Serenity" as much as I am?
Yes, I can't wait for Serentiy! I have been working hard to stay away from trailers, simply because I want EVERYTHING to be a suprise.

BSG is the best show on TV right now - sci fi or otherwise IMO. I just can't get enough. I am fortunate enough to live in Tex, so I am watching season 2. Of course the downside is that you have to live in Texas - so do not envy me!

As far as the mini-series goes, I was hooked as soon as I saw it. I highly recommend watching a second time with the directors commentary on. They have 3 guys - Producer, director, and art director I think - it is really well done.

Just as an example the guy sitting in the diplomatic station at the very beginning was supposed to be a series of officers gradually getting older to show time had passed. The version in the miniseries only shows the LAST of the officers - which is why he has makeup making him look a little aged.

Yes, number 6 is an Alberta girl. Just like Eliza Cuthbert from 24! We got all the hotties! Also - you know she is a Cylon because she's Canadian. If Eliza ever shows up on BSG you know what it means...

[Cowperson]

Bit torrent is out of the question at my high speed office and also impractical at my slower than slow rural dial-up at home. I've thought of maybe looking at StarChoice's internet on my satellite so maybe that happens. We'll see.

I'll also see what my DVD player/recorder at home is capable of and maybe look at Wookie's suggestion.

The other problem is that I'm nowhere near being a techno-nerd.

I'll probably end up waiting through to January 2006 with foot tapping.

Model 6 profile under characters at Battlestar's sci-fi site - she's from the Stettler area:

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

Cowperson

[Wookie]

I'll also see what my DVD player/recorder at home is capable of and maybe look at Wookie's suggestion.

The other problem is that I'm nowhere near being a techno-nerd.

Yeah that's the benefit of that DVD player, if you have a nice good one already that doesn't play DivX files then why spend a lot on a new one, hence the cheapest model listed. As well re: techno-nerd with the DVD player you don't need to be, just pop it in. That's why I got it for my mom, she could have always watched them on her PC but it ruins the show to have to sit at a desk and a small monitor, or watch it by yourself. As well then you need to make sure you have the proper codec installed to play it on your PC.

Definitely look up the formats your present DVD player can play..

[Wookie]

Wow, episode 6 was grreat :)

[Mike F]

For those wanting to catch up on season 1 and aren't willing to wait/pay for the DVDs (or BitTorrent them :ph34r: ), I found this convenient site: Television Without Pity (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show.cgi?show=145).

It provides detailed, and often humorous, episode recaps.

Edit: Might be minor episode spoilers on linked page.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Wookie@Aug 22 2005, 12:09 AM
Wow, episode 6 was grreat :)
bas**rd!!! :angry: :( :rolleyes:

I checked last night and Dvix is persona non grata on my DVD machine so January it is for me!!

Cowperson

[Flashpoint]

Well, at least the 1st season comes out on DVD next month (Sept 20th). If you watch 1 episode every 10 days or so, it should almost get you to January! What with all the extras and such, I think it's purchase is a certainty for me.

I must confess, the past 2 episodes haven't done as much for me as previous ones in the series. Not that I can talk about it yet - I am no spoiler. Don't get me wrong, they are still really good, just not mind blowing for me.

DAMN January 2006 Canadian release date.

[Mike F]

Originally posted by Cowperson@Aug 22 2005, 06:31 AM
I checked last night and Dvix is persona non grata on my DVD machine so January it is for me!!
Cow, if you're willing to get someone to send you the DivX copies, is there some reason you can't just watch them on your computer?

DivX is a free download so you shoud have no problems if you choose that route.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Mike F+Aug 22 2005, 03:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Mike F @ Aug 22 2005, 03:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Cowperson@Aug 22 2005, 06:31 AM
I checked last night and Dvix is persona non grata on my DVD machine so January it is for me!!
Cow, if you're willing to get someone to send you the DivX copies, is there some reason you can't just watch them on your computer?

DivX is a free download so you shoud have no problems if you choose that route. [/b][/quote]
I guess I could go that route.

Now if only I had friends. :rolleyes:

Cowperson

[mykalberta]

BSG is by far one of the top 3 Sci Fi shows around.

I cant believe I have to wait that long for it to air on space. Thank the lords of CP I have access to 1.2 TB of storage and Bit Torrent.

See, this is what companies dont see, while I download the episodes I will most definately buy it when it comes out on DVD and watch the reruns on space. If the product is good, pirating is a non issue.

Another really good Sci Fi show is a show called 4400. It airs on USA so BT is the only method of transportation for us in Canada. Again its shot in Vancouver - reminds me a bit like X Files onlf the femininas are hotter.

MYK

[Cowperson]

Just sharing a momentary diversion . . . . . I don't think there are any spoilers for those who haven't seen season 2 - including me so far - in the links below.

Lucy Lawless of Xena fame will be on board in Season 2.

An interview with Lawless about the role:

http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2005/aboutcom220805.htm

And some official photo's showing her character:

http://www.lucylawless.info/battlestar-gal...1&spgmFilters=t (http://www.lucylawless.info/battlestar-galactica/images/index.php?spgmGal=Official_Photos&spgmPage=1&spgmFilters=t)

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Wookie@Aug 18 2005, 09:07 PM

Great Show,

And model 6 is sooo hot!!!
Well, look at the cookie I found for the Wookie . . . . anyone see any beautiful Cylons trooping around Banff this summer? I can't believe my brother didn't phone this in from the Icefields.

http://www.calgarysun.com/cgi-bin/publish....icles&s=leisure (http://www.calgarysun.com/cgi-bin/publish.cgi?p=98230&x=articles&s=leisure)

An addendum: This link has other Galactica story links at the bottom as well:

http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/649/649729p1.html

An interesting article here . . . a mild spoiler in this one near the end if you haven't seen any of season 2:

http://www.syfyportal.com/features.php?id=149

Cowperson

[GrinderMac]

Awesone series. I have to rate it as probably my favorite at this time. Great acting, plots, and special effects. I have seen some of the new episodes for this season and they are up to their usual high standards.

[Flashpoint]

No spoilers in this post (although it is about a season 2 episode).

Just caught the season 2 episode with Lawless in it last night (borrowed the DVD burn from a friend). I actually didn't recognize her at first - had to wait for the opening credits. She did a really nice job. There was a nice throwback to the original series as well so something to look forward to if you watched it all those years ago.

[Wookie]

Recently, I took my husband (Los Angeles entertainment lawyer Jonathan Marshall, who is from New Orleans) and his parents to Jasper to show them the Icefields. He loves Alberta!

What makes Alberta special when I travel the world?

My husband and I are building a vacation house in Alberta on a bluff overlooking the coulee right by my parents' farm. This summer, we'll rent an RV and park it on the bluff, though we probably won't break ground for two years.

Hmmm, a little to much husband talk in the article :(

[Cowperson]

Hmmm . . . . a pretty funny update.

Universal is going to release the first ten episodes of season 2 on DVD in time for Christmas . . . . and BEFORE those episodes air in Canada, Australia and the UK in January. It looks like a tactic to take advantage of the delayed schedule in foreign markets.

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=4203

Cowperson

[Mike F]

Speaking of the first 10 episodes...

I was really on the fence with this show through the first 9 episodes of season 2, but episode 10 was really, really good, and the mini-cliff hanger at the end has me looking forward to the post-Christmas resumption (don't worry -- no spoilers from me ;) ).

Of course the best part of the show is the emerging storyline of a spunky young pilot who takes delight in getting under Starbuck's skin.

[Cowperson]

FYI: Battlestar Galactica named one of the 10 Best Television shows of 2005 by the American Film Institute.

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/SHOWBIZ/Movies/12/11/afi.awards.reut/index.html

Cowperson

[nfotiu]

I was expecting the season 2 dvd's to start arriving from netflix on Dec 20th. They were in my queue with a dec 20 release date. They have since disappeared from my queue and have a release date as "unknown". I wonder what is up.

[Cowperson]

I was expecting the season 2 dvd's to start arriving from netflix on Dec 20th. They were in my queue with a dec 20 release date. They have since disappeared from my queue and have a release date as "unknown". I wonder what is up.

I know that Amazon.ca has removed them from sale.

I know that my order at Amazon.com, for shipment to Canada, is still in the que and I expect them to be shipped Dec. 20.

Basically, you can't buy them from a Canadian distributor, probably after pressure from Space Channel.

Did I hit a bingo with your situation?

Cowperson

[nfotiu]

I know that Amazon.ca has removed them from sale.

I know that my order at Amazon.com, for shipment to Canada, is still in the que and I expect them to be shipped Dec. 20.

Basically, you can't buy them from a Canadian distributor, probably after pressure from Space Channel.

Did I hit a bingo with your situation?

Cowperson

Nope! I am in the US, and Netflix is American based. I am thinking they may have pulled them from the rental places, to get more people to buy them. If that is the case, it is a gamble on their part. Without a rental option, I am on the fence as to whether I'll download them for free or buy them. I anticipate that when the dvd's hit the street, there will be dvd quality pirate versions out there, so I may just lean that way!

[mykalberta]

Anyone in Canada who is a BSG fan (as I most definatly am) downloaded the movies of BT already and already purchased the DVD from Amazon.com.

Damn space and their cheapness. If they would have just shelled out some more coin I would have actually watched them on Space and not through BT. I am still going to watch them but Space has definately lost out on this.

They need to add a hottie Brunette the the show though, the Blondes just dont cut it form me, althought the deck officer is damn cute.

MYK

[nfotiu]

To be super geeky, I am just waiting for something in better quality. I could have watched on Sci-Fi as I live in the US. But the show just looks disappointing in SD. Since it is only being shown in SD right now, there are no HD or DVD ripped torrents out there either. Universal HD showed season 1 in HD, I am not sure why they aren't this year. Oh well, DVD will have to suffice.

I wonder why they are making it so hard to watch this show???

[Cowperson]

I wonder why they are making it so hard to watch this show???

In Canada, it would be hard to imagine them going further out of their way to kill rabid enthusiasm for this show. . . . . but its the same in the UK and Australia I believe.

In January, however, they'll start, I think, on 20 straight episodes of Season 2 which will take you right into the summer.

Cowperson

[Flame On]

(Non spoiler)
So who's up with the show? I've seen up to episode 212 going by the episode guide on their website.
I just wanna talk about it. It's such a good series and no signs of weakening. Cow Person have you been able to catch up with it?
Highlight the following to discuss if you are up to date:
I love the whole support ship filled with cylons that they use to regenerate. The Admiral Kane resolution was awsome and so tense when the dual assasination plots were running. Anyone think that Apollo had a cylon "soul"; for want of a better term, enter him after he died in the ejection seat nearby the resurection ship as it was being destroyed?
Can't wait for each show!!!

[Canada 02]

I totally agree! Episodes 10 thru 12 had me on the edge of my seat. Great storytelling, great acting.
**SPOILERS BELOW** - highlight to read

Michelle Forbes was really good as Kane. Disappointed that she died since she was a great force or counterbalance to Adama.
Thats an interesting theory on Apollo.
I wonder if any other cylon sleeper agents in the fleet were suddenly alerted to the distruction of the resurection ship the way Gina and Boomer knew the ship was destroyed. Is that why Duala was acting weird at the end?

[Cowperson]

I've got the DVD up to Episode 10 of season 2.0 but haven't seen episodes 11 or 12 of season 2.5 like yourselves. Stupid Space Channel. They're just starting to show Season 2.0 in Canada. They also put it up against HNIC on Saturday nights.

FYI - this was in The National Review in America yesterday (safe to read if you're worried about spoilers):

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/suderman200601200838.asp

And Katee Sackhoff hates cigars.

http://www.dailyastorian.info/main.asp?SectionID=15&SubSectionID=789&ArticleID=30374&TM=42638.48

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

Seeing that Space started season 2 last week reminded me I got behind in my watching. I've watched up to S2Ep4, how far are they released on BT, and anyone have a good torrent?(PM me)

[Mike F]

Seeing that Space started season 2 last week reminded me I got behind in my watching. I've watched up to S2Ep4, how far are they released on BT, and anyone have a good torrent?(PM me)
I've somehow watched up to season 2, episode 12, however soliciting links to copyright material, even by PM, in a no-no on this board and is grounds for Moderator finger shaking and possibly temporary bannination.

Don't make Kevan Guy angry. You won't like him when he's angry.

[Antithesis]

It actually sounds as if some of my Ralph money is going to go towards getting my hands on a copy of the miniseries and season 1. Might just try and rent the mini from the nearby Blockbuster though.

[Canada 02]

After watching E13 highlight below and tell me if you had the same thought during this scene

President Adar and Roslin = President Clinton and Lewinsky
she was even wearing a purple dress! Hilarious!

[Cowperson]

Chicago Tribune today says the Season 2.5 Battlestar Galactica finale is outstanding.

There are some mind-bending plot twists in “Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 1 and Part 2” (the second installment airs March 10), but what’s most impressive about both episodes is how they gracefully manage to convey a sense of elegiac foreboding. The direction, the cinematography, the empathic and original music, the acting and the stories all combine to create a kind of suspenseful poetry, and make the case that, right now, “Battlestar Galactica” is the best show on television.

To top all that off, the revelations that unfold at the end of the 90-minute March 10 episode are truly out of this world.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2006/03/battlestar_ends.html

Canadian fans watching Space, of course, are about 13 weeks away from the season finale so I made a point of not reading to deep into this!!!

Thought those watching in the USA or "other" sources might find it interesting though, hence this post.

Cowperson

[Flashpoint]

Ohhh yeah! I frequently expect dissapointment in my life. Such is the lot of a long suffering Flames fan. But every friday I can go home, turn on BSG, and honestly say every episode is better than the last.

(don't worry, no spoilers ahead) Season 2 has totally blown my mind. From the Pegasus to the darker direction for Lee Adama, to Xena Warrior Cylon, I have loved every minute of it.

About the only thing I don't like that the BSG folks have done so far was release the first 10 episodes of season 2 on DVD. Nothing but a cash grab, and I hear the extra features are pretty thin. I'll be waiting for the full set of season 2.

It never ceases to amaze me how you build up expectations for a certain type of episode (In space, on the Galactica) with certain characters (Starbuck, Adama, Apollo), and all of a sudden they slip in an episode that occurs on Caprica from a Cylon perspective without any main characters. And yet, you still fall in love with the protagonists over the course of the episode.

Question - When #6 said there were 12 models of Cylon, do you think it was including the mechanical units? The raiders? Perhaps even the base stars?

Supposing that it was referring to the "human like" models, how many are we up to now? I count 6 (although I won't name them) "outted" in 2 seasons + the miniseries. At the current rate they are going through them, it won't be long before the viewer has a handle on who is a toaster and who isn't.

Then again, maybe #6 was lying.

Or they have more models now.

Or Baltar misunderstood it.


I hope they hold off the reveal until the final episode. Keep the audience guessing as long as possible. I suppose at the end of the day, that is what I really love about the show. You just don't know what is going to happen. Main characters die. Allegences shift. Settings change.

A revolution in sci fi.

So say we all.

[Cowperson]

In Canada, Xena's (Lucy Lawless) episode is up next I believe . . . .

Regarding the Cylon's, I think there is the pure mechanical variety, the half mechanical/half organic variety (the raiders) and then the 12 models which look and act human.

Cowperson

[BlackEleven]

Question - When #6 said there were 12 models of Cylon, do you think it was including the mechanical units? The raiders? Perhaps even the base stars?

Supposing that it was referring to the "human like" models, how many are we up to now? I count 6 (although I won't name them) "outted" in 2 seasons + the miniseries. At the current rate they are going through them, it won't be long before the viewer has a handle on who is a toaster and who isn't.



I was wondering about the same thing. I'm assuming they mean the human-like ones and I'm also assuming there are twelve of them, until I hear otherwise. I also count six -- three male and three female.

[Flame On]

Thought those watching in the USA or "other" sources might find it interesting though, hence this post.
Cowperson
You better believe I'm interested! I'm currently on 17 and have 18 to watch.
They have all been great. Some focusing on the bigger picture some more close up to fleet life or politics.
Can't wait for that double epi!

[Mike F]

Just watched 19, and I have to say that this show is so much better when Starbuck isn't on screen. She's just such an uninteresting character IMO, and manages to annoy me constantly.

Hopefully the season ender lives up to the hype, because the penultimate episode wasn't as good as some of the other recent episodes (18 was very, very good IMO).

For one thing, Racetrack comes across a pretty big discovery and (much to my dismay) is completely underwhelming in her response.

And as for the Ep. 19 cliffhanger (spoiler-hiding Invisotext on) -- It's poor, unimaginitive writing for them to show up on Caprica, just happen to run into all of the refugees in the middle of the woods, who just happen to be being chased by Cylons, who pin the whole lot of them down. . . . until next week.

[Canada 02]

Just watched 19, and I have to say that this show is so much better when Starbuck isn't on screen. She's just such an uninteresting character IMO, and manages to annoy me constantly.
Agree and disagree. She's a developing character with emerging depth. I think she is very important to the plot, for reasons other than the obvious.
Hopefully the season ender lives up to the hype, because the penultimate episode wasn't as good as some of the other recent episodes (18 was very, very good IMO).18 was insane!, 19 wasn't as good, but had countless juicy nuggets. It was the lit fuse before the explosion in the final ep.

[GrinderMac]

BSG is the best series on tv...bar none. Great acting, plot, and special effects. They are airing this season's finale in the states now. Part 1 was great and there promises to be a shocking cliff hanger to end this seasons run.

[Cowperson]

Just watched 19, and I have to say that this show is so much better when Starbuck isn't on screen. She's just such an uninteresting character IMO, and manages to annoy me constantly..

You're not gonna like this then . . . . . Nebula Award writing nominations for two of Starbuck's biggest character development episodes.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=5&id=34761

The episodes in question:

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/104/

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/episodes/season01/105/

Cowperson

[Mike F]

You're not gonna like this then . . . . . Nebula Award writing nominations for two of Starbuck's biggest character development episodes.
Well, I never expected it to a a universal opinion, but just a personal observation. That being said, those episodes came from early in season one, which was before I started watching. So it is entirely possible that the writers just did an admirable job of developing her into a character that turns me off.

[Cowperson]

I've seen some people say the SIX/Baltar scenes are completely worthless while loving the rest of the show . . . . and other odd combinations or opinions, including Boomer being described by one otherwise glowing reviewer as the "scared bunny act."

There's lots of characters, lots of story lines and more opportunity to love or hate aspects of each.

My sister-in-law was bawling at the end of "You Can't Go Home Again."

Starbuck travelling off into the wilderness in a humvee with Helo and running into "The Resistance" had my eyes glazing over for awhile, although I did like the hospital episode. Haven't seen the episode yet where they go back and hook up with the Resistance again but it seems like a bit of a distraction.

Cowperson

[Mike F]

Yes, it's definitely to each their own -- personally the SIX/Baltar scenes are always amongst my favorites (no spoilers, but it takes a great twist in ep. 18).

The most important thing, as you said, is that there is enough going on that I can still enjoy almost every episode despite not being able to stand one main character.

[Cowperson]

Yes, it's definitely to each their own -- personally the SIX/Baltar scenes are always amongst my favorites (no spoilers, but it takes a great twist in ep. 18).

The most important thing, as you said, is that there is enough going on that I can still enjoy almost every episode despite not being able to stand one main character.

Did you see the war in the reader comments at the bottom of that Chicago Tribune story I posted . . . .? Some amusing reading.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2006/03/battlestar_ends.html

Cowperson

[GrinderMac]

With apologies to all the Ginophobes I like the new BSG. I was also a fan of the OS. I have no problem with them spicing up the characters, changing their gender, and sexing it up a bit. The acting is far superior to the original as is the plot and special effects.

[Cowperson]

With apologies to all the Ginophobes I like the new BSG. I was also a fan of the OS. I have no problem with them spicing up the characters, changing their gender, and sexing it up a bit. The acting is far superior to the original as is the plot and special effects.

As someone noted, there probably has never been the kind of mania of hatred towards a new series, based on an older version, in television or even movie history as we see between fans of the old series and those of the new one.

The vitriol, nipicking and depths that this has gone to across the internet has been stunning . . . .

And that's with Richard Hatch, an earlier leader of the anti-new-BSG movement, on board and a principle character in the new series.

Cowperson

[Mike F]

Did you see the war in the reader comments at the bottom of that Chicago Tribune story I posted . . . .? Some amusing reading.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2006/03/battlestar_ends.html

Cowperson
They seem quite upset by the masturbation.

[Cowperson]

They seem quite upset by the masturbation.

Yes. This entire "wholesomeness" objection - not just that but a lot of other things as well - is pretty surreal as though you ran into a closet "moral majority" chapter in a clubhouse that has always been crawling with Space Babes like Seven Of Nine.

Personally, I thought that Baltar scene was absolutely hilarious. I can't imagine how Sackoff kept a straight face when they were filming it.

Cowperson

[RT14]

I gotta say, I was very hesitant to give this show a try given how dissapointed I've always been with Sci-Fi space shows, but I have been blown away by this. Great special effects and storyline and for the most part great acting (although Starbuck can get on my nerves sometimes).

I consider myself one of the lucky ones who found this show late and downloaded (if I could buy it I would, but to everyone's surprise...it's not a big hit in China) all of season 1 and half of season 2 after watchin just one episode allowing me to watch most of it without waiting a week between each episode.

If you haven't seen it yet, you're luckier than I, because you get to see the first 2 seasons without breaks. Amazing show! Really not looking forward to waiting for season 3.

[Mike F]

Season 2 is in the books for me!

The season finale didn't knock my socks off, unfortunately. It lived up to the hype in terms of taking a big twist, but IMO they tried to pack too much into the final episode. Even though it was 90 minutes, there was so much packed in that it was bang-bang-bang -- all payoff with no setup so the twists didn't have much of an impact. Had they told this story arc over three or four episodes it would have been outstanding, but alas. . . .

Some vague teasers for those waiting, and possibly a jumping off point for hidden discussions for others who have watched it:

Military incompetence by Starbuck
Another Cylon model revealed
Much naked cavorting by fine looking females
Political shenanigans
A big bang
One year later
Is Adama a porn star?
Crappy new digs
The set-up for next year

[Bobblehead]

OK, before I read this thread; I just watched ep.12, how many more in the season?

[oldschoolcalgary]

excellent idea for a thread!

BSG really made a believer out of me...I had followed some the early development news on various movie websites and wasn't too sure if it was going to be good (remember that ridiculous robot dog? Moppet?)...Anyhow, after checking out the mini-series, it was really quite good and only got better with the series.

Hopefully, its audience will continue to grow so that we can be ensured of a number of seasons to follow...and when they do find earth, hopefully the writers will leave the "flying motorcycles" behind...

[Fire]

You guys got me intrigue. I'm downloading all the episodes as I type. I can't find the miniseries as of yet though.

[Mike F]

OK, before I read this thread; I just watched ep.12, how many more in the season?
Ep 20 was the finale for season 2

[Tower]

Okay I have seen 3 eps and not all the way through... I was about to make fun of all of you (in a nice way), but then I remembered... We are on a forum dedicated to the greatest game on earth. So I'd be making fun of myself in a way too.. lol. All I can say is that Asian Cylon is freaking HOT!!! Shwing!

[Tower]

Oh and in the BSG the first series - Starbuck looked like a woman....

[Canada 02]

The season finale didn't knock my socks off, unfortunately. It lived up to the hype in terms of taking a big twist, but IMO they tried to pack too much into the final episode. Even though it was 90 minutes, there was so much packed in that it was bang-bang-bang -- all payoff with no setup so the twists didn't have much of an impact. Had they told this story arc over three or four episodes it would have been outstanding, but alas. My exact impression as well. Maybe if there were commercials to hold the suspense in between scenes :ph34r:. If they had extended it to at least two hours, it would have helped a lot - maybe the DVD will have deleted scenes or directors cut or whatever 'cause it sure seemed like some of the buildup was missing - nevertheless, it was awesome TV. The new developments blow my mind, and the acting by pretty much everyone, especially Mary McDonnell and James Callis is surely deserving of some award. I can't believe I'll have to wait til October to see what happens next.

[Flashpoint]

Just finished watching episode 20 last night. (no spoilers)

Totally blew my fracking head off. It was really that good. Once again the show defies convention and heads off into uncharted territory - and yet somehow pulls it off.

Love the new Cylon model btw. Nice work.


What episode is Canada up to? I want to talk about this stuff, without worrying about ruining it for others!

As for Episode 19? I too was dissapointed (slightly) with what I saw as sort of a cliche cliffhanger. But 20 seemed to tie it all back together quite nicely.

[Hakan]

I just downloaded the first 4 episodes and this thread was bumped in the middle of me watching the first episode for the first time. Interesting.

Anyway, quick question, I have the episode titled season 1 episode 1 but it says "previously on Battlestar Galactica" and shows a whole other episode. Is there a pilot out there that I'm missing or something?

Also, is there a season 1 and season 2 dvd out yet?

[Cowperson]

Just finished watching episode 20 last night. (no spoilers)

Totally blew my fracking head off. It was really that good. Once again the show defies convention and heads off into uncharted territory - and yet somehow pulls it off.

Love the new Cylon model btw. Nice work.


What episode is Canada up to? I want to talk about this stuff, without worrying about ruining it for others!

Canada will be watching the appearance of Pegasus on Saturday, the season 2.0 cliffhanger.

Basically, we're 11 episodes behind with Season 2.5 starting next week.

I am sad.

If you're inclined, I would suggest you start a Season 2.5 Spoiler Thread if you want and keep this as a non-spoiler thread.

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

I just downloaded the first 4 episodes and this thread was bumped in the middle of me watching the first episode for the first time. Interesting.

Anyway, quick question, I have the episode titled season 1 episode 1 but it says "previously on Battlestar Galactica" and shows a whole other episode. Is there a pilot out there that I'm missing or something?

Also, is there a season 1 and season 2 dvd out yet?

There is a mini-series which lays the groundwork for the entire thing, from peace to war - about 3.5 hours long. You can probably rent it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00064AFBE/103-3631684-4671021?v=glance&n=130

Cowperson

[Flashpoint]

There is a mini-series which lays the groundwork for the entire thing, from peace to war - about 3.5 hours long. You can probably rent it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00064AFBE/103-3631684-4671021?v=glance&n=130

Cowperson

You must watch the miniseries first. It lays the groundwork for the whole show.

[Flashpoint]

Canada will be watching the appearance of Pegasus on Saturday, the season 2.0 cliffhanger.

Basically, we're 11 episodes behind with Season 2.5 starting next week.

I am sad.

If you're inclined, I would suggest you start a Season 2.5 Spoiler Thread if you want and keep this as a non-spoiler thread.

Cowperson

Don't be sad. You have 11 kick ass episodes to look forward to! Ahh Pegasus...the memories. So many questions regarding that ship.

[Hakan]

Does the miniseries begin with them running from the Zylons and some blond girl talking to some weird british guy?

[Cowperson]

Does the miniseries begin with them running from the Zylons and some blond girl talking to some weird british guy?

No.

The mini-series begins with a blond chick (Six) walking down a corridor on a space station and asking a human negotiator:

"Are you alive?"

The next scene is one of peace . . . . humanity hasn't seen or heard from the Cylons for 40 years.

http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/miniseries/index.shtml

Cowperson

[Flashpoint]

Does the miniseries begin with them running from the Zylons and some blond girl talking to some weird british guy?

No. It opens with a human ship arriving at a space station, and a text overlay of the history of human/cylon relations. Then #6 (tall, blond, wears red, you'll know her when you see her) walks on screen, kisses the human, and...things sort of go from there...

[oldschoolcalgary]

well, thought i'd restart this thread after last night's episode (part 2 of 3 of the Pegasus arc).

Fantastic is all I can say - very "I, Claudius" in terms of its backroom dealing and political machinations...

Just ordered the first season on DVD - looking forward to catching the episodes I missed...

[CaramonLS]

well, thought i'd restart this thread after last night's episode (part 2 of 3 of the Pegasus arc).

Fantastic is all I can say - very "I, Claudius" in terms of its backroom dealing and political machinations...

Just ordered the first season on DVD - looking forward to catching the episodes I missed...

That scene right at the end, amazing teaser for the next episode.

[Flashpoint]

So what of Admiral Cain?

Is this woman a monster? Or a warrior doing what she has to in order to survive? Is she the person to make the hard decisions for the good of mankind? Or just a madwoman bent on revenge for the destruction of the Colonial fleet?

Or worse yet a Cylon? Part of some unknown plan, which does not call for the immediate destruction of all humans? The Pegasus appears to be in fine fighting trim - well armed, sophisticated, and fully staffed. How is this possible? Galactica was spared in the inital Cylon attack because its systems weren't networked. Cain indicated she made a blind jump to flee the attack. Her first officer indicated they had seen combat where she shot her own XO in front of the bridge staff.

She claims her goal is the liberation of the Colonial homeworlds from the Cylons. How can she think this is a possiblity with only 2 battlestars and a population of merely 50K?

Or is her goal more realistic than that of Adama and Rosaline? Who are following visions and scripture to a mythical planet - location unknown.


A great new character.

[CaramonLS]

If you aren't in the middle of watching BSG right now, you better do it tommorrow!

Great episode so far.

[Flame On]

For those that have seen episode 20, highlight the following text to discuss:
Wow what a mind blower of a season clincher! Don't know what any of them are going to do! Have the cylons turned over a new page and are nicer? Did the cylon that exploded the nuke know what she was doing, in terms of attracting the cylon fleet to the world? Where's Adama going to go with so few crew or people and what's the point!? Too many questions and the series can't return fast enough.

[CaptainCrunch]

Just watched Resurection Ship part II, and I have to admit, I certainly didn't see that ending coming.

What a terrific show, almost makes me want to break out the original series so I can laugh at how cheesy it was.

[CaramonLS]

Just saw the one this weekend.

What is going to happen with Baltar, does Laura remember what she was seeing in that vision? Does she remember that he was making out with that cylon?

[oldschoolcalgary]

it sure looked like she remembered Baltar...nice to see Colm Feore (sp) in the episode (he was in the Chronicles of Riddick and the Trudeau miniseries).

Simon Frazer University looked great - in winter though, I hear they have a higher number of suicides because of the rain and fog (the University is on top of a mountain)...

[Cowperson]

Just watched Resurection Ship part II, and I have to admit, I certainly didn't see that ending coming.

What a terrific show, almost makes me want to break out the original series so I can laugh at how cheesy it was.

Resurrection Ship Part II was pure poetry . . . . . awesome episode. Lee Adama losing the sunglasses and sliding under the water . . . .

Dana Delaney last week played her part well, and once again you are stuck trying to decide if the bad guys are really villians after all.

The Scar episode was good but I have to agree with Mike F's observation earlier that Starbuck's character is getting annoying as the season wears on.

I know a mother who was crying when there was no obvious, clear resolution to the child trafficking in "Black Market."

Canada will see the new commander of the Pegasus this Saturday.

Here's David Eick on season 3 . . . . . no spoilers here in his comments for those on the Canadian viewing schedule:

http://www.ifmagazine.com/feature.asp?article=1482

Also,

Battlestar and Dilbert:

https://byyourcommand.net/photogallery/Battlestar-Galactica/BSG

Battlestar in Rolling Stone:

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/9183391/intergalactic_terror/

And yet another cartoon reference to Galactica

http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=139432154&size=o

Battlestar will have its own comic book series:

http://www.newsarama.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=62040

A bit of a controversy as to whether or not these Battlestar cartoons are racist or not:

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ba/2006/ba060406.gif

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ba/2006/ba060407.gif

http://images.ucomics.com/comics/ba/2006/ba060408.gif

Funny reference to Battlestar in the Calgary Herald a few weekends ago under when local bigwigs were asked for their "guilty pleasures," the 30 something female head of the Banff Film Festival gave a rousing endorsement of Battlestar Galactica.

Also, Rob Kerr, erstwhile hockey host at FAN 960, listed Battlestar Galactica as his favourite show in the Calgary SUN a couple of weekends ago.

Also, Dennis Haysbert, who used to be president Palmer in 24, likes BSG and would like to appear in the show.

Quote:

OK, so what shows, besides 'The Unit', are you watching now?
That's really hard to say. I really do enjoy 'CSI.' 'CSI' is, for a procedural show, a very, very compelling show. I love 'Six Feet Under,' although that's no longer on.

And your favorite?
One of my favorites -- because I'm a big sci-fi buff -- I really enjoy 'Battlestar Galactica.' I'd really like to do a [story] arc on that one of these days, just to walk around on the set. It's so dark, so gritty, and the realism for a science fiction show -- I mean, you know it's not real -- but the way they play it is so real. And there's a compelling story line. I'd have to put that on the top of my list. That's actually on my TiVo season pass.

Dennis Haysbert full interview <http://television.aol.com/news/tv_tattler_celebrity_interviews/dennis-haysbert>

Cowperson

[CaramonLS]

VP Baltar had a great ambush on this episode.

[Ayrahb]

And Beliefnet.com with an in-depth look at the religious overtones of Galactica

“I think that the clash between a polytheistic culture and a monotheistic enemy helps to moderate somewhat the parallel that the show seems to draw with the current conflict between the Western world and Islamic fundamentalism,” says a reader on Televisionwithoutpity.com’s message boards. “By giving the Cylons the 'good' kind of religion and the humans the 'backward' kind, it makes the parallel less clunky and simplistic.”

Cowperson

You forgot to quote the part about the Mormons. I personally find the South Park Mormons episode to be a much better Church of LDS primer than BSG.:D

[Canada 02]

TV Guide interview with BSG exec. David Eick, including some tidbits on season 3

http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700002601

[BlackEleven]

^^ Great interview. Thanks for posting that.

Man, I'm pumped for the next season. I'm such a nerd :ph34r:

[oldschoolcalgary]

another article about BSG in the Globe and Mail:

In the months after 9/11, the war on terror was raging — a military offensive in Afghanistan, nuclear plants on alert, a Passover suicide bombing, an armed standoff in Bethlehem and Homeland Security's new colour-coded terrorism scares.


Amid this chaos, the U.S. Sci-Fi Channel announced they were reviving the seventies cult favourite Battlestar Galactica.



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060605.battlestar05/BNStory/Entertainment/home

It just won a Peabody Award, so i think it'll just pick up steam from this point on...now, if they'd only set a release date for the Season 2.5 DVD set...

[cSpooge]

another article about BSG in the Globe and Mail:



http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060605.battlestar05/BNStory/Entertainment/home

It just won a Peabody Award, so i think it'll just pick up steam from this point on...now, if they'd only set a release date for the Season 2.5 DVD set...

not idea... but the good thing is Space is showing BSG in october.. none of this wait a ****ing year BS they pulled this year.

[Cowperson]

A Sci-Fi Channel promotional preview clip of Season 3 is at this link . . . I don't think there's anything really "spoilerish" in it.

http://archive.blogsome.com/2006/07/02/like-god/

It seems to confirm that, while the ending to season 2 caused some controversy among BSG fans, it might also open up some intriguing story lines in season three.

I'd love to see Leoben interrogating Starbuck as one example. I wonder how fat Lee Adama is going to get. How crazy is Boomer going to get when she finds out her baby is still alive? Lucy Lawless is signed for ten episodes . . . . one can't help but think we'll see a serious fracture in Cylon society, maybe even a civil war. The comments in the clip above are clearly a present day allusion to America forcing the alleged benevolence of democracy on people unaccustomed to it (dirty leftist *******s!!).

A "Dualla" interview looking at her character in Season three . . . . . again, I don't think anything in here will spoil your day.

http://community.livejournal.com/open_com/15387.html

I think Sept. 19 is the release date for the Season 2.5 DVD with season three on Space in Canada starting sometime in October.

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

I'm sooo ****ed at BSG.

I caught most of the episodes but not the last 4 or 5.
I saw BSG Season 2.0 on at Best Buy so I bought it. It was only half the !$@# season. The only way to figure that out is on the outside of the box it says in one spot the "running time" which is 7H and a few minutes. NOWHERE did it mention the number of episodes, or that it was only half the season. That is totally misleading, and since I opened the packaging they won't accept a return. I will, from this point on, only get BSG from 'alternate' sources. I feel I was deceived, and I believe it was intentional.

[nfotiu]

I'm sooo ****ed at BSG.

I caught most of the episodes but not the last 4 or 5.
I saw BSG Season 2.0 on at Best Buy so I bought it. It was only half the !$@# season. The only way to figure that out is on the outside of the box it says in one spot the "running time" which is 7H and a few minutes. NOWHERE did it mention the number of episodes, or that it was only half the season. That is totally misleading, and since I opened the packaging they won't accept a return. I will, from this point on, only get BSG from 'alternate' sources. I feel I was deceived, and I believe it was intentional.

It wasn't really confusing (not quite as confusing anyway) at the time it was released, as it was released right before season 2.5 started. Season 2 was kind of 2 seasons anyway with such a large gap between airings. It was unprecedented to release a dvd before the complete season was over. I think they are making more money from the dvd than they are airing on SciFi

[Bobblehead]

It wasn't really confusing (not quite as confusing anyway) at the time it was released, as it was released right before season 2.5 started. Season 2 was kind of 2 seasons anyway with such a large gap between airings. It was unprecedented to release a dvd before the complete season was over. I think they are making more money from the dvd than they are airing on SciFi

It wasn't available for sale in Canada until season 2 was complete (late May). Hence, since it wasn't available until after the season was complete, I figured the release hold up was so all the episodes would be aired before sale.

[oldschoolcalgary]

^yeah, that was a bit of a ****er wasn't it?

Well, it looks like they are finally going to release the season 2.5 now - haven't seen it in stores yet, but the announcement that its in pipeline is there...

Really interested to see what happens next year...great show - hopefully, when they do find earth, they won't be flying around on those flying motorcycles in the original series:ph34r:

[Cowperson]

It wasn't available for sale in Canada until season 2 was complete (late May). .

FYI, for future reference . . . . . I ordered BSG Season 2.0 from Amazon.com - USA - long before the season ended in Canada.

Cowperson

[Super-Rye]

Anyone know when the second 1/2 of season 2 is coming out on DVD?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Anyone know when the second 1/2 of season 2 is coming out on DVD?

amazon says sept 19...just in time for season 3

http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000GFLEAO/sr=8-1/qid=1152256776/ref=pd_ka_1/701-6761894-5425962?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=gateway&v=glance

[Bobblehead]

FYI, for future reference . . . . . I ordered BSG Season 2.0 from Amazon.com - USA - long before the season ended in Canada.

Cowperson

Yeah, but I had heard they wouldn't ship up here?

Since the US season half complete before the Canadian one began, I didn't question that the entire season would be available as soon as the Canadian season ended.

[Cowperson]

Yeah, but I had heard they wouldn't ship up here?

Since the US season half complete before the Canadian one began, I didn't question that the entire season would be available as soon as the Canadian season ended.

I had the first half of Battlestar Galactica shipped to me via Amazon.com long before the full season was completed on Space . . . . . in fact, before the first half of Season 2 was completed on Space.

It was only embargoed at Amazon.ca, the Canadian Amazon site.

On another matter, I've got my dibs on the coming release of a sci-fi book on the USA site that isn't being offered on the Canadian site yet.

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

I had the first half of Battlestar Galactica shipped to me via Amazon.com long before the full season was completed on Space . . . . . in fact, before the first half of Season 2 was completed on Space.

It was only embargoed at Amazon.ca, the Canadian Amazon site.

On another matter, I've got my dibs on the coming release of a sci-fi book on the USA site that isn't being offered on the Canadian site yet.

Cowperson

Interesting.
I was once told that if the same product was offered on both Amazon.ca and Amazon.com, that .com wouldn't process the order, you would be told to go through .ca (and be subject to any delays/copyright issues)

It is good to know that it is still possible to get the order. I guess the worst they would say is no, so I should have tried. Thanks Cow.

[Cowperson]

FYI - The season three opener of BSG will be a two hour movie . . . .

Also, the link below is a new TV Guide article that contains plot lines for the coming season . . . . . I would describe the article as illuminating but not necessarily revealing . . . .the information might qualify as spoilers if you're the kind of person who wants to know absolutely nothing about the coming season . . . . . it didn't wreck my day to read it, just made me a little more antsy to see things unfold.

http://www.lucylawless.info/articles/2006/tvguide0706/

Another link . . . . . Jamie Bamber (Apollo) with a few paragraphs about his girlfriends, BSG writing and plot lines . . . . didn't see any spoilers of any consequence here.

http://community.livejournal.com/open_com/15783.html#cutid1

And season three still images you can click on to enlarge at this link:

http://mboard.scifi.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=1985702&an=0&page=0#1985702

Cowperson

[Canada 02]

BSG Season 3 Trailer ***Spoilers (Obviously)***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_ccvhY5-I&search=battlestar%20galactica%203

A high-res version you can download courtesy of some dude on TWOP (right click)

http://bsg-cz.net/news/files/teasers/bsg_s3_trailer.avi

[Cowperson]

BSG Season 3 Trailer ***Spoilers (Obviously)***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7_ccvhY5-I&search=battlestar%20galactica%203

Did I just hear that guy say, "This is Kara, your . . . . ."?

Nickleback background music . . . .

Great set up.

Cowperson

[JiriHrdina]

Incidently, after listening to some of you guys rave about this show for the last year or so I finally rented the mini series.

Hooked already.

[CalgaryCowboy]

I hope someone on Shaw HD picks this up. Space is one of the worst Picture Quality channels I get. I almost want to get the DVD just to see it in cleaner state. It goes to show the quality of writting that I am hooked on a Sci-fi show where I don't get a great view of the special affects.

[Canada 02]

Did I just hear that guy say, "This is Kara, your . . . . ."?Don't know how to discuss this without being a spoilerish. It explains what happened to her in 'The Farm'

[nfotiu]

I hope someone on Shaw HD picks this up. Space is one of the worst Picture Quality channels I get. I almost want to get the DVD just to see it in cleaner state. It goes to show the quality of writting that I am hooked on a Sci-fi show where I don't get a great view of the special affects.

This show is barely available in HD in the US, as well. It is only on Universal HD, which is barely carried anywhere (not on Comcast). Not only that, even if you are fortunate enough to get it, they show it a season behind SCIFI. For the last couple years, it and The Dead Zone are the only 2 scripted shows I watch that aren't in HD.

[Flashpoint]

Did I just hear that guy say, "This is Kara, your . . . . ."?

Nickleback background music . . . .

Great set up.

Cowperson

Oh my fracking god...

...how am I supposed to wait so long...

[Flame On]

Oh my fracking god...

...how am I supposed to wait so long...
I'm with you, sooooo excited.
Thanks for posting that info CP etc.!:)

[mykalberta]

Incidently, after listening to some of you guys rave about this show for the last year or so I finally rented the mini series.

Hooked already.

Warning, its almost as bad if not worse than WorldOfWarCrack.

MYK

[Canada 02]

**Warning** Spoilers within links

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/

The second half of Season 2 comes out on DVD Sept. 19, and it features an exclusive extended version of "Pegasus." Thompson and his writing partner, David Weddle, wrote and produced 10 2-minute “Battlestar Galactica” Webisodes which may debut online in September (when Sci Fi confirms a date on their debut, I’ll let you know. One possible title floating around is "Battlestar Galactica: Resistance"). The Webisodes will concern the birth of the resistance movement on New Caprica (as you’ll recall from the show’s breathtaking finale, the Cylons, after leaving the human survivors alone on New Caprica for months, invaded the planet and took over).

Ron Moore's Blog:
http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2006/07/

http://tv.ign.com/articles/720/720386p1.html

As the panel ended, Olmos hinted at another dark plotline, in which the humans would release a pandemic upon the Cylons. However, he also revealed that the number of humans left alive on the series has dropped from somewhere around 49,000 people to 38,000, saying, "We're losing fast."

[Canada 02]

Season 3 preview v2. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywlwdcRdcz8&NR

More interviews and stuff:
http://media.tv.ign.com/media/821/821011/vids_1.html

[Bobblehead]

BTW, in order to see season 2.5 I "aquired" the final 10 episodes.

The picture quality of these episodes are far superior to the PQ of season 2.0 DVDs. They must come from a HD source.

[Canada 02]

HiRes S3 preview v2 for download (right click to save)
http://bsg-cz.net/news/files/teasers/bsg_s3_trailer2.avi

[Flame On]

Battlestar update. (http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003/show/23557/blog.html?tag=tabs;blog)
New episode dates set, as well as the new web series talked about above.
Sci Fi will air "Occupation" and "Precipice" back-to-back on October 6th. The story will not pick up immediately after the end of the Season Two finale. There will be another jump of a few months.
Back-to-back, Christmas in October this year!!

[Canada 02]

Another trailer to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzEs3qAtF8&NR

or download http://media.tv.ign.com/media/821/821011/vids_1.html

I think this is new as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuqu_0qcZ_E

[Canada 02]

BSG Webisodes 1 & 2. Check back every Tues and Thurs for more

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/webisodes/

[photon]

Wow, I just started watching this this weekend. Rented the DVDs, it's pretty good!

[atb]

Another trailer to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCzEs3qAtF8&NR

or download http://media.tv.ign.com/media/821/821011/vids_1.html

I think this is new as well http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuqu_0qcZ_E


I get an error when I try to play those clips saying the clip isn't available from my location?

[BlackEleven]

You can only view the webepisodes from the scifi site if you're in the US. But there are torrents floating around. I won't give any links because that may be in violation of forum rules.

You may also want to wait until all the webepisodes are released. They're only about 4 minutes in lenght, and I am sure someone will add them all together and make a torrent of it once they've all been released.

[Cowperson]

You can only view the webepisodes from the scifi site if you're in the US. But there are torrents floating around. I won't give any links because that may be in violation of forum rules.



A Youtube link below was available for Canadians for a single day . . . . then was removed at the request of NBC as per the note at the top of the page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BIxMgbcneA

Cowperson

[BlackEleven]

A Youtube link below was available for Canadians for a single day . . . . then was removed at the request of NBC as per the note at the top of the page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BIxMgbcneA

Cowperson

I noticed that too when I was looking for "alternate sources" to try and find the video. I was actually quite surprised that NBC forced YouTube to remove it. I figured the reason scifi.com was making the web episodes available to US residents only was to save bandwidth. The SciFi channel only services the United States, so why waste bandwidth on people that could never be their customers.

But by that logic, scifi wouldn't have cared if the video was on YouTube -- in fact it could have even helped reduce the load on their site. Perhaps they have a specific reason for wanting people to view it on their site. My guess would be a deal with their advertising sponsor, since people rehosting the video could edit out the advertisements.

[Canada 02]

This is a very good site for BSG fans, you may find what your looking for here.

http://bsg-cz.net/

[Cowperson]

This Chicago Tribune entertainment reporter has seen the opening episode of season 3 . . . . . she said the ending made her "physically nauseous. But in a good way."

The link . . . . you should be good for spoilers.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2006/09/battlestar_and_.html

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

Entertainment Weekly with an extensive look at Battlestar Galactica in the last day or two:

''Battlestar Galactica'': Inside TV's next great cult hit. If you're already into this sci-fi series, you know it rivals ''Lost'' and ''24'' among TV's best.

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1537626_3_0_,00.html

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

FYI . . . . Ron Moore says season three has been written and he's started working on season four, something sure to raise eyebrows . . . . he talks about a wide range of issues in this interview, including the proposed Caprica prequel.

http://www.scifi.com/sfw/interviews/sfw13789.html

I think Mary McDonnell is on "Today" . . . . today.

A preview with mild, mild spoilers that you probably already knew . . . although you probably didn't know there are dogs on New Caprica.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/08/31/battlestar-galactica-season-three-and-early-look/

Hypaspace Weekly yesterday on Space - just happened to be channel surfing by - had a preview with some pretty astonishing spoilers that I probably didn't need to see. But that's another story.

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

A preview with mild, mild spoilers that you probably already knew . . . although you probably didn't know there are dogs on New Caprica.

Now wouldn't they be called "daggits", at least that is what I think I remember from the original series?

[Cowperson]

Now wouldn't they be called "daggits", at least that is what I think I remember from the original series?

What a memory you have . . . . and what is this little boy doing to this dagggit? :whistle:

http://www.tvacres.com/images/battlestar-gallatica.jpg

Anyhoo, in the new Battlestar, I think we'll be seeing real dogs, instead of mechanical ones.

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

What a memory you have . . . . and what is this little boy doing to this dagggit? :whistle:

http://www.tvacres.com/images/battlestar-gallatica.jpg

Anyhoo, in the new Battlestar, I think we'll be seeing real dogs, instead of mechanical ones.

Cowperson

It was only a mechanical one because Apollo's kid's daggit was killed in the invasion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daggit

I remember the scene - Boxey calling, the daggit (a german shepherd) running towards him, then explosions all around and they had to leave.

[Cowperson]

It was only a mechanical one because Apollo's kid's daggit was killed in the invasion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daggit

I remember the scene - Boxey calling, the daggit (a german shepherd) running towards him, then explosions all around and they had to leave.

It must have scarred you for life to remember that kind of detail . . . . .

In this case, I think the dog will just be a dog, just like the Hummer was just a Hummer.

Meanwhile, webisode 8 is up on youtube for non-USA viewers, for a while anyway. . . . . a clear inverted reference to Iraq . . . . followed by a season three preview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4rtgt_Ryu8

Cowperson

[JiriHrdina]

When is the season premiere?

[BlackEleven]

When is the season premiere?

Friday in the States, Saturday here (on Space).

I, for one, can't wait!

[photon]

Nooo! I just rented season 2 and haven't watched it yet!

And what's season 2.5? Is that the web stuff? They had those for rent too.

[MarchHare]

Nooo! I just rented season 2 and haven't watched it yet!

And what's season 2.5? Is that the web stuff? They had those for rent too.

The second season was actually divided into two sets of DVDs, with season 2.5 being the last 10 episodes. The last episode of the first half (episide 10) ends with a cliffhanger, so you're going to want to pick up 2.5 right away.

[Cowperson]

Nooo! I just rented season 2 and haven't watched it yet!

And what's season 2.5? Is that the web stuff? They had those for rent too.

Season 2.0 was the first 10 episodes of the second season. Season 2.5 was just released on DVD in September. Not sure if you can rent it yet but you can buy it for sure.

The webisodes are 10 mini-moments of about 3-5 minutes each, giving backfill to lead into Season 3, but they're not essential.

Cowperson

[Cowperson]

"Watching Battlestar Galactica From The Middle East" - a lengthy column in Israel Insider attempts to draw parallels between BSG and the Middle East.

http://web.israelinsider.com/views/9568.htm

Cowperson

[photon]

Season 2.0 was the first 10 episodes of the second season. Season 2.5 was just released on DVD in September. Not sure if you can rent it yet but you can buy it for sure.

Yeah they had em for rent at Blockbuster. Have to pick em up soon.

[Cowperson]

Last splurge before the season three debut . . . . some fun reading without huge spoilers.

Chicago Tribune . . . . . mild spoiler alert:

Ronald D. Moore, executive producer of "Battlestar Galactica," says his favorite scene in the powerful 2-hour season opener is between Gaius Baltar, the reviled Marshal Petain of New Caprica, and Laura Roslin, his political nemesis and resistance sympathizer.

"Going into that scene, I think there's an assumption of whose side you're on," Moore says. "But when he starts challenging her on the morality of suicide bombing ... it throws her off stride, and I think it throws the audience off stride too. I think, for a moment, you're really not sure where you're supposed to go emotionally in that scene and I think that's a great place to take an audience."

That's been "Battlestar Galactica's" strength from the beginning -- using believable characters to explore personal morality and political choices, while avoiding predictable polemics or easy resolutions. Though the first part of the season has echoes of the situation in Iraq, the debates among the humans and the Cylons are universal to any conflict -- what tactics are legitimate in a fight over core beliefs? Are any methods acceptable? In the end, what is worth fighting for?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-0610060099oct06,1,704680.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

Dallas Fort Worth Star Telegram

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/entertainment/television/15684265.htm

Boston Globe

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2006/10/05/moral_dilemmas_pulled_into_battlestar_galaxy/

EDIT: Great, in-depth examination of Battlestar in the Atlanta Journal Constitution,

http://www.ajc.com/search/content/living/faithandvalues/stories/2006/09/30/relbattlestar0930a.html

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

So, is Season 3 starting on US tv tonight, and Space tomorrow(Saturday)?

[BlackEleven]

^ Yessir!

[Bobblehead]

Sooooo

Should we post a/another spoiler warning in here, or start a new Season 3 spoiler thread?

[Bobblehead]

Well then, all I'll say is HOLY FRACK!!

[CaptainCrunch]

That was an amazing two hours of T.V., there were more twists and turns then a badly designed stretch of road. The character development was amazing.

SPOILER WARNING

It seems pretty apparent that the cylon caved in that little girls head to win over Kara.

Great CGI on making Apollo into a huge tub of lard.

Nice attachment in the series and current world events with the low light cam.

Wow, I say just wow.

[JiriHrdina]

Yeah that really is amazing television. So much subtext its tough to actually get your head around it all. It will be interesting to see if they have actually killed off any main characters in that final scene.

[BlackEleven]

Warning: Everything below is a spoiler.

Well, Roslin obviously survies the final scene, since they showed her in the preview for next week's episode. I liked the dynamic that was developing between her and the vice-president (I forget his name now) at the end there. That could get interesting as the season progresses.

I agree with the above that the Cylon likely hurt the child on purpose. I have a feeling, though, that he is not winning over Kara like he thinks he is. I imagine its a ploy on her part. I could see her somehow escaping with the child; stabbing him and running out of the hospital or something like that.

I was wondering about the part where the Cylon started shooting at Sharon and the resistance fighters in the bushes after she first met up with them. Did the Cylon notice that Sharon was helping the resistance? Is the jig up now? Will the Cylons know that one of the Sharons is a traitor? That could make for some interesting witch-hunts within the Cylon ranks.

I also like the way they're building up for the Adama's return and attack on the Cylons. When he finally does return, that's going to be one hell of an episode.

[Cowperson]

You shouldn't have to worry about spoilers in this thread . . . . . the episode has aired in both Canada and the USA now.

Let 'er rip!!

The word "amazing" has already been used twice but how can you not use it again . . . . an incredibly layered two hours of television and well worth the wait of months since the end of the last season.

Wow.

Lee Adama's fatty look was actually, in real life production, the same suit used during Sharon's pregnancy.

Memo To Self: Anytime Kara Thrace sits quietly with her hands folded neatly in her lap and gives you a shy, impish upturn of the lips . . . . immediately jump 20 feet back as violent death is surely stalking you closely!!

The Leoben/Starbuck mind game thing was something you knew was coming given their similar encounter in season one and you knew those missing ovaries would put in an appearance at some point . . . . . incredibly well done. I assume Leoben mercilessly threw the kid down the stairs to engender Starbuck's reaction . . . . . but I would also assume Starbuck, at the end, placing her hand over Leoben's, will turn out to be a ploy on her part as well. They're both sinister and well-matched.

"Yes, before you ask, the eye is gone. Plucked it right out of my head and showed it to me . . . . looked like a hard-boiled egg" - Colonel Tigh with a great line.

Kate Vernon was terrific, even sympathetic to some extent . . . . .

Dean Stockwell is a great addition. Pure, merciless and ironic evil. But Lucy Lawless seems to be waivering . . . .

The gunfire erupting at the end with Cally running through the forest will probably be Jammer turning on his masters . . . .

Lots to talk about but I've got to drive a few hours for my turkey.

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

So, has the fleet split with Galactica left behind?

Will the resistance trust Sharon, or will they think she was the one who sold them out?

How can Baltar sign that death warrant, condemning all those people in order to save his own skin. That is quite the character. If he had been trying to undermine the cylons (like Gaeda) then I may have a bit more sympathy for him. (Although, surrounded by cylons who are going to do it either way, would condemning yourself to a meaningless death (and one cheered by the populous) do anything beyond assuage your conscience?)

The whole suicide bombing thread is very intriguing. Very politically relevant, but not heavy handed.

[Cowperson]

So, has the fleet split with Galactica left behind?

No . . . . When Adm Adama goes to New Caprica, Apollo will be left floating in space with orders to leave within 18 hours to continue the search for Earth with the remaining 2000 people in the fleet.

Now, it seems a predictable plot device that Apollo will lose his "fat ass" and re-grow his balls and charge in to save the day . . . . but that's just a guess.

Will the resistance trust Sharon, or will they think she was the one who sold them out?

I think we'll see Cally lost in the forest/killed off and Galactica Sharon and Tyrol get it on again, back where they started in the mini-series . . . . not so far-fetched when you remember the producers keep warning us we're going to lose a major character or two fairly soon. Sharon will always be distrusted.

How can Baltar sign that death warrant, condemning all those people in order to save his own skin. That is quite the character. If he had been trying to undermine the cylons (like Gaeda) then I may have a bit more sympathy for him. (Although, surrounded by cylons who are going to do it either way, would condemning yourself to a meaningless death (and one cheered by the populous) do anything beyond assuage your conscience?)

Fans of the old 1980 Galactica show have been waiting for the devolution of Baltar into a full blown Cylon collaborator for some time . . . . . when we finally see "Exodus" and the fleet leaves New Caprica to resume the search for Earth, its a fair bet Baltar won't be going with them.

The whole suicide bombing thread is very intriguing. Very politically relevant, but not heavy handed.

Lots of debate on the political relevance on the sci-fi Galactica board . . .

http://mboard.scifi.com/postlist.php?Cat=0&Board=BattlestarGalactica&page=0

Amusingly, Battlestar seems to be ruffling real-life feathers. This columnist at The National Review discusses "New Iraqica" . . . .

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MTc5ZTFlMTE2ZmM5ZWI4NDIxYzIwMTYxMWMzZjE1NmE=

Cowperson

[Shazam]

I can't believe Space actually showed this around the same time as the US. Yay!

[Hakan]

Good episode but I honestly can't wait until they get back in space and start running from the Cylons again. The New Caprica story is already getting old for me and the allusions to present day events I find are too obvious. Good sci-fi always comes back as a social commentary but this is just way too apparent and as a result, the story suffers, imo.

I think it's another bad sign for this show when the Cylons are the far more interesting and intriguing characters than the humans in this early season. The human characters seem to have stalled on development or have fallen into typical catechisms and cliches. Cara is the only one I am actually interested in and that's probably because of her close relationship to the Cylons right now. On Colonel Tigh is also quite good right now too. He is an example of a character that has grown.

The show needs to develop new angles and ennuances for these increasingly tiresome characters. I think they will do so but I hope it doesn't take too long. Otherwise we may just find ourselves rooting for the Cylons.

[Shazam]

This columnist at The National Review discusses "New Iraqica" . . . .It was an idiotic analysis. He totally missed the point.

[Bobblehead]

It was an idiotic analysis. He totally missed the point.

I agree. Why does he jump to the "it is against GWB, therefore it is crap" conclusion?

I can see, and think the episode shows, the struggle on both sides: the debate about whether to suicide bomb or not, and the debate on how to react.

And in the original series Baltar became the leader of the cylons. I have a tough time seeing that progression happening here. Neither side will ever trust Baltar. Perhaps with his Number 6 back in his brain psyche again, and her being opposed to the current cylon activities, he may be useful in helping get off New Caprica.

[Hakan]

Maybe Baltar is a cylon.

Seems like an obvious twist but you could do it so that it was interesting.

Maybe Baltar was not only a sleeper agent but the original humanoid model. Maybe there was a human Baltar who made the humanoid cylon in his image. Lots of places to go with this.

[Cowperson]

I agree. Why does he jump to the "it is against GWB, therefore it is crap" conclusion?

National Review is generally considered a right wing organ . . . . and apparently a little sensitive.

Actually, if you wanted to make real-life comparisons, the character who enters the fray hopefully believing a forced but benevolent occupation, working with a democratically elected government of the conquered, an occupation that would be greeted with a showering of joyful flowers in the street, the neo-con view of Iraq held by GW Bush, would actually be Caprica Six, the woman who was shot in the forehead by, apparently, Dick Cheney (Doral)!!! Although not a hunting accident.

But, as you said . . . . lots of nuances. They edge that way but go other ways as well. Depending on your real-life political point of view, you could see a lot of things in there that others might not.

In truth, in podcasts the producers have said they are mostly alluding to Vichy France.

Maybe Baltar is a cylon.

That would be too obvious . . . . its also fun to watch the little worm as he squirms to save himself.

What will he do to keep himself alive?

Cowperson

[BlackEleven]

when we finally see "Exodus" and the fleet leaves New Caprica to resume the search for Earth, its a fair bet Baltar won't be going with them.


I have a feeling he will be going with them. We've seen him claw his way out of sticky situations before -- like explaining how the nuke from his lab went missing. He may be able to explain this to by saying they held a gun to his head and forced him to sign everything or come up with some other explanation with the help of Six (the one is his head).

Obviously, the hate for him is at an all time high now, but I'd wager there are still quite a few more episodes on New Caprica before they leave allowing for time for people's attitudes towards him to change. Some characters will never forgive him though, letting him return to that ambigious bad-guy-good-guy role.

At least this is what I'm hoping for. Baltar is too interesting of a character in the role he's in, imo.

[Cowperson]

but I'd wager there are still quite a few more episodes on New Caprica before they leave allowing for time for people's attitudes towards him to change. .

The next two episodes are titled "Exodus" parts one and two . . . . . so I'd say they're leaving fairly quickly.

In the original series, Baltar ends up alone with the Cylons . . . . I think we'll see that. Just a guess.

Now that Canada and the USA are basically in sync, you can knock yourself out on the Sci-Fi Channel page:

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

If I recall correctly in the original series Baltar ended up in the brig of the galactica then was eventually freed and marooned on a planet. I can see the same scenario here. They tried a little too hard to make him loathsome at the end of last season, and then switched gears to quickly with his original attempt at nobility by having him originally refuse to sign the death warrents.

We know that he's not a Cylon, that would also be too easy and too predictible. But I think we will eventually see a cylon model based on Baltar, who becomes a true representation of the cylon god, call him a prophet for both sides.

It was good to see the presidents former political rival at the end of the episode, I was hoping that he was going to play a major role, and every resistance needs a devil that is willing to stretch things, in fact I could see Tigh getting into a close relationship with him, since Tigh has become a bit of a fanatic.

I agree that Apollo is going to disregard his orders, and rush into the rescue.

One thing that struck me as very strange was that the Galactica and Pegasus retired the more veteran military people (Tigh, Chief, and others), and kept the newbies and inexperienced people on the ships, that too me is strange.

[Flame On]

One thing that struck me as very strange was that the Galactica and Pegasus retired the more veteran military people (Tigh, Chief, and others), and kept the newbies and inexperienced people on the ships, that too me is strange.
Except Adama, who's the Yelle of space conflicts! :D

[Cowperson]

One thing that struck me as very strange was that the Galactica and Pegasus retired the more veteran military people (Tigh, Chief, and others), and kept the newbies and inexperienced people on the ships, that too me is strange.

Baltars original order was that anyone who wanted to leave and go to the planet surface could do so. . . . . he didn't allow for any preference to the military keeping their people and is obviously contemptious - and afraid a bit - of Adama.

There's a scene after they leap ahead one year where Tigh says he and Ellen have finally decided to go down to the planet and get settled, obviously one of the last to go after vegetating on the vessel in orbit . . . . so, for the others as well, it was probably a gradual osmosis, trepidation at first then acceptance of minimal danger.

It was good to see the presidents former political rival at the end of the episode, I was hoping that he was going to play a major role, and every resistance needs a devil that is willing to stretch things, in fact I could see Tigh getting into a close relationship with him, since Tigh has become a bit of a fanatic.

Tom Zarek is a convicted terrorist himself. That's why he was locked up on the prison ship. Him disappearing for four months is interesting. They didn't have to say that so maybe there's a reason they did. Was he really locked up by the Cylons or was he helping them? Lots of people speculate he might be a Cylon as well. If Baltar is left behind, Zarek is the VP and technically second in line, ahead of Roslin.

Other interesting plot point . . . . Tyrol thinks Gaeta is a collaborator, rather than the sympathetic helper that he is.

And Cally appears to know Jammer is the one who let her go and also that he's a cop for the Cylons.

It might get ugly when it comes time to be accountable for what you were doing during the occupation.

How is Caprica Six going to like getting shot in the forehead? That had to hurt. And will she have a new rival for the romantic attentions of Baltar (just thought I'd throw that in) once she comes out of the vat as frisky as ever?

Will Kara leave Kasey behind? Will Leoben get suckered in by the hand in hand embrace from a woman who's already killed him five times?

Will Harry do Sally by the end of the movie?

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

How is Caprica Six going to like getting shot in the forehead? That had to hurt. And will she have a new rival for the romantic attentions of Baltar (just thought I'd throw that in) once she comes out of the vat as frisky as ever?

That's who I believe has re-entered Baltar's psyche. She re-appeared (didn't he say something like "You're back") right after the shot in the forehead. That could make him interesting; if he has a sympathetic Cylon guiding him.

[Flame On]

Spoiler spoiler spoiler \/




Baltar, in the BSG magazine which seems to have a lot of spoilers, goes onto the Cylon ships and we see through him, a lot more about the Cylons. The way they live and interact etc. So in a sense he still is left behind.

[CaptainCrunch]

The ugliest story line is how Tigh is going to deal with his wife's liason with the Cylons, he won't care if it was to save his life.

She might just get left behind with Baltar

[Flame On]

The ugliest story line is how Tigh is going to deal with his wife's liason with the Cylons, he won't care if it was to save his life.

She might just get left behind with Baltar
There's no one who's s*** don't stink after this occupation. I think in the end Adama will point that out and get people to move on. Upon listening to the season opener podcast by the producers, that was something they're trying to convey. Who are the good guys here.

[Flame On]

Great episode this weekend. Did everyone see it in one way or another?
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Just can't imagine what Sharon is going to do once she learns her baby is indeed alive.
Can't wait until the rescue mission kicks off next episode. Adama from the preview looks to be in some bother.
I guess the Lucy Lawless cylon character knows everything, wonder what part she'll play.
Boltar is screwed.

[CaptainCrunch]

Great episode, you could almost see Tigh dying a little when his wife came under suspicion.

I liked the fact that they let the preacher cylon take hours before he died.

Interesting that Sharon kept too her word and got the launch keys even after she heard about her baby.

Cowperson sounds like he was right, Apollo is about to go against orders and the Galactica is going to get into big trouble.

This is bar none the best show on T.V., with Jericho closing the gap, and Lost becoming stupid.

[Shazam]

What, a JJ Abrams show going stupid? I've never seen that happen before.

[JiriHrdina]

Great episode, you could almost see Tigh dying a little when his wife came under suspicion.

I liked the fact that they let the preacher cylon take hours before he died.

Interesting that Sharon kept too her word and got the launch keys even after she heard about her baby.

Cowperson sounds like he was right, Apollo is about to go against orders and the Galactica is going to get into big trouble.

This is bar none the best show on T.V., with Jericho closing the gap, and Lost becoming stupid.

Jericho Captain? Man I gave that show 3 eppies and I couldn't take the cheese any longer. Great premise - horrible execution of it.

[Flame On]

Jericho Captain? Man I gave that show 3 eppies and I couldn't take the cheese any longer. Great premise - horrible execution of it.I have to agree with Jiri. I've been watching Jerhico and it's holding my attention but there's some really poor writting or at least plotting.
The kid who happens to find his corner store food boxes in the first rail car, unlocked of course.
The airplane flight recorder that happens to work with reel to reel tape.
The main guy that's a demolition, flight recorder, firearms and radiation expert.
Plus the fallout levels from an attack that wiped out america seems very low.
Still, for now it's holding my attention until I see what did the damage.
It's no BSG! ;)

[Bobblehead]

What, a JJ Abrams show going stupid? I've never seen that happen before.

When he is working directly with the show, it is fine. But then he got distracted from Alias (by Lost) and Lost was good and Alias sank like a stone. Now the same pattern is happening with Lost.

If I was acting on BSG I would want to play a Cylon. Your character can never be killed off!

[Hakan]

This is bar none the best show on T.V., with Jericho closing the gap, and Lost becoming stupid.

OT: Lost was stupid from episode 1 minute 10.

I found this third episode a little hokey. How are their roads for transport vehicles to drive on in this new episode? The whole New Caprica world takes a big grain of salt to swallow. You would think from an amazingly technically advanced robot civilization they would have a better monitoring and control system. The pieces don't fall together in a plausible way for me. They can't get back on the Galactica sooner.

[Cowperson]

If I was acting on BSG I would want to play a Cylon. Your character can never be killed off!

I think Kate Vernon is fervently hoping her Ellen Tigh character is a Cylon right about now . . . . the producers have been fairly up front in telling us a major character gets iced from the show fairly early into the season.

Right now, it looks like she's going to be elected.

How are their roads for transport vehicles to drive on in this new episode? The whole New Caprica world takes a big grain of salt to swallow.

The almost-execution scene was filmed at a real life gravel pit which, we would have to agree, wouldn't necessarily be out of line as one of the first things a new society might generate for a new community as it builds roads.

But, I agree, anytime they're on a planet and Hummers and standard military trucks show up, its starting to be a stretch . . . .

Ron Moore talked about stuff like that in various podcasts . . . . in "Downloaded," they had some French cars in the parking garage to give it a more exotic, foreign look. But in the episode where Starbuck piles into the Hummer they freely admit they just said "Frack it" instead of designing something unrecognizable.

I'm kind of interested in what happened to the human cops captured at the gravel pit . . . . we have a brief scene where a few of them are spread-eagled against a truck and under guard . . . . . were they shot out of hand, let go, joined the good guys? What happened to them?

Letting Cylons suffer instead of killing them outright seems to be the new "in" thing to do.

Nice to see some mysticism returning to the show. Lucy Lawless will chase Galactica across the universe to get that baby now. And Sharon is moving back to being untrustworthy now that she suspects the kid is alive.

The future motivation of Starbuck is becoming clear, the safety of Kasey.

I'll bet we're near the point where we lose Pegasus, perhaps rescuing Galactica.

Some overly sensitive people are getting on the Iraq connection:

http://www.slate.com/id/2151425

Cowperson

[mykalberta]

I especially liked when the Quantum Leap Cylon, the same one who wanted to execute random humans complains about humans being heartless when the chick said I want you to suffer until you are re downloaded.

I love that shat.

As much as I hate to say it, I see Tye being killed off first. He is my favorite character .

MYK

[Flame On]

I think it would be more interesting to see Kate Vernon's character live and have to fight the scrutiny. Like any of them haven't done heinous acts!
Plus nice to have someone on the show get down and dirty, not just the cylons!

[Hakan]

I agree that Tigh is the likely one to go. With Apollo and Adama as the two commanding officers, Tigh will have quite a diminished role.

[BlackEleven]

So how long until Sharon finds out about the baby? I see it happening when they're evacuating everyone and she finds out that Roslin order special protection of that one mom and her baby. Then all hell breaks loose.

[Cowperson]

You know, it just occurred to me that the human "oracle" sought out by Lucy Lawless in the last episode is none other than Amanda Plummer, whom some might remember as the crazed airhead robbing the restaurant in Pulp Fiction.

On another note, all you want to know - and probably a lot more than you want to know - about Season 3 is in this lengthy Chicago Tribune interview with Ron Moore from a week or so ago. I read some and then avoided other parts as he lets you know what's coming.

Read the whole thing at your peril.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2006/10/battlestar_gala.html

Cowperson

[Neeper]

Ok, after hearing so much about Battlestar, I went out 2 weeks ago and bought season 1.

After 2 weeks I am caught up!! Waiting for new episode on Space tomorrow.

This show in unreal. It has become my favorite show already. If you are not watching this show yet, you have to start.

[Bobblehead]

This show in unreal. It has become my favorite show already. If you are not watching this show yet, you have to start.

If you are not watching this show STOP READING THIS THREAD.

Go get the first 2 seasons, then come back. There's a spoiler tag for a reason. There are a lot of cool twists.

[BlackEleven]

Pretty good episode tonight. Brilliant acting by Hogan (Colnel Tigh) in this episode, especially the end scene with Adama.

I wonder if the plot will refocus on finding Earth now or if something else will come up? Perhaps something to do with the baby being in the hands of the Cylons?

Here's something else of interest... which BSG character are you?

http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=77810


You scored as Capt. Lee Adama (Apollo).

You have spent your life trying to life up to and impress your Dad, shame he never seemed to notice. You are a stickler for the rules. But in matters of loyalty and honour you know when they have to be broken.

Capt. Lee Adama (Apollo)

75% Commander William Adama

69% President Laura Roslin

56% Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer)

44% CPO Galen Tyrol

38% Tom Zarek

31% Dr Gaius Baltar

25% Col. Saul Tigh

19% Number 6

19% Lt. Kara Thrace (Starbuck)

6%

[atb]

Best part of episode tonight was the pilot "this ought to be different".

[Bobblehead]

You scored as CPO Galen Tyrol.

http://oascentral.oxygen.com/RealMedia/ads/adstream_nx.ads/quizfarm.com/results.php@x95 (http://oascentral.oxygen.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/quizfarm.com/results.php@x95)
You never wanted to be a glamorous Viper pilot. You are happy knowing that without you to fix their birds, they cannot fly. You fell in love with the wrong girl, but is that so wrong? Maybe, but you don't really care. CPO Galen Tyrol

69% Tom Zarek

63% Capt. Lee Adama (Apollo)

56% Commander William Adama

56% President Laura Roslin

50% Dr Gaius Baltar

50% Lt. Kara Thrace (Starbuck)

31% Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer)

25% Col. Saul Tigh

13% Number 6

0%

[Wookie]

You scored as CPO Galen Tyrol.


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You never wanted to be a glamorous Viper pilot. You are happy knowing that without you to fix their birds, they cannot fly. You fell in love with the wrong girl, but is that so wrong? Maybe, but you don't really care.

94%Capt. Lee Adama (Apollo)
69%Commander William Adama
50%Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer)
50%Lt. Kara Thrace (Starbuck)
50%Dr Gaius Baltar
44%Tom Zarek
38%President Laura Roslin
31%Number 6
31%Col. Saul Tigh
25%

[Wookie]

Best part of episode tonight was the pilot "this ought to be different".
Hmm, I don't remember that... When did it happen! I knew Apollo was coming back, but I still cheered and got excited hehe.. Glad they're all back together and off that hole.. Feel bad for Tigh.. Good ending.. Now Apollo needs to get his S together.. fatty..

[CaptainCrunch]

And the Captain was totally right about how Tigh would react to his wife's betrayal. The only thing that I got wrong was that he didn't shoot her or beat her to death.

And Baltar is now fully on the cylon side, you know with all of the abandonment issues that he's going to have.

[JiriHrdina]

Pretty good episode tonight. Brilliant acting by Hogan (Colnel Tigh) in this episode, especially the end scene with Adama.

I wonder if the plot will refocus on finding Earth now or if something else will come up? Perhaps something to do with the baby being in the hands of the Cylons?

Here's something else of interest... which BSG character are you?

http://quizfarm.com/test.php?q_id=77810




Neat...in a uber-geeky kinda way.

You scored as Commander William Adama.

You have risen to your position by being damn good at what you do. Not only that, you have the deepest respect for the people under your command. You may be a little grumpy and unapproachable, but every commander needs to distance himself. Shame that you apply that to your children too.

[atb]

Hmm, I don't remember that... When did it happen! I knew Apollo was coming back, but I still cheered and got excited hehe.. Glad they're all back together and off that hole.. Feel bad for Tigh.. Good ending.. Now Apollo needs to get his S together.. fatty..

When the ship is coming in for a landing on the planet and the vipers are being shot out the side. That pilot says "this ought to be different" right before he's shot out.

[Flame On]

You scored as Capt. Lee Adama (Apollo).
You have spent your life trying to life up to and impress your Dad, shame he never seemed to notice. You are a stickler for the rules. But in matters of loyalty and honour you know when they have to be broken.
CPO Galen Tyrol 63%
Capt. Lee Adama (Apollo) 63%
Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer) 56%
President Laura Roslin 50%
Dr Gaius Baltar 44%
Tom Zarek 44%
Number 6 38%
Commander William Adama 31%
Lt. Kara Thrace (Starbuck) 31%
Col. Saul Tigh 25%

What a great episode that was! That Pegasus coming in guns blazing and when it ended.....just epic.

[CaptainCrunch]

Capt. Lee Adama You have spent your life trying to life up to and impress your Dad, shame he never seemed to notice. You are a stickler for the rules. But in matters of loyalty and honour you know when they have to be broken.

[Hakan]

I am Tom Zarek.

"You began your career as a terrorist, but that was so your voice could be heard. You alone know the right path, and anyone who gets in your way is fighting against the good of you all. Still, you can wait, and you can fight your war in any arena."

Fitting.

[Neeper]

If you are not watching this show STOP READING THIS THREAD.

Go get the first 2 seasons, then come back. There's a spoiler tag for a reason. There are a lot of cool twists.
Oh don't worry. I am totally caught up. Ever episode watched in order. My god this show is sooooooooooo damn good.

[Neeper]

I guess I am like Gaius and Apollo. I am always a sucker for hot blondes, like Gaius!


81% Dr Gaius Baltar
81% Capt. Lee Adama (Apollo)
69% CPO Galen Tyrol
56% Number 6
50% President Laura Roslin
50% Lt. Kara Thrace (Starbuck)
44% Commander William Adama
38% Tom Zarek
19% Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer)
6% Col. Saul Tigh

[Bobblehead]

Another good episode. I really found myself pulling for Gaeda, and really saw the conflict in Colonel Tighe.



And in case anybody was wondering where the guy who played Billy went....

Nobody's Watching (http://nobodyswatching.blogspot.com/)

(and after you watch those, the main site (http://www.nobodyswatching.tv/))

[mykalberta]

86% CPO Gaylen Tyrol

Damn it, only 74% Col Tye.

MYK

[BlackEleven]

Great episode. I particularly liked the scene where they were about to ejected Gaeda out the airlock. You could tell Gaeda felt guilty about his time in Baltar's office despite all the information he fed to the resistance. He was prepared to die without defending himself.

Starbuck really drives me crazy. When she sat at Gaeda's table only to give him ****, I felt like reaching into the tv and slapping her silly. And when she was telling him to beg for her life (which ironically ended up being what saved him). I admire Anders for having the balls to stand up to her -- I'm enjoying his character more and more even though at first I didn't really care for him.

[Hakan]

The last episode was the best episode of the season so far. I am so glad they got out of that New Caprica story quickly and back to the basics.

The hybrids were really interesting and I am really enjoying the series turn to focus on the cylons now more than the humans.

Also, I am glad Starbuck is back with the short hair. She is hot.

[BlackEleven]

Loved the part where Adama kicked Starbuck out of her chair. Hopefully she'll go back to the good fighter pilot out-of-the-box thinker instead of the annoying "I'm so hard done by so I'm going to be a jerk to everyone" character.

So what's the deal with Baltar "projecting'? Is he a cylon? I doubt the writers would make it that obvious, but I am curious about how they will explain it or even if they will.

What going to happen to Tigh? Seems like they're setting it up for him to off himself. Ellen is gone, he's in a fight with Adama, lots of leftover anger issues, back to drinking and Helo seems to have usurped his position as XO. I don't think this is going to end well for Tigh unless something really big happens to him in the next couple of episodes.

[Flashpoint]

I’m a fracking Cylon. Probably because I am a Canadian, which fits with the theory I posted in this thread way back on page 1! It was a 3 way tie though, so I was almost Starbuck. Boomer is a probably a happy medium.

You scored as Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer). 100%

You forget things. Are they important? You think you might be a Cylon, but does that make you a machine? Who are you? Who am I?

Dr Gaius Baltar 100%
Lt. Kara Thrace (Starbuck) 100%
Tom Zarek 94%
Commander William Adama 94%
Capt. Lee Adama (Apollo) 75%
Col. Saul Tigh 63%
CPO Galen Tyrol 63%
Number 6 56%
President Laura Roslin 50%


No way is Baltar a Cylon. If he was, they wouldn’t have sent him to that ship. Then again, he was in a EVA suit, so maybe it is just a twist.

What do you think the odds are Galactica is going to get its hands on some cool Cylon toys? I can tell you one thing for certain. If I was able to get my hands on a virus to kill them all, it would be an easy decision. Genocide to the tune of my whole race needs to be paid back in kind.

Then again, according to the quiz, I’m a fracking cylon (and a hot asian lady) so maybe I am just confused about my motives.

I was sad to see Pegasus go, it was like losing a character. But a good death for "The Beast".

[Neeper]

What a great episode. I love how this season they are showing us the how the cylons operate. It's a refreshing change and very interesting.

[Cowperson]

Loved the "Let's Get Gaeta" episode a few weeks ago . . . . probably one of my favourites of the entire series.

Tigh's death spiral back into self pity and alcoholism should take us into a suitably dark place.

It would be pretty disappointing if Baltar were actually a Cylon but the habit of "projecting" the environment around him makes it oddly coincidental with how the Cylons themselves actually live . . . . . I'd prefer to think of him as a fatally flawed and more-than-slightly crazy human.

You just know the "Cylon In The Tub" - the living embodiment of a Cylon ship - will probably force her way into getting a "vote" sometime in the future . . . . something is up with that storyline.

And the probe seems to have been left by earlier humanity on the Exodus from Kobol . . . . since the Cylons are only about 40 some years old it couldn't be directed at them specifically. Could it?

The demise of "Fat Lee" was pretty rapid.

Some articles recently:

Tricia Helfer at Canada.com

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/artslife/story.html?id=50086937-1373-4e03-84d2-af368214ac2e&k=65805[/URL]

An article about the spin-off "Caprica" series:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10302006/tv/the_ring_cyclon_tv_don_kaplan.htm (http://www.goldentales.ca/P1060751_edited-2.jpg)

Those on the left would probably find this column on "Battlestar Galacticons" fairly amusing:

[URL]http://www.prospect.org/web/page.ww?section=root&name=ViewWeb&articleId=12172

Cowperson

[mykalberta]

I agree, the Fat Lee loss program was quite drastic.

I love the complete mind screw job of Starbuck with the kid.

I dont see Tye killing himself, I see more of a suicide mission where he tries to kill himself but kills a bunch toasters in the process.

Where does Lee fit into this now with Helo as the second, is Lee the viper head again?

All very intersting - I also want to know more about the 5 Human/Cylons that they dont want to talk about.

MYK

[Cowperson]

I agree, the Fat Lee loss program was quite drastic.

I love the complete mind screw job of Starbuck with the kid.

I dont see Tye killing himself, I see more of a suicide mission where he tries to kill himself but kills a bunch toasters in the process.

Where does Lee fit into this now with Helo as the second, is Lee the viper head again?

All very intersting - I also want to know more about the 5 Human/Cylons that they dont want to talk about.

MYK

The Leoben/Starbuck sidebar storyline has been one of my favourites right from season one . . . . he really screwed with her head with the kid. We'll see that storyline again. Also, Leoben is clearly the religious fanatic at the Cylon parties.

I don't think Tye is going to see Earth . . . . he's emblematic of those guys who are much more comfortable in war but struggle with peace . . . . he'll die in some suitably heroic fashion just before they get there.

Why do the Cylons need a homeworld? They can "project" any world they want. So why is Earth important as a home, beyond denying it to humanity?

I think the last show saw Lee Adama as the Viper CAG, hence his banishing Starbuck.

Since they're crammed to the gills on Galactica with refugees, are they going to hijack the abandoned basestar for living space?

And how much do-do is Baltar in now that Six has figured out he knew about the "foreign object" on the basestar?

Love the season so far.

Cowperson

[longsuffering]

Why do the Cylons need a homeworld? They can "project" any world they want. So why is Earth important as a home, beyond denying it to humanity?


Jumped in a bit late so sorry if this has been posted.

'Earthlings' or Christians at least seem to have far more in common with the Cylons than the Gatacticans. The primary thing being the belief in one god, not many.

Will the producers ever reconcile the fact that people from the 12 colonies believe in many gods, while people on the 13th or lost colony (more or less) believe in a single god?

[Cowperson]

Jumped in a bit late so sorry if this has been posted.

'Earthlings' or Christians at least seem to have far more in common with the Cylons than the Gatacticans. The primary thing being the belief in one god, not many.

Will the producers ever reconcile the fact that people from the 12 colonies believe in many gods, while people on the 13th or lost colony (more or less) believe in a single god?

They probably have to first explain how it is Cylons, an artificial construct from only 40 or so years ago, suddenly "got religion."

Secondly, maybe you, an Earthling, are a Cylon and that's why the Cylons want to get here.

Third, statistically, it would be interesting to look up how many people on Earth believe in one God versus many . . . . the numbers might be closer than you think.

One of the best articles on Battlestar/religion is at Beliefnet.com at this link from about a year ago:

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/166/story_16633_1.html

EDIT: Another article at Beliefnet, "The Souls Of Cylons."

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/166/story_16650_1.html

Cowperson

[Flashpoint]

The Leoben/Starbuck sidebar storyline has been one of my favourites right from season one . . . . he really screwed with her head with the kid. We'll see that storyline again. Also, Leoben is clearly the religious fanatic at the Cylon parties.

I don't think Tye is going to see Earth . . . . he's emblematic of those guys who are much more comfortable in war but struggle with peace . . . . he'll die in some suitably heroic fashion just before they get there.

Why do the Cylons need a homeworld? They can "project" any world they want. So why is Earth important as a home, beyond denying it to humanity?

I think the last show saw Lee Adama as the Viper CAG, hence his banishing Starbuck.

Since they're crammed to the gills on Galactica with refugees, are they going to hijack the abandoned basestar for living space?

And how much do-do is Baltar in now that Six has figured out he knew about the "foreign object" on the basestar?

Love the season so far.

Cowperson

Well, the Base Star IS a cylon, so I would expect it to be as sick as the rest of them. I think it was glowing a little green when Boomer (now Athena) found it. I wonder if she’s infected already? Hope not, that character has been through a lot in the past couple seasons. I still expect her to ultimately be forced to betray humanity.

I expect Saul to find earth. And religion. And a new best friend in someone who shares his current worldview – Tom Zerrik. That scene where Adama confronts Saul and Starbuck, handed him the sidearm and asked him to shoot was amazing.

Speaking of, I think it will be Adama who goes out in a blaze of glory. Perhaps at some point we will get to see “Husher” get into a Viper? They still ought to have his original one kicking around somewhere. Wasn’t there something in the scriptures about how the leader will get everyone to earth, but not see it themselves? At the time the president had cancer, so it looked like she was the one with the black sails. Now, not so much.

Lee got ripped WAY too fast. They could have had a lot more fun by not hitting the reset button so quickly. Lardass.

If the Chief and Kalee are both on deck looking after Vipers, who’s watching the kid? Does Galactica have a daycare now? Maybe Starbuck should ask for a job there.

As for Number 6 and Baltar – my favorite dynamic on the whole show – she loves him. No way she turns him in.

[Neeper]

Some articles recently:

Tricia Helfer at Canada.com

http://www.goldentales.ca/P1060751_edited-2.jpg



That's a blonde alright. Just not Tricia Helfer.

[Neeper]

It would be nice to see a prequel like "Caprica". I hope they do go ahead and make this show.

[Flashpoint]

If the skinjob Cylons are copies of humans, is there the possibility that the original human version is still alive and walking around out there thinking they are a Cylon?

Food for thought.

[Cowperson]

That's a blonde alright. Just not Tricia Helfer.

It is fixed. . . . .

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/artslife/story.html?id=50086937-1373-4e03-84d2-af368214ac2e&k=65805

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

I think some part of Baltar, or something he developed/discovered is what teh cylons use for their "projection". So, in a sense, they will come to realize that Baltar is their God.
Probably not quite that literally, but it wouldn't surprise me to see one of the 2 sides (Cylons or Baltar) come to this realization. Didn't the 6 in his brain already announced she was an angel?

[Hakan]

Didn't like this episode so much. They're playing with some serious themes in a hokey kind of way. I would have liked a more drawn out virus story and moral dilemma on the ship before they decide on genocide. Instead it was tackled in about 20 minutes which made it seem rushed and hokey.

Also, Baltar's story is becoming less interesting to me as well. That's made up for the fact that Tricia Helfer is a sexy demon.

Also, Helo is corny as hell. I wish that love story turns into something ugly soon otherwise it's just a huge weight on the series. I just hope less screentime is devoted to him. Terribly wooden acting and completely unconvincing. Yuck.

6/10

It really didn't build off the momentum from last episode.

[Wookie]

Tai has had a nice one week break, same with Starbuck, although she made a minor appearance in a fighter.

I thought the whole virus thing was interesting, although yeah they did whip through it pretty quickly. I also would have like to have seen Sharon realize the dilemma Adama went through before they decided to do it. I liked their relationship.

Helo does kind of bore me.

The Baltar Cylon segment bores and interests me at times. Sometimes what they do with it is good other times I think about fast forwarding it.

[Hakan]

I fast forwarded it this week during the whole idiotic torture sequence.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Also, Helo is corny as hell. I wish that love story turns into something ugly soon otherwise it's just a huge weight on the series. I just hope less screentime is devoted to him. Terribly wooden acting and completely unconvincing. Yuck.

you should see his role in the new Need For Speed: Carbon game. makes his BSG acting appear oscar worthy

[Cowperson]

Helo does kind of bore me.



I remember back to season one when Doral, Six and Sharon are standing on a building, waiting for Helo to go either north (safety) or south (peril) . . . . Helo finally turns back to "rescue" Sharon and she remarks to her Cylon friends: "I knew he would. He's a good man. He always does the right thing."

That in turn goes back to the mini-series where we were supposed to see the end of him after he had given up his seat to save Baltar on the last spaceship out of Caprica . . . . standing in a golden glow as he's left behind. Ron Moore, producer of the new Battlestar, said he knew as soon as he saw that sequence that a "hero" was born and that he would try to include him in season one . . . . and that storyline kept growing.

"Doing the right thing" was in character for Helo in the genocide situation as well.

But what is the probability that Adama isn't interested in knowing whether or not his XO or his pet Cylon betrayed him at a decisive moment?

They've got to finish that question off at some point.

Agreed about the Baltar torture sequence . . . . jeez, have Xena whipping him on the back or something.

As to how long it took to decide on genocide . . . . well, 10 billion or more deaths later with the remaining 41,000 being chased across the galaxy to the only place they could probably call home . . . . that might actually be a pretty easy call in their shoes.

The genocide debate, by the way, looks like it is lifted directly out of "Pandora's Star" and the sequel "Judas Unchained," the latter currently on bookshelves, two Sci-Fi books by Peter Hamilton, about 1800 pages of reading and an epic. The protagonists are also faced with a pure way to genocide their pursuers, the latter intent on genocide themselves, and the debate that results.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Judas-Unchained-Peter-F-Hamilton/dp/1405000368

Cowperson

[CaptainCrunch]

I think the president has been unduly influenced by becoming closer to Tom Zerek, last year she never would have made the decision to use biological warfare. She's turning into a bit of a Stalin since she returned to power.

Frankly she would have exposed the tribunal to an investigation and jailed them all when she first became president. I find it interesting that the person that I least expected to lose her humanity is the one thats slipping, while Old Man Adama has managed to hold onto his.

Lee Adama has become a bit of a jerk, I can see the renewal of the conflict with his father because the old man wasn't that urgent in taking it all the way.

I'm hoping that they don't reach earth too soon, I'm also hoping that they don't whip out the flying motorcycles and disco vernacular when they get there.

The torture scene was so poorly done in my mind because after three years of seeing some pretty questionable things on this shoe, they soft shoed the torture scene by cleaning out Baltars ears.

Xena - "Talk Baltar"

Baltar - "I can't hear you"

She jams the device into his ear and there's a whirring sound

Baltar - "Yes, thats better now what do you want to know"

[Hakan]

The whole baltar on the ship story is very poorly done.

They are ruining the mythos of the Cylons. The Cylons just seem like a bunch of jabronis on a cheaply constructed set on a sound stage. Outside of the hybrids, what exactly has this cylon story done to make the series better?

[Wookie]

Hmmm..

Most recent episode was interesting. Not to exciting, but interesting I guess.

What's up with that Cylon and thinking something big is coming?

Hehe, Baltar getting the Cylon Sandwich is pretty cool

Think Bulldog was a one show anomaly?

Is Tai back?

[Bobblehead]

Hmmm..

Most recent episode was interesting. Not to exciting, but interesting I guess.

What's up with that Cylon and thinking something big is coming?

Hehe, Baltar getting the Cylon Sandwich is pretty cool

Think Bulldog was a one show anomaly?

Is Tai back?

Bulldog will be in and out when needed - a Tom Zarek type of character.
Tigh is back - his whole speach to Bulldog was his revelation. Although, if he is the same "blood & guts" Tigh then it will leave me wondering if he really did learn anything. It was interesting that Kara went straight to him.

[MrMastodonFarm]

I'm ignoring everything else in this thread...

I just started the 2nd season, I loved the first. I told Cowperson I would check this out long and and I'm finally getting around to it.. awesome show.

[Shazam]

The whole baltar on the ship story is very poorly done.

They are ruining the mythos of the Cylons. The Cylons just seem like a bunch of jabronis on a cheaply constructed set on a sound stage. Outside of the hybrids, what exactly has this cylon story done to make the series better?:hehehe: It's funny 'cause it's true.

[Flame On]

The whole baltar on the ship story is very poorly done.

They are ruining the mythos of the Cylons. The Cylons just seem like a bunch of jabronis on a cheaply constructed set on a sound stage. Outside of the hybrids, what exactly has this cylon story done to make the series better?
The creative team didn't want a whole cheesy stark star trek esque interior. So they stripped it down and explained it away with the Cylon projecting.
It's not like we've seen much of it either.
The cylons revealing themselves and their motives was/is inevitable anyway.

[Cowperson]

So . . . . Cylons have nightmares?

Obviously they're building a story line with Dana D'Biers having death dreams . . . . not sure where its going though.

And how's Hera doing these days?

I thought it was a good episode and Michael Hogan was terrific again. He plays a burned out reprobate real good. . . . nice, tender moment at the end with him going to Adama to talk. . . . . although, what is the likelihood that an alcoholic Tigh could turn an energized Bulldog into a pretzel in fair fight?

I'm waiting for the next technological advance on Cylon ships to be Lava Lamps . . . . . Seriously though, I didn't have much problem with the overall theme of the Cylon ips but didn't like the lame torture devices at all. That was right out of the first season of Star Trek "Dagger Of The Mind" Picture Baltar writhing as Kirk did.

http://www.homevideos.com/freezes-tv/Trek-daggers18.jpeg

Cowperson

[Flashpoint]

Battlestar will be moving to Sunday nights starting in late January 2007. Not sure if the Canadian broadcaster is going to do the same thing, or if it is even in sync.

Apparently, ratings are down about 25% this season, and Dr Who isn’t a good lead in.

I wonder how much of this is related to the breakup of the Stargate – Battlestar triumvirate, where it was SG1, Atlantas, then BSG. I am not a huge Stargate fan, but I would usually watch (or at least TIVO) all three shows. Now they are paring it with “Dresden” a new crime show I believe.



http://www.mediagab.com/story.asp?id=2251

[MrMastodonFarm]

Just finished season two. What a damn good show, can't beleive it took me this long to get into it.

It seems like Season Three is on episode 8 or so.. but I can't find the torrents for the episode 1-4 of season 3 so I'm not going to go ahead and get those ones yet. Loved the season two cliffhanger.. damn that Baltar is one crafty SOB.

It was neat seeing Al join the cast at the end of season 2, I was half expecting Scott Bakula to Quantum Leap onto Galactica.

[Cowperson]

For the female fans of the show, Jamie Bamber was named number one in People's "Sexiest Men on the Internet" feature and got a two page spread in this week's magazine . . . . . the famous "oops, Xena tricked me into dropping my towel" scene from season two . . . .

http://people.aol.com/people/gallery/0,26335,1559564,00.html

I always thought it strange that the very British Bamber has to talk with an American accent on Galactica while his real-life wife - Doc Cottle's assistant who saved Adama - talks with her normal Brit accent and Lucy Lawless is allowed to retain her New Zealand accent.

EDIT: An Entertainment Weekly interview with Galactica producers:

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1560707_3_0_,00.html

Cowperson

[MarchHare]

I always thought it strange that the very British Bamber has to talk with an American accent on Galactica while his real-life wife - Doc Cottle's assistant who saved Adama - talks with her normal Brit accent and Lucy Lawless is allowed to retain her New Zealand accent.


I don't think the audience would buy Lee as the Admiral's son if one had a British accent and one had an American accent. ;)

I was amazed the first time I heard Bamber speaking with his normal accent, though -- I had no idea he was a Brit! He really pulls off the American accent perfectly.

[Hemi-Cuda]

I don't think the audience would buy Lee as the Admiral's son if one had a British accent and one had an American accent. ;)

I was amazed the first time I heard Bamber speaking with his normal accent, though -- I had no idea he was a Brit! He really pulls off the American accent perfectly.

another one who pulls off accents perfectly is Damian Lewis (Major Winters from Band of Brothers). in the show he has no accent whatsoever, but in the DVD special features his accent is very thick. kind of funny that one of the greatest American WWII heroes is portrayed by a Brit

[MrMastodonFarm]

another one who pulls off accents perfectly is Damian Lewis (Major Winters from Band of Brothers). in the show he has no accent whatsoever, but in the DVD special features his accent is very thick. kind of funny that one of the greatest American WWII heroes is portrayed by a Brit
I was floored when I found out Damien Lewis was British. He has one of the more refined upper crust British accents I've ever heard, and he played Winters with an American accent so well. Similar to Hugh Laurie in House.

[Cowperson]

Funny Battlestar reference on the cover of USA Today Weekend magazine last weekend:

A couple of links borrowed from the Sci-Fi board:

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/2408/usaweekendaa8.jpg

http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/8692/usaweekend2ld4.jpg

And the USA Today link with the relevant story at the bottom of the link:

http://www.usaweekend.com/06_issues/061126/061126regifting.html

Cowperson

[Bobblehead]

I was floored when I found out Damien Lewis was British. He has one of the more refined upper crust British accents I've ever heard, and he played Winters with an American accent so well. Similar to Hugh Laurie in House.

I was shocked as well.

And I've heard interviews where Laurie says sometimes he finds an american accent just brutal to say. Laurie is a very interesting individual.

[Hemi-Cuda]

I was shocked as well.

And I've heard interviews where Laurie says sometimes he finds an american accent just brutal to say. Laurie is a very interesting individual.

so now is it that they have adopt a new accent, or try to drop the existing one they have? Brits always say that Americans are the ones with the accents, yet when they sing they sound just like us. and while there are plenty of British actors who have no problem sounding american, have you ever heard any US actors able to pull of a convincing English accent?

[Bobblehead]

so now is it that they have adopt a new accent, or try to drop the existing one they have? Brits always say that Americans are the ones with the accents, yet when they sing they sound just like us. and while there are plenty of British actors who have no problem sounding american, have you ever heard any US actors able to pull of a convincing English accent?

Well, I probably can't tell the difference. If I lived in Britain for a while I may be able to tell, but as an outsider I'm not sure if I could. If I hear Aussie, Kiwi and british accents side by side I can pick them out, but if some one is just speaking with me I can't (unless they use some sort of distinctive slang or words). I know they are very different but without the comparison I suck identifying them.

[Cowperson]

A fight filled episode this past weekend . . . . and now you know what Starbuck did to Lee Adama. Skank!!!

This preview from TV Guide, lower down the page, spells out the next episode, an "algae planet" that holds the key to finding Earth . . . . . lot of depth in the story so you might not want to read it ahead of the episode. Its the mid-season cliffhanger.

http://screenings.tvguide.com/programs/detail/4

Cowperson

[@theCBE]

I just started watching the show over the last month or so and its awesome. I am finally caught up... looking forward to watching this weekends episode.

On a semi-related note.. Admiral Adama makes a cameo in the latest snoop Dogg video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY7iLyyrq70
Can't for the life of me figure out what he is doing, and the video is not good enough to watch a second time to figure it out.

[CaptainCrunch]

I don't think this last episode was great, but it was one that had to happen from a character development standpoint.

It explains why Lee became the fat guy, and the guilt that old man Adama was feeling.

I wasn't all of that Anamored with StarBucks character, she's either spoiled or stupid and I can't decide which one.

I don know that the old man missed a chance to score political points twice in that episode. Once when Roslin was hitting on him in the field, and when she tried to give him boxing advice and he bluntly refused it.

Overall, a pretty dull episode that underlines why people in the Military shouldn't dip thier pen in the regimental ink.

The fights didn't blow off steam, they created more.

[Cowperson]

I wasn't all of that Anamored with StarBucks character, she's either spoiled or stupid and I can't decide which one.



In season one, we found out she was abused by her mother as a kid . . . .

I find her fairly irritating most of the time but the back-story established in that first season, plus the guilt she carries for the death of Zac Adama, does, I think, realistically creates a tortured soul pushing others away.

Interestingly, you might remember the whale of a fight she and SIX had on Caprica at the end of Season One . . . . . both actresses, in real life, had fight training prior to the episode and made it deliberately contrasting, Kara in more straight-forward boxing and SIX more in the martial arts area.

Cowperson